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Was originally set on Curnow but would be absolutely stoked if Franchise made it through to our first pick. Perfect replacement for Malceski, and a back line group of May, Saad, Thompson, Schade, Kolo, Francis sounds very strong. Would Stephen Tahana come into our thinking at #29 as that second small defender. Highly rated for his ability to play a lockdown role. Darcy Tucker is another who looks super classy and could be a great get at 16. That kid looks so composed under pressure from what I've seen. Got a bit of Dal Santo about him.
 
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Bit Harsh. No, a lot harsh! Harbrow is great at getting out of tight situations, his side step and "running around in circles" as you put it allow him the time to get us moving forward. His disposal by foot can be interesting, there is no doubt but I saw signs he was becoming a little more conservative last year trying to hook up outside runners by hand rather than hitting leading fwds lace out from 55 metres away. I think if Harbrow can play to his strengths he can be best 22 for us. Like most of our guys, if he can get some continuity with his fitness he can be very damaging for us.
Harbrow is a little underrated with his toughness, he is a determined son of a bitch with humble ways that provide great leadership for this club. I think some posters need to take it easy on Harbrow.
A bench spot might be the go for him due to his flexibililty.
 

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No way Kade is put on a wing again. He was trialed there in the first few weeks this year and was so bad he was nearly dropped! Rocket later admitted that this was his mistake because he looks like the perfect winger, but he just hasn't got the nous to play there. He is borderline AA at half-back. Leave him there.

Remember with Harbrow back and ideally not injured, he'll be back and hitting targets again. I suspect he will play on a wing at times too. Not to mention Rosa, Shaw and Matera.
One thing i like about rocket is he'll admit to mistakes , all coaches make them , at least he is transparent in what he is trying to acheive . I agree with you Sunny , KK should turn out to be one of the elite HBF in the game , and with the recruiting of Rosa that is we he will stay.
 

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Bit Harsh. No, a lot harsh! Harbrow is great at getting out of tight situations, his side step and "running around in circles" as you put it allow him the time to get us moving forward. His disposal by foot can be interesting, there is no doubt but I saw signs he was becoming a little more conservative last year trying to hook up outside runners by hand rather than hitting leading fwds lace out from 55 metres away. I think if Harbrow can play to his strengths he can be best 22 for us. Like most of our guys, if he can get some continuity with his fitness he can be very damaging for us.
Harbrow is a little underrated with his toughness, he is a determined son of a bitch with humble ways that provide great leadership for this club. I think some posters need to take it easy on Harbrow.
A bench spot might be the go for him due to his flexibililty.
Harbrow is definitely best 22 for us. His disposal might have been down this year but he's not Robinson Crusoe there. Can't believe people think a fit Harbs is not best 22 for us.
 

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Cheers Ben, that was a great read... they talk about the new bidding system and how Carlton may bid for Mills no. 1 as they know the Swans have to take him otherwise there draft is cactus.. they along with gws and brissy have already declared their hands by stockpiling late picks... it made me think that if they do select Mills and Sydney dont match.. brissy take Schach.. we will miss out on Weitering because we traded down.. that would be devastating
Won't happen... you can build a team around Weitering more than you can Mills and you don't piss off Sydney just for the sake of making them using extra picks later in a shallow draft or next year and potentially put getting Weitering at risk.
 

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Harbrow is definitely best 22 for us. His disposal might have been down this year but he's not Robinson Crusoe there. Can't believe people think a fit Harbs is not best 22 for us.
Not Robinson Crusoe but he is the worst kick in the team, at least a couple of times a game he will kick the ball like a 80 year old woman hits a golf ball of the tee. They need to find a spot where his kicking doesn't hurt the team and can use his allusiveness, maybe a forward pocket/high half forward
 

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I like Harbrow as a leader, his great for the younger generation especially the indigenous boys.
But when your 27 and you can't kick.
Alistair Clarkson would of Sin binned him years ago.
At least every game there's 2 instances where we are out, looks a certain goal ahead..
Only for Harbrow to dribble it straight to a opposition player in front of him. While all our team have pushed forward

Only to see the ball rebound straight down to poor Mays Man lace out who kicks a easy goal.

I rate Harbrow Fringe.
His lucky we don't have many small back pocket like players BUT
If Lemmens gets fit and fixes his kicking In 2016 Harbrow will be in trouble.
 

