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Because he's a talented tap ruckman who holds his own against the better ruckman in the AFL and he has beaten Goldy and Sandilands this year and both are in line for All Australian this year
When did he beat Goldstein this year? Todd was BOG in round two and at the very least broke even at the Gabba despite rucking against Leuenberger and Martin.
 

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When did he beat Goldstein this year? Todd was BOG in round two and at the very least broke even at the Gabba despite rucking against Leuenberger and Martin.
Martin didn't ruck against Goldy he played forward and midfield Leuenberger did most of the ruck work against Goldstein at the Gabba
 

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Because he's a talented tap ruckman who holds his own against the better ruckman in the AFL and he has beaten Goldy and Sandilands this year and both are in line for All Australian this year
Averages 23 hit outs , 12 disposals , 3 marks , 0.2 goals a game , 2.2 tackles

That's pretty average for a ruckman.

To compare to lobbe who I call a decent ruck but not a great ruck ...

28 hit outs , 10 disposals , 2.3 marks , 0.2 goals a game , 5 tackles

To start with he is behind lobbe.

Then to figure in luenburger can't stay on the park. Last 4 years have returned 14,5,20 and 3 games.


Lions fans really need to accept that teams are not going to outlay a big amount of money for luenburger..

Why would they? Do you think they need to outbid Brisbane ? He either wants to play first ruck or he doesn't? Sure bris could match , but do you think a team pays luenburger an extra $150,000 to satisfy Brisbane?

Yeah , Brisbane supporters have m entitled lue burgers last contract was $350,000. Why would a team give him a pay rise of $150,000 when he hasn't been able to stay on the park since signing that contract and hasn't been the first ruck? ....
 

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If a Lueunberger deal is for $500k, and the Swans don't get their trade ban changed, can Brisbane pay $150k of his wage to get around the $350k maximum issue?

Given it's a FA deal, the AFL may knock it on the head. But they could allow it under the guise that the Swans haven't spent more then $350k and subsequently hand Brisbane a band 2 or 3 FA compo rather than hand out the priority pick. Band 2 compo to Brisbane will be pick 20, band 3 pick 21. Either way Brisbane would have picks 20 & 21. AFL hands out band 3 compo to make it look like they aren't giving handouts.
 
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If a Lueunberger deal is for $500k, and the Swans don't get their trade ban changed, can Brisbane pay $150k of his wage to get around the $350k maximum issue?

Given it's a FA deal, the AFL may knock it on the head. But they could allow it under the guise that the Swans haven't spent. Ore then $350k and subsequently hand Brisbane a band 2 or 3 FA compo rather than hand out the priority pick. Band 2 compo to Brisbane will be pick 20, band 3 pick 21. Either way Brisbane would have picks 20 & 21. AFL hands out band 3 compo to make it look like they aren't giving handouts.
There's no real info, given there's no real info on the Swans' trade ban because the AFL basically made it up last year. There's no provision in the AFL rules or the CBA for it.
 

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^ the afl wouldn't abet getting around a rule they put on the swans. Might as well just announce they are lifting the trade restrictions - save more face.


Philthy05 - agree with you in a way, leuenberger has been outmanoeuvred by martin at our club so can't be considered a first tier ruckman. His stats this year are not really a ruckmans stats but a shit forward playing second ruck, has effectively played the Leigh brown role for us just with no I,pact inside forward 50.

On the other hand. Clubs get players based on the value of the player to them. If the bulldogs think leuenbergers best ruck performance (include efforts against sandi and goldy this year) might lift them up into the top 4 then they might be prepared to take a $500,000 risk on that. They have already bet the house on Boyd (and paying griffin $500k not to play for them this year) so why not double down? Other clubs equally looking for rucks might take the plunge. Unfortunately afl player contracts are not normalised for performance so leueie could be the highest paid ruckman despite his issues because he is available to shift teams this year at no trade cost to the receiving club.
 

