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Hunt has not been trained as a lock down player.
Only ever does it at AFL level.
Which I reckon is unfair on him. He free wheels in the VFL 9/10
That's what I meant...... Also Daz mentioned Ben Griffiths of Richmond might be a tall worth going after, what I saw of him tonight I'd have to agree, ready to go.
Would solve our tall forward issues.
 

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That's what I meant...... Also Daz mentioned Ben Griffiths of Richmond might be a tall worth going after, what I saw of him tonight I'd have to agree, ready to go.
Would solve our tall forward issues.
I dont reckon we have any tall forward issues.

Our issues will be down back.
Feels like yesterday we recruited Taylor.
But it was 7 years ago.
 

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Anyone writing Simpson off has rocks in their head.
First , why make it personal if some one disagrees with your opinion?

Second , Im not writing him off at all but when he is overlooked multiple times for our older it starts to look like those in control have or are close to. Now maybe they are just "managing" him , I was hoping they would play him in preference to Hmac at least V Freo.

But no matter what , as this is a draft etc thread... we need to add another young ruck. Whether he becomes the gun ruck by the Hmac is going is up for debate imo. Lets see who they prefer in the finals , that will be a big test as to if the MC rate what he brings to the side.
 

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That's what I meant...... Also Daz mentioned Ben Griffiths of Richmond might be a tall worth going after, what I saw of him tonight I'd have to agree, ready to go.
Would solve our tall forward issues.
I've been keen on Griffiths for a while now, and what about Bellchambers?
Assuming Vardy is always questionable , Tom is on the outer, and could be a great fit for us- direct swap for T Hunt? I like TH myself, and hope it's just injuries this year keeping him out.
 

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I've been keen on Griffiths for a while now, and what about Bellchambers?
Assuming Vardy is always questionable , Tom is on the outer, and could be a great fit for us- direct swap for T Hunt? I like TH myself, and hope it's just injuries this year keeping him out.
A three way or as you say, he's another we could and should definitely consider, then there's Reid at the Swans.
What I've seen of Kersten only confirms what I've thought, he's only big/medium sized these days about Murdoch's size.
I really like Griffiths though, young, tall, agile and he's a real good mark. But something could be done with Bellchambers and Hunt I reckon, they could've used his spark last night.

And you're right Vdubs, Vardy always will be questionable sorry to say, he's just not there, we can't sit back forever when opportunity is being lost.
We're one tall forward away from winning a flag imo.
 
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He's got toe and he's probably just as useful forward as defence, not that he's been given much opportunity there at Geelong. Personally I reckon he'd be a real good fit as you say. Chappy would know him well enough to vouch for his hardness and abilities.
Has been trained as a lock down type, but has more game than only a negating role player imo. Would be a good mutual if a deal could be struck either by player, draft pick or upgrades.
Personally I like him and would rather play him over Varcoe any day.

Taylor Hunt has ability. Some people on this board seem to have poor memories. (This comment is not directed at Meto, but quips of the nature of Gysenn's "weetbix" comment) He was playing very well before he broke his collar bone or clavical. He was shutting down good opponents and hurting them the other way by scoring goals. He frustrated the hell out of Mitchell. He has lost form and confidence but not ability.
I am am reminded of Tom Hawkins' form in 2010 and much of 2011.

The question for me is, if Hunt found form where would he fit into the team? Who would he dislodge from the team? Or is he really surplus to the teams' needs and in that case is dispensable as a trade towards a genuine need.
 
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What I've seen of Kersten only confirms what I've thought, he's only big/medium sized these days about Murdoch's size.
And I have said before that I do not think that he is a KP forward but a flanker. So whoever plays CHF or FF, I could still see Kersten as the 3rd tall option.
 

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Tom Bellchambers had a lower leg/achilles/ankle injury in January this year that set him back for a couple of months. After returning, he has struggled with fitness but to question him being "on the outer" is a little shy of whats really happening.

Kicked 28 goals, along with averaging 21 hitouts across 18 games last year. He is as important structurally as Cale Hooker is.
 

