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How did you rate Geelong's trade and free agency period?


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FA has just about killed fringe player trades.Delisted is FA ... its seem the only players that really can demand a good trad is ones still under 22.

Smedts and Hunt as a package?
Anyone over 26 and uncontracted basically goes for free.

Fringe players in good teams under that age will still be traded though. We did get pick 41 for West.

the guys who get delisted and under 26 just have no value, every team needs a few depth players

guys like West, T Hunt, Brown etc don't just get delisted
 

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Fair? Its ludicrous. Half the guys picked in this range will not be worth anything to the club and will be gone before playing 10 games. Hunt has shown he can play at the level. Picks really are far to highly rated
Nah that is about his value, if half didn't fail he'd be worth a lot less.

Taylor Hunt is of known value, he is a useful fringe player. His best is probably a good player but very unlikely to be elite or AA quality.

A pick 40-50 might have a 15% probability of being an AA quality type player so even though 50% of the time the kid is going to be a dud there is the chance that you get that Ling/Chappy/Enright type. That's why draft picks are worth more than ready made fringe players.

I wouldn't be getting rid of Hunt anyway but if he wanted to leave and pick 40-50 came up I think a deal would get done.
 

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Nah that is about his value, if half didn't fail he'd be worth a lot less.

Taylor Hunt is of known value, he is a useful fringe player. His best is probably a good player but very unlikely to be elite or AA quality.

A pick 40-50 might have a 15% probability of being an AA quality type player so even though 50% of the time the kid is going to be a dud there is the chance that you get that Ling/Chappy/Enright type. That's why draft picks are worth more than ready made fringe players.

I wouldn't be getting rid of Hunt anyway but if he wanted to leave and pick 40-50 came up I think a deal would get done.
50% failure was just a figure put out there as a rough estimate but my guess it would be close. But 1 in 6 players becoming AA is far off id think especially as 1 in 2 fail.

Just a quick look at a good draft for an example from 40 on there was 40 players drafted. 12 have played a 100 or more. Has Hawkins been AA? and he really is FS so it doesn't really count in this discussion but I don't see any from that draft as AA. 12 from 40 that "might" have been better than a Hunt , once you take time and cost into it
 
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Hunt is still a useful player who has had injury problems this year, no point getting rid of him for steak knives.

A lot of clubs would like a guy with his pace and toughness.

I think pick 40-50 is pretty fair
I agree with you but we are unlikely to have a choice, he is not likely to want to stay for his 7th year on the list and not be getting many games when he would be a 22 starter at a number of bottom 8 clubs.

We better hope he doesn't end up going to Brisbane who are currently the ones most keen on him, because if he does given how many academy players they may be taking this year, he's every chance of being PSD and we get nothing for him. I wouldn't expect him to be here next year.
 

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50% failure was just a figure put out there as a rough estimate but my guess it would be close. But 1 in 6 players becoming AA is far off id think especially as 1 in 2 fail.

Just a quick look at a good draft for an example from 40 on there was 40 players drafted. 12 have played a 100 or more. Has Hawkins been AA? and he really is FS so it doesn't really count in this discussion but I don't see any from that draft as AA. 12 from 40 that "might" have been better than a Hunt , once you take time and cost into it
You are right, having looked back at some drafts there are an awful lot of hacks, I think it's more like 70%+ are poor players and maybe 5-8% become very good.

Hunt is probably worth pick 30, but it depends on who wants him.

Guess we will see what happens at the end of the year.
 

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You are right, having looked back at some drafts there are an awful lot of hacks, I think it's more like 70%+ are poor players and maybe 5-8% become very good.

Hunt is probably worth pick 30, but it depends on who wants him.

Guess we will see what happens at the end of the year.
I should have said the draft I was looking at was 2006 , but I think it would be similar for most. The numbers will vary and the quality of the players is not the only reason for failure. I often wonder with some of the players that if they had been the same bust if they gone to a better club , or a club that had a spot for them.

An example that I always keep in mind is Varcoe V Tambling. Tambling was talented and I wonder if he had been drafted to us and TV had gone to them what the result would have been.

