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If Macrae didn't have runs on the board, and was in and out of our team, I'd say yes, that does lessen his value. Look at Lin Jong. I accept one's a rookie upgrade and the other's a top 10 pick, but perception is everything and whilst Jong has shown he can be a serviceable contributor at AFL player, he's never going to command a great pick. Aish is in exactly the same boat other than the fact he's a top 10 pick which gives him more opportunity. Unless he can come in for the rest of the season, and command a position I think he deserves, you could quite easily be bent over at the trade table again.

I accept in most circumstances that bettering a player if he is going to another club is ludicrous, however not playing him and getting a pick 10 positions below where he should go because you decide cracking the shits is a better solution, is equally ludicrous.

Aish was 4th in the rising star last year, Macrae wasn't..not sure how he has more runs on the board than Aish...but hey again youre a dogs supporter and Im a Lions supporter we're going to rate our players higher
 

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Aish was 4th in the rising star last year, Macrae wasn't..not sure how he has more runs on the board than Aish...but hey again youre a dogs supporter and Im a Lions supporter we're going to rate our players higher
Maybe because Macrae wasn't eligible.
 
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He wasn't in round 2. Yet you still dropped him after 2 'average' game. He's young and it is hard to be consistent every week especially with the axe hanging over his head.
he was dropped in round 3, wasnt sticking to team structures, looked fairly laconic, he had a couple of games where he had less than 10 possessions, he can be SA football royalty but f you put in performanes like that you wont make it at any club
 

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Aish was 4th in the rising star last year, Macrae wasn't..not sure how he has more runs on the board than Aish...but hey again youre a dogs supporter and Im a Lions supporter we're going to rate our players higher
Lol Macrae was up there almost leading the comp in possessions whilst Aish was losing the rising star.
 

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If Macrae didn't have runs on the board, and was in and out of our team, I'd say yes, that does lessen his value. Look at Lin Jong. I accept one's a rookie upgrade and the other's a top 10 pick, but perception is everything and whilst Jong has shown he can be a serviceable contributor at AFL player, he's never going to command a great pick. Aish is in exactly the same boat other than the fact he's a top 10 pick which gives him more opportunity. Unless he can come in for the rest of the season, and command a position I think he deserves, you could quite easily be bent over at the trade table again.

I accept in most circumstances that bettering a player if he is going to another club is ludicrous, however not playing him and getting a pick 10 positions below where he should go because you decide cracking the shits is a better solution, is equally ludicrous.
Fair comments, but I'd say playing every game bar one and getting 4th in the rising star is good runs on the board for his first year of footy. Clearly not as many as Macrae has after last year, although I'm not trying to compare the two, as some have, as Macrae is far and away the better player at this stage (you've got a gun there). I just threw his name up as a Dogs example of a young player that got dropped.

I fully expect to get a bit short changed if he leaves this year, but only because that's what happens when players request trades, not because we've mismanaged him. I find it frustrating that people claim it's Brisbane's fault for getting short changed because they didn't play him, when that's (getting dropped) is a pretty normal part of a young players development.
 
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Wait where did the McStay talk come from? He is a 19 year old tall forward getting the best defender each week averaging 1.4 goals and 1.4 contested marks a week in a side that doesn't get many decent inside fifties. He'll be far better off if we get someone like Dixon for next year to help him out.
 
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Wait where did the McStay talk come from? He is a 19 year old tall forward getting the best defender each week averaging 1.4 goals and 1.4 contested marks a week in a side that doesn't get many decent inside fifties. He'll be far better off if we get someone like Dixon for next year to help him out.
Probably because he's Boyd's BFF and we know what happened to him.....for interests sake has McStay extended his contract?
 

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Probably because he's Boyd's BFF and we know what happened to him.....for interests sake has McStay extended his contract?
You probably should add in the Boyd had already told the Giants he would come home when they drafted him and that he had told Billings during the year last year that he wanted to go to the Saints- but that's for another time.

McStay single handedly won them the game vs Carlton, won't go anywhere.
 
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You probably should add in the Boyd had already told the Giants he would come home when they drafted him and that he had told Billings during the year last year that he wanted to go to the Saints- but that's for another time.

McStay single handedly won them the game vs Carlton, won't go anywhere.
I read the same thing re Billings...Probably on here. But also heard StK put a big contract in front of Boyd in the 700k a year vicinity and they were confident in getting him once his contract expired....then Dogs came over the top.

McStay looks like a very good prospect. Maybe not the playing you build a forward line around but he will be a major component of their forward line moving forward.
 
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I read the same thing re Billings...Probably on here. But also heard StK put a big contract in front of Boyd in the 700k a year vicinity and they were confident in getting him once his contract expired....then Dogs came over the top.

McStay looks like a very good prospect. Maybe not the playing you build a forward line around but he will be a major component of their forward line moving forward.
to your knowledge was that due to dogs providing more money or he noted a better future, interesting to note he was always planning on returning
 
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to your knowledge was that due to dogs providing more money or he noted a better future, interesting to note he was always planning on returning
Honestly don't know for sure mate. Obviously he always planned on returning to Melbs, possibly the promise from his manager to get him home sooner and on massive coin played a part. Possibly he had no real intentions of ever going to StK and used them to up his price. Can't blame the kid, the money he is on is insane.
 

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I read the same thing re Billings...Probably on here. But also heard StK put a big contract in front of Boyd in the 700k a year vicinity and they were confident in getting him once his contract expired....then Dogs came over the top.

McStay looks like a very good prospect. Maybe not the playing you build a forward line around but he will be a major component of their forward line moving forward.
Probably why the dogs felt they had to offer Boyd that contract, Had to strike when the opportunity was there, we were far from a destination club during trade week, money was probably the only real way to make it happen.
 

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I read the same thing re Billings...Probably on here. But also heard StK put a big contract in front of Boyd in the 700k a year vicinity and they were confident in getting him once his contract expired....then Dogs came over the top.

McStay looks like a very good prospect. Maybe not the playing you build a forward line around but he will be a major component of their forward line moving forward.
Nah......Boyd was heading to Carlton in 2016, until Pickering seized on the opportunity to unite family.

Guess he may not have trusted what we put forward.............may possibly have had a reason to feel that way also.
 
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I'm sure Pickering canvassed all Vic clubs and took the best deal back to Boyd. No other Vic club had the money in their cap or wished to invest that amount of money on Boyd except the Dogs is my guess. The Griffen situation also a factor. Opportunity to make a transition happen while Boyd was stuck in a contract.
 
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