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Tom's contracted until the end of 2015, he's on pretty good coin if media reports are to be believed so can't see him heading off anytime soon.
Griffiths is on a one year deal this year, and as soon as Vickery is back, BG gets the chop. He has abundant talent, and really worth a go.
 

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I've been keen on Griffiths for a while now, and what about Bellchambers?
Assuming Vardy is always questionable , Tom is on the outer, and could be a great fit for us- direct swap for T Hunt? I like TH myself, and hope it's just injuries this year keeping him out.
Bellchambers is worth a heck more than THunt, would easily net them a late first rounder.

I like Griffiths a lot but we have too many injury prone players on our list to pick up another one.

We need to get another ruck but we need to do it on the cheap.e.g. guys like Lowden or Ceglar might not be bad options because they will be backup mainly anyway.
 

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As someone who's opinion I have a lot of time for I have to agree with this post.

But the 50/50 on Schroder does bum me out and I've never really been sold on Burbury.

But it looks about right to me.
I like Schroder but I am just seeing the evidence in front of me. They rarely play him, by contrast Bubury was brought in quickly after the jaw and stayed in until he got injured again. Brown again is not played much and dropped quickly when he is. So I think Schroder is more likely to go and Burbury stay. Brown is gone.

I think Schroder and Stringer are useful depth mids, they can fill a role at the backend of the list but it depends how many picks you want in the draft.

They seem to want to keep Cowan but you can't justify a guy who hasnt played in three years on the main list when Vardy and Menzel are also there so he has to go to rookie list.

Walker will stay. They are not going to trade him when Brown is going and Kersten has only played 6 games of senior footy. His versatility to play different positions and his durability also helps us when we have a lot of injury prone players on the list. So he won't go this year unless he forces a trade. Next year is make or break though.

While I am not as enamoured with Simpson's progress as Gysenn is, we can't get rid of him where our ruck stocks are at. But we still need another ruck. The way I see it, with his age, Hamish could retire after next year. So imagine he is not here, is Simpson durable enough to carry the ruck all year with Blicavs as support? On current evidence no. He is not durable, like say a Lobbe (who was the same draft as him). So that means we need to get another mature type of ruck on the list. There is also the fact that Simpson is an unrestricted free agent next year as well, staggering to think he's been here that long but he has, so that would go into the ruck planning. The tricky bit would be convincing any half decent ruck to come here and be mainly vfl here next year if they could get more gametime at other clubs, so we may have to take a state league ruck through the draft. Regardless, guys like Lowden and Ceglar and Campbell (although he is contracted) even Currie should be sounded out so we can see if we can bolster the ruck division.
 

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Bellchambers is worth a heck more than THunt, would easily net them a late first rounder.

I like Griffiths a lot but we have too many injury prone players on our list to pick up another one.

We need to get another ruck but we need to do it on the cheap.e.g. guys like Lowden or Ceglar might not be bad options because they will be backup mainly anyway.
Bellchambers is a guy would press and expect to be selected if fit. Would Griffth? Lowden , Ceglar ?

I guess it really gets back to what we really need.

The Hmac contract is over half done , will he get an extension. Not for mine. Simpson is one of those players who give glimpses , and promises but also has its fair share of deficiencies. Do they diminish if he plays more? Are they engrained? Just how long term is his body , its been thru a bit? Just how good can Blitz be. Just how soon could he be a number 1 ruck ..if ever? (So Bellchambers wouldn't be a bad get. How much cost?)

We have no young rucks developing on our list , so its like we have decided that its no going to be that way. Shame cause there are guys I'm sure that could be OK.

I think the Cats have done reasonably from FA with Rivers , Hmac was technically not FA but both represent what you can get after 10 years.Due to both having injuries , I think we have now looked at mid 20's guys more that with more favorable eyes. So 8 year FA's. I don't know of the FA list for next year(post 2015) but if a good solid player was available like a Bellchambers , around 25,26 then Id say we would word them up now and plan for then. When does Kruser come out of contract for instance. Gibbs was this year , same age? Has never set the world on fire , and so often has been asked to non ruck roles. He presents like an Ottens to me , not is style but as a highly rated junior player that may be gettable. Of course is he any good now?