Im not saying picks are not valuable or indicative of something important , just that they are way overrated , but its probably a carryover from the system that we have copied. I just finished watching "Draft Day" , a film that has as it whole pretext that a Draft pick is all important and a precursor to success
 

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50% failure was just a figure put out there as a rough estimate but my guess it would be close. But 1 in 6 players becoming AA is far off id think especially as 1 in 2 fail.

Just a quick look at a good draft for an example from 40 on there was 40 players drafted. 12 have played a 100 or more. Has Hawkins been AA? and he really is FS so it doesn't really count in this discussion but I don't see any from that draft as AA. 12 from 40 that "might" have been better than a Hunt , once you take time and cost into it
Historically 45% of players between pick 41-50 play less than 50 games but of the players who do play more than 50, just under half play more than 150 games.
*Bare in mind that these rates could increase as a few players in the later draft years could move across the later intervals.

I don't think Hunt plays to his strengths, I was hoping that he would play in a similar manner to Wojcinski but he rarely used to pace offensively. He also displayed a strong fend-off a couple of years back but he didn't really use that this year as well. I we can trade him for a decent pick I'd be willing to let him go, if not he is a decent depth player and probably nothing more than that at this stage. At this stage I'd be surprised if he plays 100 games at Geelong.

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Nice job 10lana , I wonder if its possible to do that for all picks post 40? And probably more the kids than using P70X for a Chappy.

But just on those figures , it has to be a better bet going for a player like Hunt than some kid. Ironically I think was a late pick as well wasn't he?
 

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Nice job 10lana , I wonder if its possible to do that for all picks post 40? And probably more the kids than using P70X for a Chappy.

But just on those figures , it has to be a better bet going for a player like Hunt than some kid. Ironically I think was a late pick as well wasn't he?
Do you mean like pick 51-60, 61-70 etc or pick 40-96?

What is the lowest compensation that you would be happy to trade Hunt for?

The Age ran an article that he has put contract talks on hold to the end of the year, that coupled with the fact that he has spent most of the year in the VFL as a 24 year old doesn't bode well for his continued playing career at Geelong. The club probably gave him a sub par contract offer. If we got a Trent West Styled offer I would take it, in my opinion I don't think that T.Hunt has much improvement left in him.

Round 1 next year, Enright has retired would you play T.Hunt or Bews as the replacement small defender?
 

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Do you mean like pick 51-60, 61-70 etc or pick 40-96?

What is the lowest compensation that you would be happy to trade Hunt for?

The Age ran an article that he has put contract talks on hold to the end of the year, that coupled with the fact that he has spent most of the year in the VFL as a 24 year old doesn't bode well for his continued playing career at Geelong. The club probably gave him a sub par contract offer. If we got a Trent West Styled offer I would take it, in my opinion I don't think that T.Hunt has much improvement left in him.

Round 1 next year, Enright has retired would you play T.Hunt or Bews as the replacement small defender?
More the last 40+.

To replace Boris Id play Thurlow actually , but id be playing Bews in front of Hunt for sure.

The way we seem to trade out players I reckon a box of Oranges might do it. Cant see us making to hard for him to move on. Its like we look at the figures and know there is little difference in success of any kid post 30 , so 30..40...50 who cares. Wells find someone half decent.
 

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More the last 40+.

To replace Boris Id play Thurlow actually , but id be playing Bews in front of Hunt for sure.

The way we seem to trade out players I reckon a box of Oranges might do it. Cant see us making to hard for him to move on. Its like we look at the figures and know there is little difference in success of any kid post 30 , so 30..40...50 who cares. Wells find someone half decent.
I make a graph up of that, but I don't think it would provide a useful representation of anything.
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While we'd back Well to pick a good player out at any pick, during these drafts is was actually the picks in the 20s that underperformed
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If you consider T.Hunt our third choice player like I suspect the club does I can't imagine that we would be desperate to keep him
 

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No doubt Poodle has not gotten much of a go. Article didn't list him talking to anyone specific - just that he's not doing contract stuff till years end.

Remember too we all thought Stokesy was a goner and look what he did. Not say Poodle will be Stokesy but the bloke can play and maybe once healthy he can make it stick. Or maybe he'll do a Prismall and think he can be better off elsewhere.