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I like Harbrow as a leader, his great for the younger generation especially the indigenous boys.
But when your 27 and you can't kick.
Alistair Clarkson would of Sin binned him years ago.
At least every game there's 2 instances where we are out, looks a certain goal ahead..
Only for Harbrow to dribble it straight to a opposition player in front of him. While all our team have pushed forward

Only to see the ball rebound straight down to poor Mays Man lace out who kicks a easy goal.

I rate Harbrow Fringe.
His lucky we don't have many small back pocket like players BUT
If Lemmens gets fit and fixes his kicking In 2016 Harbrow will be in trouble.
This would be a good point if it were true. This happens occasionally there is no way that happens twice a game, every game Come on Ben anyone can exaggerate to make their point better, you're better than that.
 

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Won't happen... you can build a team around Weitering more than you can Mills and you don't piss off Sydney just for the sake of making them using extra picks later in a shallow draft or next year and potentially put getting Weitering at risk.
I agree won't happen, just thought it was interesting. As for not pissing off Sydney, why is that an issue? If you make Sydney give up more for him than that means you might get a pick your team needs later in the draft. We're not playing tiddlywinks here, you do what is best for your club and Sydney would know and respect that, especially with their blood's culture of no excuses.
Do you reckon that Carlton are thinking that Sydney deserve to get a 25% discount on the best midfielder in the draft? Let's make them pay exactly what he is worth.
 

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I think Harbrow got exposed a bit last season due to all the midfield talent we had on the sidelines, meaning we relied on him more to link up defence and attack early in the year. With GAJ and Omeara back + Rosa + Touk and Garlett with a full pre-season means he will be able to go back to weaving in and out of packs and giving it off to our better users. His evasiveness and agility still give us something we don't really have besides GAJ, so I think he still is best 22.

And I just saw that this was the draft thread. So how about those draft picks, eh. Francis FTW at 6 :)
 

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Not Robinson Crusoe but he is the worst kick in the team, at least a couple of times a game he will kick the ball like a 80 year old woman hits a golf ball of the tee. They need to find a spot where his kicking doesn't hurt the team and can use his allusiveness, maybe a forward pocket/high half forward
Nah sorry Seb Tape is THE worst kick in the team. Harbs just goes for kicks beyond his limits too much. If he sticks to short passes under 30m he's actually alright. I'm not convinced Seb can even kick it that far. Do agree I like Harbs further up the field rather than down back. He's not a big guy and too many of his tackles in defense fail to stick.
 

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Nah sorry Seb Tape is THE worst kick in the team. Harbs just goes for kicks beyond his limits too much. If he sticks to short passes under 30m he's actually alright. I'm not convinced Seb can even kick it that far. Do agree I like Harbs further up the field rather than down back. He's not a big guy and too many of his tackles in defense fail to stick.
I totally agree with you that he need to go for short passes. I think his evasive skills are better suited to the back line though. He just doesn't seem to be as zippy as he used to be. Maybe due to injury? Harbrow and Saad breaking through lines together would be a headache for most teams.
 

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I totally agree with you that he need to go for short passes. I think his evasive skills are better suited to the back line though. He just doesn't seem to be as zippy as he used to be. Maybe due to injury? Harbrow and Saad breaking through lines together would be a headache for most teams.
If we end up with Francis don't think there will be room for Harbrow in the backline, especially as we already have Saad to play on the forward pockets and KK and Mal to take the mid size players.
 

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If we end up with Francis don't think there will be room for Harbrow in the backline, especially as we already have Saad to play on the forward pockets and KK and Mal to take the mid size players.
I reckon this is where we have the opportunity to fill a hole that will appear soon with the impending retirement of Malceski by recruiting a Bonner, Tucker or Tahana this year.
 

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If we end up with Francis don't think there will be room for Harbrow in the backline, especially as we already have Saad to play on the forward pockets and KK and Mal to take the mid size players.
From what I know Francis isn't that quick nor are Mal, May, and Thompson. KK is above average. The way teams set up defensively these days I believe running it out of defense is more effective than trying to hit a target. Saad proved this on multiple occasions, Shaw used to do it but seems to have lost the confidence.

I think we need one more quick player so they can run in waves and linkup with handballs giving the forwards to time to get free and then hit the target. Besides we can have 7 defenders if you include one on the bench.
 