Perhaps we look at somebody who is under rated and a big body that we think could do a job as a backup and put our money on Simpson. Spencer at Melb for instance. So , can we find someone who is good enough to half the contest? Probably . Is that worth chasing?

Personally , I think there are some positions that are critical and unlike mids , ruckman is one that is critical but one that you cant have 8 on your list to hope one becomes a gun. Id love for us to get a youngish athletic guy who could lead , not just get dragged along. Not many of them. Think we went after Clarke last year and he probably fits that.
 

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If we were to have a crack at a ruckman at the end of the year I would ask about Leuenberger. Would not be cheap but is a very athletic ruckman when fit and would help in the clearances. With Stefan Martin firing for the lions, they may look to cash in on Leuenberger.
 

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Bellchambers is a guy would press and expect to be selected if fit. Would Griffth? Lowden , Ceglar ?

I guess it really gets back to what we really need.

The Hmac contract is over half done , will he get an extension. Not for mine. Simpson is one of those players who give glimpses , and promises but also has its fair share of deficiencies. Do they diminish if he plays more? Are they engrained? Just how long term is his body , its been thru a bit? Just how good can Blitz be. Just how soon could he be a number 1 ruck ..if ever? (So Bellchambers wouldn't be a bad get. How much cost?)

We have no young rucks developing on our list , so its like we have decided that its no going to be that way. Shame cause there are guys I'm sure that could be OK.

I think the Cats have done reasonably from FA with Rivers , Hmac was technically not FA but both represent what you can get after 10 years.Due to both having injuries , I think we have now looked at mid 20's guys more that with more favorable eyes. So 8 year FA's. I don't know of the FA list for next year(post 2015) but if a good solid player was available like a Bellchambers , around 25,26 then Id say we would word them up now and plan for then. When does Kruser come out of contract for instance. Gibbs was this year , same age? Has never set the world on fire , and so often has been asked to non ruck roles. He presents like an Ottens to me , not is style but as a highly rated junior player that may be gettable. Of course is he any good now?

Perhaps we look at somebody who is under rated and a big body that we think could do a job as a backup and put our money on Simpson. Spencer at Melb for instance. So , can we find someone who is good enough to half the contest? Probably . Is that worth chasing?

Personally , I think there are some positions that are critical and unlike mids , ruckman is one that is critical but one that you cant have 8 on your list to hope one becomes a gun. Id love for us to get a youngish athletic guy who could lead , not just get dragged along. Not many of them. Think we went after Clarke last year and he probably fits that.
There is two points with Bellchambers. One is he is worth a lot, we couldn't trade for him without giving up more than we would want to. This is why I suggested those other names because you need to get a guy who is fringe at his current club on the cheap, and potentially turn him into a diamond, ala the Crows with Jenkins.

Secondly, Bellchambers would be starting ruck at many clubs so he will not come here to possibly be backup, whereas fringe rucks will and you develop them from there.

Lowden and Ceglar I am fairly sure are uncontracted so you may get them cheap, Campbell would be my pick but he is contracted so they will ask for too much. Spencer is terrible, I would rather get Byrnes back to play him in the ruck. If I was trying to get a ruck from Melbourne it would be Gawn but they won't let him go.

I think with Hamish it's not a case of not being offered another contract for 2016, I think we would unless we trade for a top ruck, it's more his body. He will be 30 next year and with all his injuries his body might not be able to go on. Especially if he wins a flag with us this year or next, I would expect him to retire, so we must do something about our ruck stocks in case Simpson either doesnt come on or walks next year.

Btw to answer your question about free agent rucks next year the main options are Berger (although he wont leave Brisbane anyway), Lobbe and then Zac Clarke and Goldstein the year after, those are the main free agents.
 
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I like Schroder but I am just seeing the evidence in front of me. They rarely play him, by contrast Bubury was brought in quickly after the jaw and stayed in until he got injured again. Brown again is not played much and dropped quickly when he is. So I think Schroder is more likely to go and Burbury stay. Brown is gone.