Id say if he goes we won't get his value. I don't want another pick in ND - rather an upgrade of what we have. WE don't need more picks perhaps just higher ones.

And of course, Poodle is in that band of games played we are lacking….60 - 100 so losing him is of no advantage to us overall… yet…

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Will be interesting to see what happens with Poodle at the end of the year. Hard to get a feel on where he sits. Obviously he has been on the outer of late but whether that's down to form, things he needs to work on or just team structure. The club might rate him but he may just be unable to break back into the team, injuries haven't helped his cause either.
Don't want to read to much into the delaying contract talks situation but most of the time we know what that can mean. He may be looking to get more opportunities elsewhere. He has shown what he's capable of so he does have some value at the trade table but that's also hard to get a feel on what we could get for him if he did want to go somewhere else. A pick upgrade could be good if it was a pick 48 odd down to a 30ish but sometimes pick upgrades can depend on what players Wells has in mind. We know he doesn't generally go down the "best available" path as he generally looks at the player he wants and takes him regardless (Lang for example). So if he's eyeing off a guy at pick 48 that's rated a rookie chance for example perhaps upgrading a pick may not be worth it. But on the flip side we may be able to upgrade a pick to ensure Wells gets his man if the player is rated around that mark.
I agree with Daz though that he is at the age/game mark of players we don't have a lot of so maybe it's important to keep him and give him time to get back to his best.
 

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WaxiesDargle sums things up pretty well.

For my money I would want really good value for THunt if he is to go. He can play.

He can stay too and be part of this youth push. Utilities like Bartel / Kelly are not that far off retiring and having poodle available when this happens would be a good thing.
 

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WaxiesDargle sums things up pretty well.

For my money I would want really good value for THunt if he is to go. He can play.

He can stay too and be part of this youth push. Utilities like Bartel / Kelly are not that far off retiring and having poodle available when this happens would be a good thing.
To some extent he is, like Walker, a victim of the MC's almost monomaniacal pursuit of the god "versatility", and it has left him without a defined position.
 

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Hunt is a good player on his day but hardly the sort to really hurt you if he leaves. I just can't see him getting a regular game at the moment and will continue to struggle into 2015 when we should see the likes of Lang, Jansen, Kolo, Menzel and Vardy all competing for spots in the 22. If we can facilitate a trade for an upgraded pick or a pick in the 30's I think we've done well. Realistically we may not get much more than a pick in the 40's I feel.
 

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Hunt is a good player on his day but hardly the sort to really hurt you if he leaves. I just can't see him getting a regular game at the moment and will continue to struggle into 2015 when we should see the likes of Lang, Jansen, Kolo, Menzel and Vardy all competing for spots in the 22. If we can facilitate a trade for an upgraded pick or a pick in the 30's I think we've done well. Realistically we may not get much more than a pick in the 40's I feel.
Agree, after the North game seeing the team play well and guys like Bundy, Caddy, GHS, Murdoch coming on it's really hard to see a team with him in it. There are a few guys in the VFL who I could see in that team or becoming part of that team in the near future through form or retirements like Lang, JJ, Smedts, Hartman, but I just can't see where Hunt fits in. Vardy comes straight back in if fully fit as well. I think the club would be happy to keep him and I definitely can't see him being delisted so I don't think they will give him away for peanuts. Not sure if he would want to go into the draft either, most likely he would get picked up but you never know. Would he quit Geelong to risk ending up on a rookie list or something like that? If I had to guess I would say he might test the trade waters and if there is no interested just stay with Geelong. I think Geelong, likewise, may be happy to test the draft waters and see what they could get for him and if there's no interest would be happy for him to stay.
 

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hunt should be a small forward
You better get on to his Manager to add that one to his list. :D

McConville said Hunt, a third-round selection in the 2008 draft, had plenty to offer the Cats, or any team.
"He can play the dual role as a small defender, running half-back or run-with midfielder. He has got that ability to play those roles, as well as the wing, so he can play a variety of roles," he said.
 

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Maybe I'm missing something with Hunt, but over his 63 game career he has kicked 19 goals at an average of 0.3 - doesn't exactly read as the form of someone you want playing as a small forward as has been suggested at different times.
 
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