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From what I know Francis isn't that quick nor are Mal, May, and Thompson. KK is above average. The way teams set up defensively these days I believe running it out of defense is more effective than trying to hit a target. Saad proved this on multiple occasions, Shaw used to do it but seems to have lost the confidence.

I think we need one more quick player so they can run in waves and linkup with handballs giving the forwards to time to get free and then hit the target. Besides we can have 7 defenders if you include one on the bench.
From what I have heard, May is one of the quickest at the club.
 
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From what I know Francis isn't that quick nor are Mal, May, and Thompson.
May is extremely quick. Not necessarily over a long distance, but he's like a spring - he'll dash off really quickly over a short distance. That's what makes him so dangerous as a defender.

He can read the ball coming towards his man and he'll power over there with ease. He's no Sexton or Saad though, in terms of his field running.
 

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I think a bit of perspective is needed on poor Harbs here! He offers something we have very little of IMO. You can tell in the way he plays. People need to remember that he was playing under extreme physical duress in 2015 and ideally, wouldn't have played for a lot of the season had it not been for our injuries.

But he bravely kept sticking up his hand despite being a shadow of the player he can be, just to get out there and obviously at the same time, killed any reputation he had. At the end of the season he had multiple surgeries. Hip, shoulder and ankle all off the top of my head, but I think there was another one. I don't care who you are, if your body is in that state, you aren't going to hit your targets when kicking. Not when you're in that much pain.

Harbrow's 2014 was fantastic and he was consistently amoung our best. With a full contingent back and returning to full health will hopefully bring that form back.
 
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He has good closing speed but how many times have you seen him make sustained runs?
His role doesn't really require sustained runs though. His closing speed is what makes him such a good player. He's a master of the fist, but in 2015 he began to improve his intercept marking, meaning he's never really in the position to require a run from FB to midfield.

It'll either be a spoil, a mark, or a quick handball.

Man, talking about Maysie is getting me excited. #17 on my 2016 jumper incoming!
 

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From what I know Francis isn't that quick nor are Mal, May, and Thompson. KK is above average. The way teams set up defensively these days I believe running it out of defense is more effective than trying to hit a target. Saad proved this on multiple occasions, Shaw used to do it but seems to have lost the confidence.

I think we need one more quick player so they can run in waves and linkup with handballs giving the forwards to time to get free and then hit the target. Besides we can have 7 defenders if you include one on the bench.
I don't recall too many sides in the league having multiple backline players with electric pace. look at the Hawks - Lake, Frawley, Suckling, Stratton, Gibson, Birchall - Frawley and Birchall have a bit of toe but nothing exceptional. It is all about working well as a cohesive unit, zoning off, taking intercept marks, hitting targets and running hard (not so much fast) to provide options.

I don't think there are many teams that have a Saad coming out of the backline who will take on 2 players run 30m and then hit blokes 50m away and set up coast to coast goals out of the backline. He is a massive point of difference for our backline in the AFL.
 

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His role doesn't really require sustained runs though. His closing speed is what makes him such a good player. He's a master of the fist, but in 2015 he began to improve his intercept marking, meaning he's never really in the position to require a run from FB to midfield.

It'll either be a spoil, a mark, or a quick handball.

Man, talking about Maysie is getting me excited. #17 on my 2016 jumper incoming!
I totally agree with that and that was original point about Harbrow and running it out of defense.

I don't recall too many sides in the league having multiple backline players with electric pace. look at the Hawks - Lake, Frawley, Suckling, Stratton, Gibson, Birchall - Frawley and Birchall have a bit of toe but nothing exceptional. It is all about working well as a cohesive unit, zoning off, taking intercept marks, hitting targets and running hard (not so much fast) to provide options.

I don't think there are many teams that have a Saad coming out of the backline who will take on 2 players run 30m and then hit blokes 50m away and set up coast to coast goals out of the backline. He is a massive point of difference for our backline in the AFL.
I get your point about the Hawks but they hit targets like no other team can.

Absolutely agree about Saad... He causes so much damage when he does that. Imaging having to 2 blokes that can navigate congestion and create space like we know Harbrow can do. My memories of us looking dangerous in games were with quick play, running and linking up with handballs out of defense. I think Harbrow is someone who can provide that.
 
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