2015 Draft Discussion

[Requiem]

There might be hope:

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-09-07/kreuzer-a-required-player

 

[BigCat2]

There might be hope:

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-09-07/kreuzer-a-required-player

Whenever I see these sort of articles I wonder if it's the club (in this case Carlton) gesturing about the worth of a potentially outgoing player, citing his worth to their club. Then if the player walks they can say "we did all we could to hang on to him".

Not going to believe until he signs.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Yeah, Melbourne were saying the same thing about Frawley, but I'm certain they were licking their lips at the idea of pick 3.

Theatre.

 

[Panthera]

There might be hope:

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-09-07/kreuzer-a-required-player

 

[Kernel Kurtz]

Just listening to that idiot Mark Fine, congratulating Carlton on nabbing pick 1 and likely pick 2. Given we just did ourselves out of pick 1 (and likely pick 2... assuming Carlton get pick 2 for Kreuzer), it makes me feel sick that Brisbane give up so much by winning the last game of the season. I'm not at all suggesting we should have tanked it... more that rewarding losing with the best picks in the draft is flawed.

i'd be in favor of the bottom 4-6 clubs going into a lottery for the first 4-6 picks. Alternately, the compensation for FA needs to change. I would be putting and band-1 compensation after pick 10. the first 10 picks (for clubs who missed the top-8) shouldn't be altered.

So carltank get pick 1 and possibly our pick 2 as a possible compo pick for Cruiser and we get compensated for Leuy and possible other players leaving, that might give us a pick 4 compo pick ( not f...g likely) as well as the downgraded pick 3.
Gee that sounds pretty sound to me, what a f...n joke.
pretty sure if we were the Gold Coast we would be screaming blue murder ,they finished with 4 wins as well.
So instead of pick 3 they could be receiving pick 5.
Compo picks starting after pick 10 sounds about right, sliding down depending on the severity of the departures .
.

 

[carnthemlions]

Yeah, Melbourne were saying the same thing about Frawley, but I'm certain they were licking their lips at the idea of pick 3.

Theatre.

That's true, but then they had been playing him at CHF all season for no practical reason.

 

[Kernel Kurtz]

So carltank get pick 1 and possibly our pick 2 as a possible compo pick for Cruiser and we get compensated for Leuy and possible other players leaving, that might give us a pick 4 compo pick ( not f...g likely) as well as the downgraded pick 3.
Gee that sounds pretty sound to me, what a f...n joke.
pretty sure if we were the Gold Coast we would be screaming blue murder ,they finished with 4 wins as well.
So instead of pick 3 they could be receiving pick 5.
Compo picks starting after pick 10 sounds about right, sliding down depending on the severity of the departures .
.

Still glad we won, none the less.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

AFL can neutralise this by giving Carlton an end of first rounder. Have they got the balls?

 

[SizeMatters]

With reports that Kreuzer is only being offer 500k a year then I think the AFL can't give them pick 2. Frawley was on more than that and look at the backlash that created.

 

[Bucking Beads]

Just remember guys whoever we take with our first pick is going to be an elite player and we will also be bringing in Keays and Hipwood. Hipwood is a tall that is being rated in the top 15 by a lot of good judges which is super promising.

 

[cheekyLionsFan]

where would a PP be if we got one.. after our first pick?

 

[blueiris]

where would a PP be if we got one.. after our first pick?

Before the first round

 

[dlanod]

where would a PP be if we got one.. after our first pick?

Most likely at the end of the first round.

 

[cheekyLionsFan]

lol then give us a end of second round for luey and a PP

 

[If it bleeds]

A not so obvious is that the monster TV rights deal starting 2017 is the payment increase to all players. Not privy to what % will increase but say 10-15%.( for arguments sake)

Taking that into account- kruzers deal say over 4 years (3 of those years fall into the newly inflated wage bracket). Making what he is signing this year (2016) the only standard "candle".
The other 3 yrs are effected by the inflationary wage bracket.( making his wage 10-15% less in theory )

Hence Frawley rule: estimated 550-600k 4year.
As of 2017 the equation would be 550-600k add 10-15% making the new benchmark $625-690k with 4yrs as new afl's bench mark. ( if they use the same theory- which we all know is not the case)

If 3qtrs of his deal is tainted then the resulting compo pick must also be.

