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Then there's Bigfooty's teach. He'd undoubtedly be copping from Penal and Co.

Can't wait for Hawks to slide just for this reason alone.
I think you might be waiting a while.

While our trade period will see the loss of Lonergan, Varcoe, Christensen, and potentially Hunt, theirs has seen the procurement of a prime-aged key back and a former number 2 draft pick who will likely grow into another gun player. If they can find replacements and kids to fill holes like that regularly, which they've shown a tendency to do, they won't be sliding soon.
 

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I think you might be waiting a while.

While our trade period will see the loss of Lonergan, Varcoe, Christensen, and potentially Hunt, theirs has seen the procurement of a prime-aged key back and a former number 2 draft pick who will likely grow into another gun player. If they can find replacements and kids to fill holes like that regularly, which they've shown a tendency to do, they won't be sliding soon.
depressing isnt it
besides the varcoe part

hunt lose of form was a mystery too many. perhaps mentally he never recovered from his injury
 

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I'm with you.

What if we got the other Jazz from GC? T.H tags, Guthrie replaces Bundy, Jazz plays half back/mid.
I don't reckon they'd give him up after 1 year. I think we'd be better off targeting someone outside their best 22 but still is half decent, like Jesse Lonergan. I'd be happy with their 15 + Lonergan, whether they see that as fair is a different matter as Bundy is OOC. Obviously we'd all prefer to keep Bundy over most trades. I just hope we don't get reemed, ala Brisbane's pick 22 or whatever. That would be a disaster.
 

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Well the assumption is that Port are already willing to give 17.
So if the club and player (essendon, lucas) agree to void the contract then the AFL will give them a compo pick.
Believed to be round one. Which is 21 for Essendon.

And Port will still trade 17 for steak knives as a goodwill of gesture. (they can't trade it for thin air)
The Age are reporting that the AFL require the a "commercial" trade for pick 17.
I read that as requiring something approaching market value


The AFL has indicated, however, that this secondary deal must be "commercial" - and in line with the value of that draft first round pick. The value of pick 17, though, is a subjective judgment and it would be possible for Essendon to receive Port's first pick for a player that Essendon is happy to lose.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...t-adelaide-20141008-1137n5.html#ixzz3FZ2Crgaj
 

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I think you might be waiting a while.

While our trade period will see the loss of Lonergan, Varcoe, Christensen, and potentially Hunt, theirs has seen the procurement of a prime-aged key back and a former number 2 draft pick who will likely grow into another gun player. If they can find replacements and kids to fill holes like that regularly, which they've shown a tendency to do, they won't be sliding soon.
Could not care less how long it takes. It will still take a lot more than today for me to jump on the pessimism wagon. Also have you actually thought that maybe the reason they can acquire players they want like the FA Frawley and players like Lake, McEvoy etc. is because FA came in right at the peak of their dominance?? whereas our period of dominance was before that period.
 
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Could not care less how long it takes. It will still take a lot more than today for me to jump on the pessimism wagon. Also have you actually thought that maybe the reason they can acquire players they want like the FA Lake and Frawley is because FA came in right at the peak of their dominance?? whereas our period of dominance was before that period.
Yes, I have thought that.
 

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Yes, I have thought that.
So hypothetically if FA came in around 08-09 we would be in the position Hawthorn are in.... The destination club and everyone would be talking about how well we've traded/recruited/refreshed our list. Just like we benefited from the introduction of 2 new teams which slowed the development of established clubs and kept us up longer. Hawthorn have benefited from FA coming in at the perfect time for them.
 

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So hypothetically if FA came in around 08-09 we would be in the position Hawthorn are in.... The destination club and everyone would be talking about how well we've traded/recruited/refreshed our list. Just like we benefited from the introduction of 2 new teams which slowed the development of established clubs and kept us up longer. Hawthorn have benefited from FA coming in at the perfect time for them.
I don't know about that. There was a lot of angst regarding salary cap constraints limiting what the club could do, and most of the trade moves done over that period were to allow fringe players or those like Mumford to get more opportunity and a bigger pay packet elsewhere. The Hawks haven't just used FA; they've been active recruiters via trading, as well, which the Cats weren't when they were dominant. I'm not saying that they should or could have, but I think it shows how well the Hawks have managed their list that, after two premierships and with a plethora of champions, they are still able to make liberal use of both free agency and trade to secure their future and fill holes in their list. In contrast, the Cats could only lose players during their era, and continue to lose players now. Despite being successful, the Cats have not really landed any big signings through trading or free agency since 2007, except for perhaps Caddy.
 

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I don't know about that. There was a lot of angst regarding salary cap constraints limiting what the club could do, and most of the trade moves done over that period were to allow fringe players or those like Mumford to get more opportunity and a bigger pay packet elsewhere. The Hawks haven't just used FA; they've been active recruiters via trading, as well, which the Cats weren't when they were dominant. I'm not saying that they should or could have, but I think it shows how well the Hawks have managed their list that, after two premierships and with a plethora of champions, they are still able to make liberal use of both free agency and trade to secure their future and fill holes in their list. In contrast, the Cats could only lose players during their era, and continue to lose players now. Despite being successful, the Cats have not really landed any big signings through trading or free agency since 2007, except for perhaps Caddy.
It's all speculation I know but remember that Lance Franklin leaving freed up quite a bit of cap space for them to recruit Frawley.