I think Schroder and Stringer are useful depth mids, they can fill a role at the backend of the list but it depends how many picks you want in the draft.

They seem to want to keep Cowan but you can't justify a guy who hasnt played in three years on the main list when Vardy and Menzel are also there so he has to go to rookie list.

Walker will stay. They are not going to trade him when Brown is going and Kersten has only played 6 games of senior footy. His versatility to play different positions and his durability also helps us when we have a lot of injury prone players on the list. So he won't go this year unless he forces a trade. Next year is make or break though.

While I am not as enamoured with Simpson's progress as Gysenn is, we can't get rid of him where our ruck stocks are at. But we still need another ruck. The way I see it, with his age, Hamish could retire after next year. So imagine he is not here, is Simpson durable enough to carry the ruck all year with Blicavs as support? On current evidence no. He is not durable, like say a Lobbe (who was the same draft as him). So that means we need to get another mature type of ruck on the list. There is also the fact that Simpson is an unrestricted free agent next year as well, staggering to think he's been here that long but he has, so that would go into the ruck planning. The tricky bit would be convincing any half decent ruck to come here and be mainly vfl here next year if they could get more gametime at other clubs, so we may have to take a state league ruck through the draft. Regardless, guys like Lowden and Ceglar and Campbell (although he is contracted) even Currie should be sounded out so we can see if we can bolster the ruck division.
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Does anyone know what Schroders pace is like ? Its the only thing I can see that may be why , chances have gone to others? The plaudits post the North game talked up our pace , pretty sure that its probably what we have been very focused one, considering Murda getting consistently getting played. Lang last year looks nippy and smart. Even JJ , looks to have burst speed , yet Schroder looks more one paced. In a side a side of quick players he may well be a gun.

Rucks. You said it all. Some think Simpson has a future , some not. I was all for him being pushed over Hmac at years start. Now Im not in love with either yet both can probably do a role. I feel we have been lucky considering their injury history. We may well have ended up rucking Blitz most of the year. Whether young or mature , we must do something this year even if its a non long term Rookie like a Banjanin.
 

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If we were to have a crack at a ruckman at the end of the year I would ask about Leuenberger. Would not be cheap but is a very athletic ruckman when fit and would help in the clearances. With Stefan Martin firing for the lions, they may look to cash in on Leuenberger.
And what would you suggest trading for him? Duncan? Guthrie? Because that's what they would ask for, and we would be outbid by half a dozen clubs. You need to think smarter and choose fringe guys who have ability but can be had for lesser picks, as Jacobs and Mumford were (admittedly both clubs had PSD threats to use but that's more of a model to look at), or what the Crows did with getting Jenkins off the rookie list for a pick upgrade.
 

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There is two points with Bellchambers. One is he is worth a lot, we couldn't trade for him without giving up more than we would want to. This is why I suggested those other names because you need to get a guy who is fringe at his current club on the cheap, and potentially turn him into a diamond, ala the Crows with Jenkins.

Secondly, Bellchambers would be starting ruck at many clubs so he will not come here to possibly be backup, whereas fringe rucks will and you develop them from there.

Lowden and Ceglar I am fairly sure are uncontracted so you may get them cheap, Campbell would be my pick but he is contracted so they will ask for too much. Spencer is terrible, I would rather get Byrnes back to play him in the ruck. If I was trying to get a ruck from Melbourne it would be Gawn but they won't let him go.

I think with Hamish it's not a case of not being offered another contract for 2016, I think we would unless we trade for a top ruck, it's more his body. He will be 30 next year and with all his injuries his body might not be able to go on. Especially if he wins a flag with us this year or next, I would expect him to retire, so we must do something about our ruck stocks in case Simpson either doesn't come on or walks next year.
Nothing from Hawthorn will come cheep. Anything that does is probably not worth getting. Byrnes rather than Spenser , good luck with that. One has retired the other is 25 and a big body. Far from perfect but a cheep backup. None are my preferred choice but I can't see us getting a gun ruck without huge pain. As I said , its looks to me like they will probably look at FA again but I have no idea who is available post 2015 season.