I'm not claiming to know any figures are correct, just using this as a topic of discussion (maybe to help our cause. )

More than happy to hear different views. Cheers

 

[LionKing]

We have options though. We can trade Aish + pick 3 to Carlton for Bell and pick 2. Not a big deal. The reason why Schache will be a gun is because he's an elite set shot at goal, good overhead, good endurance and Kevin "shifter" Sheenan said that he hasn't seen a key forward dominate the championships, in all he's time as a AFL talent manger (He stated it in the highlight video on youtube) as Schache has.

Hmmm so Carlton get rid of a player that cannot hit a target by foot for a top liner like Aish (and also draft Weitering with pick 1)

Carlton would feel like they just won the lottery

Pass

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

I have no inside information but I'd be surprised if the Club saw the choice between Schache and Weitering in quite such emphatic terms as some here are suggesting. Indications are that they were very impressed with Weitering when he spent some time up there recently and that they view him as a ready made AFL player. They could well see him as a Merrett replacement and somebody we can build our next premiership defence around. More so than any of the young defenders currently on our list.

 

[rusty08]

I have no inside information but I'd be surprised of the Club saw the choice between Schache and Weitering in quite such emphatic terms as some here are suggesting. Indications are that they were very impressed with Weitering when he spent some time up there recently and that they view him as a ready made AFL player. They could well see him as a Merrett replacement and somebody we can build our next premiership defence around. More so than any of the young defenders currently on our list.

Carlton will essentially decide our pick between the two anyway. Unless we really rate Francis? What will be interesting if we do, is if Carlton do take shache at 1, is it a given we take weitering ?

 

[blynd_freddie]

We have options though. We can trade Aish + pick 3 to Carlton for Bell and pick 2. Not a big deal. The reason why Schache will be a gun is because he's an elite set shot at goal, good overhead, good endurance and Kevin "shifter" Sheenan said that he hasn't seen a key forward dominate the championships, in all he's time as a AFL talent manger (He stated it in the highlight video on youtube) as Schache has.

Isn't that what Freeman is already?

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

Carlton will essentially decide our pick between the two anyway. Unless we really rate Francis? What will be interesting if we do, is if Carlton do take shache at 1, is it a given we take weitering ?

True. I was talking more in terms of the widely held view that we would certainly have taken Schache if we had pick 1.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

Isn't that what Freeman is already?

And it's interesting that Schache has been generally less impressive at the TAC Cup level when the delivery to him has been not quite so good.

 

[Panthera]

AFL can neutralise this by giving Carlton an end of first rounder. Have they got the balls?

1000/1 that they do this.

A bit would have to do with the club he ends up at. For example, if he heads off to Fremantle instead of Collingwood; the Pies (Eddie) could hark up and demand that any compo shouldn't impact on his club etc. in terms of both the draft and any attempt to land Treloar.

A bit to play out, but I'd be expecting for us to have our first pick in the draft at #3.

 

[PattyKwasagun]

1000/1 that they do this.

A bit would have to do with the club he ends up at. For example, if he heads off to Fremantle instead of Collingwood; the Pies (Eddie) could hark up and demand that any compo shouldn't impact on his club etc. in terms of both the draft and any attempt to land Treloar.

A bit to play out, but I'd be expecting for us to have our first pick in the draft at #3.

I wouldn't be expecting that at all. I think there's probably an 80% chance they don't get pick 2 if Krezuer leaves - it's just that 20% that is worrying. The odds are definitely in favour of them not getting it, though.

 

[Schache It Off]

If we hang onto pick 2, I'll be able to watch the Dogs game without feeling confused.

 

[jackess]

It might be me being a bit pessimistic but I reckon Carlton will get band 1 for Kreuzer and we'll get band 2 for Leuey. Our second round and later pick will be pushed right back as well thanks to free agency which will hurt us for academy bidding.

I'm pretty happy with Francis anyway.