Who's to say that if FA came while we were at the peak of our powers, that one or two of our famously underpaid players left for bigger money deals, leaving room for a FA deal. Yes they trade well, but they also trade for the short to medium term at the detriment of the long term. Who's to say these young players like Hallahan, Litherland, Duyrea, Woodward, Anderson are going to be stars in their own rights? Maybe they are, maybe they're being made to look better in a great team. Sound familiar?

Also for all their trading and FA recruiting, they've got a replacement for Lake but who replaces Gibson, Mitchell, Hodge, Hale, Burgoyne and more importantly do these players make the rest look and play better than they are?

Given hale turns 31 next season and Roughead 28 where's their next wave of tall forwards coming from?? Gunston can't do it all by himself. Where's the next gen KPD coming from, Frawley's one but Schoenmakers and Cheney aren't the answer. They have just as many hard decisions to make and holes to fill as we do, we're just 2 years ahead of them in that regard.
 

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Out-of-contract Geelong defender Taylor Hunt has attracted some opposition interest but no definite trade options have emerged.
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West Coast ruckman Callum Sinclair remains a trade option for teams looking to recruit a big man.
The Eagles are aware of interest in Sinclair, who could seek a move in search of more opportunities, but they are happy to keep the contracted ruckman if a suitable deal can't be reached.
West Coast concedes there are clubs better positioned to sign Geelong midfielder Travis Varcoe, who had been the club's priority earlier this week.
Scott Selwood and Will Schofield had been speculated as Eagles that could potentially be dealt to land Varcoe given their Geelong links, but the club poured cold water on any deal involving that pair on Wednesday.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-10-08/trade-wrap-beams-deal-hits-snag
 

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seems Jonathan O'Rourke has been traded to Hawthorn, picks 19 & 40 for O'Rourke and pick 43 to Hawthorn.

Good deal that one. Kid has a heap of potential.
Unbelievable how the Hawks keep on keeping on. You've got to admire the Hawthorn "machine". They put Brad Sewell out to pasture with a minimum of fuss and bring in O'Rourke. They snare ready made full back, Frawley, with a minimum of fuss.

I am jealous.

Meanwhile we seem paralysed
 

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Also for all their trading and FA recruiting, they've got a replacement for Lake but who replaces Gibson, Mitchell, Hodge, Hale, Burgoyne and more importantly do these players make the rest look and play better than they are?

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Seemingly, whoever Hawthorn wants from the struggling clubs.
 

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The proof would be in the pudding with respect to how these players perform without the established stars around them. Time will tell.
Actually, the expression is "The proof of the pudding is in the eating"! That aside, you are right, and eventually the Hawks would be expected to taper off. But there are parallels between Hawthorn of the mid 80's-early 90's and this team.The difference is back then you could get who you wanted if you had the money....Hang on not much has changed
 

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Actually, the expression is "The proof of the pudding is in the eating"! That aside, you are right, and eventually the Hawks would be expected to taper off. But there are parallels between Hawthorn of the mid 80's-early 90's and this team.The difference is back then you could get who you wanted if you had the money....Hang on not much has changed
I've heard numerous times on this board about how it's wrong to assume that young players will just come in and be best 22. There's no reason why that can't be the same for Hawthorn. They may trade for needs but there are still holes and big ones at that, that need to be filled.
 

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Hawks will go and sign a Cotchin and Danger once their core group retire.

I can't believe given the rep to get their man, how people think they will fall. Especially since they are a chance to win 2015 as well and only 10 points off a 3 peat already.

Hawks have kept doing the things that make them successful and adapt.They're the top team with the best culture and list.

Geelong is up for debate whether or not we will rebound to be the mightiest again, but we have fallen now that's for sure.
 

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Makes it worse that the Hawks are doing it much better in their successful years than we did.

Nearly enough to walk away it'll be the 80's all over again, we really should had won more flags with our dominance
To be fair, free agency was not around. If it was, every man and their dog would want to have played for the Cats. Imagine all the Ex-Falcons that would have been lining up to come home.
 

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Makes it worse that the Hawks are doing it much better in their successful years than we did.

Nearly enough to walk away it'll be the 80's all over again, we really should had won more flags with our dominance
3 premierships is still a bloody good return.

The one thing we had was a near pure team, with Ottens being the only ready made recruit on the list in that amazingly successful period (I don't include Harley). We did it on our own and may well be the last team that can boast that. It will never happen again, as evidenced by what Hawthorn, Swans and Pies are doing in the Free Agency era.
 

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To be fair, free agency was not around. If it was, every man and their dog would want to have played for the Cats. Imagine all the Ex-Falcons that would have been lining up to come home.
Good point. The critics used to claim "Geelong's success comes off the back of the father-son rule". We now rank No.2 for F/S recruits, behind Collingwood
 
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