If I was going to go for a youngish one I have liked when I have seen him , it would probably be Nicholls at GC , and he would be hard to move as well.
 

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Nothing from Hawthorn will come cheep. Anything that does is probably not worth getting. Byrnes rather than Spenser , good luck with that. One has retired the other is 25 and a big body. Far from perfect but a cheep backup. None are my preferred choice but I can't see us getting a gun ruck without huge pain. As I said , its looks to me like they will probably look at FA again but I have no idea who is available post 2015 season.

If I was going to go for a youngish one I have liked when I have seen him , it would probably be Nicholls at GC , and he would be hard to move as well.
The Hawthorn ones will come cheap. All of Lowden Ceglar and Grimley are uncontracted and at least one will walk because there's not enough gametime for them all, and I doubt they will get that much for any of them. Whether they would refuse to deal with Geelong after the Gillies thing is another matter, but they will lose one of those guys and whichever club gets them will do so cheaper.

Spencer genuinely is terrible, while I was clearly being a bit humorous with the Byrnes comment, there is no way we would want Spencer. Gawn is much much better, and even Fitzpatrick is a better choice.
 

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http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-02-22/aflpas-free-agency-push

So looking at this aricle , my guess its probable that Geelong will target someone for the end of 2015 ,and just plug holes till then , with either another kid or a delisted mature body. Especially if the rules change that allow earlier access , re article.

FA names for 2015..

If the AFL agreed to this in time for next season, this would free 2008 draftees such as Beams, Sloane, Motlop, Shuey, Hill and Rich to explore free agency, with all set to come out of contract at the end of 2015.

Zac Clarke, Luke Breust, Liam Shiels, Jackson Trengove, Jordan Roughead, Rhys Stanley, Lachlan Keeffe, Ayce Cordy and Sam Wright are in all the same boat.

However, other high-profile members of the 2008 draft class Jack Watts, Hamish Hartlett, Michael Hurley and Jack Ziebell will not be up for grabs as they are all contracted beyond 2015.

Given next year's free agency pool is already set to include Patrick Dangerfield, Trent Cotchin, Ryan Griffen, Taylor Walker, Matthew Kreuzer, Tom Hawkins, Grant Birchall, Andrew Swallow and Jack Steven, 2015 could boast far and away the most enticing list of free agents yet.
 

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The Hawthorn ones will come cheap. All of Lowden Ceglar and Grimley are uncontracted and at least one will walk because there's not enough gametime for them all, and I doubt they will get that much for any of them. Whether they would refuse to deal with Geelong after the Gillies thing is another matter, but they will lose one of those guys and whichever club gets them will do so cheaper.

Spencer genuinely is terrible, while I was clearly being a bit humorous with the Byrnes comment, there is no way we would want Spencer. Gawn is much much better, and even Fitzpatrick is a better choice.
I like Grimley as a possible CHF think he's got big improvement potential, but he's not going to get his chances at Hawthorn. He's had good development so far at a top club and he can play, maybe we can benefit from all of that and strengthen our lack of tall forwards as well.

Big unit Grimley, 199/96, and a great pair of hands and a mature body.
 
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The Hawthorn ones will come cheap. All of Lowden Ceglar and Grimley are uncontracted and at least one will walk because there's not enough gametime for them all, and I doubt they will get that much for any of them. Whether they would refuse to deal with Geelong after the Gillies thing is another matter, but they will lose one of those guys and whichever club gets them will do so cheaper.

Spencer genuinely is terrible, while I was clearly being a bit humorous with the Byrnes comment, there is no way we would want Spencer. Gawn is much much better, and even Fitzpatrick is a better choice.
I'm not attached by birth to Spencer , but see plenty of guys who look ordinary at times and do a reasonable backup when given a chance. Kilpatrick is certainly a quick player for his size , but ruck? I'm sure we would have a list of guys that would fill a backup role. Any other Type 2 Rookies. Blitz will be elevated , we will have a spot.
 
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