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If a Lueunberger deal is for $500k, and the Swans don't get their trade ban changed, can Brisbane pay $150k of his wage to get around the $350k maximum issue?

Given it's a FA deal, the AFL may knock it on the head. But they could allow it under the guise that the Swans haven't spent. Ore then $350k and subsequently hand Brisbane a band 2 or 3 FA compo rather than hand out the priority pick. Band 2 compo to Brisbane will be pick 20, band 3 pick 21. Either way Brisbane would have picks 20 & 21. AFL hands out band 3 compo to make it look like they aren't giving handouts.

There is no way the afl would allow that...


Otherwise any team losing a free agent could just pay x amount of dollars on top of whatever their departing player is getting paid to bump them up to a higher pick.
 

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There is no way the afl would allow that...


Otherwise any team losing a free agent could just pay x amount of dollars on top of whatever their departing player is getting paid to bump them up to a higher pick.
Agreed. It would have to be based on what the receiving club is paying, not the contribution from the club said player is departing.

Fwiw i hope we do get Luenberger, but not for $500k. $400k sounds about right.
 

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- agree with you in a way, leuenberger has been outmanoeuvred by martin at our club so can't be considered a first tier ruckman. His stats this year are not really a ruckmans stats but a shit forward playing second ruck, has effectively played the Leigh brown role for us just with no I,pact inside forward 50.

On the other hand. Clubs get players based on the value of the player to them. If the bulldogs think leuenbergers best ruck performance (include efforts against sandi and goldy this year) might lift them up into the top 4 then they might be prepared to take a $500,000 risk .
Because why would a team have to pay luenburger $500,000 to lure him?

If he is on $350,000 now why wouldn't $380,000 , especially considering his form lately , be enough to lure him . In fact the promise of playing first ruck is probably the carrot. Not sure someone needs to give a guy who signed a contract and since hasn't been first choice ruck and has been injury prone and not in great form a pay rise of 50%!
 

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Because why would a team have to pay luenburger $500,000 to lure him?

If he is on $350,000 now why wouldn't $380,000 , especially considering his form lately , be enough to lure him . In fact the promise of playing first ruck is probably the carrot. Not sure someone needs to give a guy who signed a contract and since hasn't been first choice ruck and has been injury prone and not in great form a pay rise of 50%!
Alright bud we get it. You dont rate luenburger.
 

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Alright bud we get it. You dont rate luenburger.
It's not about that. I rate him as ok if he can get a consistent run at it.

But I am seeing a tonne of brissie supporters constantly posting about how burger could get $500,000 and get them a band one compo pick ...
 

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It's not about that. I rate him as ok if he can get a consistent run at it.

But I am seeing a tonne of brissie supporters constantly posting about how burger could get $500,000 and get them a band one compo pick ...
I beleive his last contract was close to that. Not that his stocks have gone up much if at all.

I think most brissie fans arent off the mark. If a teams needs are based on him and he is willing to go for the highest dollar then 500k isnt impossible.

But yes it is highly unlikely as his form and injuries hurt that.
 

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Martin didn't ruck against Goldy he played forward and midfield Leuenberger did most of the ruck work against Goldstein at the Gabba
Leuenberger had 33 hitouts, Martin had 23 in the match at the Gabba. Stop kidding yourself. They both rucked, Leuenberger did not "beat" Goldstein on either occasion.
 

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Because why would a team have to pay luenburger $500,000 to lure him?

If he is on $350,000 now why wouldn't $380,000 , especially considering his form lately , be enough to lure him . In fact the promise of playing first ruck is probably the carrot. Not sure someone needs to give a guy who signed a contract and since hasn't been first choice ruck and has been injury prone and not in great form a pay rise of 50%!
He's on over $600,000 a year now.
 
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Nankervis is still rated highly at the Swans, still needs a couple of years before becoming a regular. Why not go for Minson? Get a year or two out of him under the $350k mark, means Tippett can still play forward with a bit of ruck time and you get a good tap ruckman
 
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