List Mgmt. 2015 LIST Discussion - trades, free agency etc

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Its the system, everyone has the same rules to play within, the Hawks just happen to be at the top of the system when Free Agency kicked in. Any club could have been in their position and would have done the same, it's all a matter of good timing.
They have made more gains from canny trading than they have from FA in recent years.

Not their fault they have proactive management, strong salary cap control (don't know how they all fit in) and an innovative coach.

If I didn't hate them so much, I'd salute them.
 

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I wouldn't mind Suckling and/or Anderson.
Anderson maybe, Suckling is SPUDZ.

Hogan? Why are people talking about Hogan? We could have the first 5 picks and they wouldn't trade him. He's the very definition of untouchable
Correct. :thumbsu:

IF Yaz ends up at Hawthorn for pick 18, the most enjoyable part will be listening to Damo and Wallet trying to explain why the best trading club in the AFL have given up a first round pick for a player they reckon deserves nothing like it. Might warrant a few clarification calls to TWR. Fingers crossed.
Rolls me over that a man with Terry Wallet's drafting history is employed as a drafting expert. :rolleyes:
 
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Hendo for Pick 9
Yarran for Lennon
Pick 20 for Plowman, Sumner, Lamb, Phillips
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Bell for Brisbane 2016 2nd pick

Out: Judd, Carrazzo, Ellard, Watson, Giles, Henderson, Yarran, Bell, Warnock, +1 more

In: Lennon, Plowman, Tomlinson, Lamb, Phillips, Sumner, Weitering, Pick 9, Rice, Silvagni

2016 Out: 2nd pick
2016 In: Brisbane 2nd pick
My 2 cents

This is the way we should be trading, the great teams of the past 15 years (e.g. Hawks, Geelong, etc) follow a simple pattern.

1) When the draft is weak they trade picks for players, and buy depth and established talent.
2) When the draft is strong they trade players for picks, and develop young talent.

This year I don't believe that we should be trading any players that don't get us a 1 - 12 pick, these are our assets for next year. (and clearly Geelong and Hawthorn agree)

For example Yarren for Lennon (12) or he stays. Next year we get a compo (RFA), or we match any offer and trade. Thereby bringing in extra picks in a stronger draft with less associated risk. We SHOULD not be trading our contracted assets away to the likes of Geelong or the Hawks this year.

Same goes for Bell, Cas, etc. Otherwise we will simply become a development club for the top teams.

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My 2 cents

This is the way we should be trading, the great teams of the past 15 years (e.g. Hawks, Geelong, etc) follow a simple pattern.

1) When the draft is weak they trade picks for players, and buy depth and established talent.
2) When the draft is strong they trade players for picks, and develop young talent.


This year I don't believe that we should be trading any players that don't get us a 1 - 12 pick, these are our assets for next year. (and clearly Geelong and Hawthorn agree)

For example Yarren for Lennon (12) or he stays. Next year we get a compo (RFA), or we match any offer and trade. Thereby bringing in extra picks in a stronger draft with less associated risk. We SHOULD not be trading our contracted assets away to the likes of Geelong or the Hawks this year.

Same goes for Bell, Cas, etc. Otherwise we will simply become a development club for the top teams.

Regards
Nice post CFCtragic !! :thumbsu:

Very simple formula and one which works well, something we could do well to follow.

Only thing is that they already have an established playing list which makes it easier to work to that system.

In the short term, we need to play the percentages (ie. no risky or speculative deals) and work smarter, not harder.
 

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Rolls me over that a man with Terry Wallet's drafting history is employed as a drafting expert?


The AFL has grown to rival the polital world as the biggest "jobs for the boys" network in the country. Any dick can get a well paid gig. We all know the usual suspects so I dont need to list them, however.....there are many.
I'm not Lyon Mr Darcy. I think I've left my Wallet at the Taylors. :(
 
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People have suggested trading future picks from time to time on here and the bluemour discussion thread.

Just wondering whether we have any potential father son prospects next year that could command a 1st or 2nd rounder. There's clearly posters on here more in the know than me about FS prospects.

Just don't want us to shoot ourselves in the foot.
I would be advocating trading IN future picks rather than trading out future picks.
 

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I would be advocating trading IN future picks rather than trading out future picks.
How about offering Yarran to the Hawks for their first rounder for next year rather than this year? Stronger draft and they may not win #4 so potentially could be a slightly earlier pick...
 

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My 2 cents

This is the way we should be trading, the great teams of the past 15 years (e.g. Hawks, Geelong, etc) follow a simple pattern.

1) When the draft is weak they trade picks for players, and buy depth and established talent.
2) When the draft is strong they trade players for picks, and develop young talent.

This year I don't believe that we should be trading any players that don't get us a 1 - 12 pick, these are our assets for next year. (and clearly Geelong and Hawthorn agree)

For example Yarren for Lennon (12) or he stays. Next year we get a compo (RFA), or we match any offer and trade. Thereby bringing in extra picks in a stronger draft with less associated risk. We SHOULD not be trading our contracted assets away to the likes of Geelong or the Hawks this year.

Same goes for Bell, Cas, etc. Otherwise we will simply become a development club for the top teams.

Regards
Good post. Only change in the dynamics is the trading of advance picks, which would allow you to trade our players in a weak year for a proposed stronger draft the following. Only that the champs really dictate, and to a lesser extent, a strong Vic Metro teams how strong the draft will be.
 

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I was assuming we get the Cats first round (9) i think, so would of been 9, Bell and Cas. Out of curiosity what is a lions supporters view on what you would trade for Bell and Casboult?
The Lions are intent on drafting Schache - we need pick 2

Some fans have suggested our 2nd pick - but it's possible we may get a mid first round which could be used for Bell/Cas
 

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How about offering Yarran to the Hawks for their first rounder for next year rather than this year? Stronger draft and they may not win #4 so potentially could be a slightly earlier pick...
I would think we would need to receive someone from the Hawk's in exchange for Yarran this year not just the future pick.
We have places that we need to fill. So a combo that included something in this year as well as a future years pick would be beneficial to our club.
 

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They have made more gains from canny trading than they have from FA in recent years.

Not their fault they have proactive management, strong salary cap control (don't know how they all fit in) and an innovative coach.

If I didn't hate them so much, I'd salute them.
Hodge, Mitchell, Burgoyne, Roughead, Rioli, Lewis, Gunston, Bruest, Frawley
Above players would command big $$$ on open market.
I suspect most of them are on around 400-500k at the Hawks?

But then still other good players like Shiels, McEvoy, Gibson, Smith, Hill etc...

Their whole list is definitely on unders, which is why im glad we stuck firm on Carlisle.
 

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My 2 cents

This is the way we should be trading, the great teams of the past 15 years (e.g. Hawks, Geelong, etc) follow a simple pattern.

1) When the draft is weak they trade picks for players, and buy depth and established talent.
2) When the draft is strong they trade players for picks, and develop young talent.

This year I don't believe that we should be trading any players that don't get us a 1 - 12 pick, these are our assets for next year. (and clearly Geelong and Hawthorn agree)

For example Yarren for Lennon (12) or he stays. Next year we get a compo (RFA), or we match any offer and trade. Thereby bringing in extra picks in a stronger draft with less associated risk. We SHOULD not be trading our contracted assets away to the likes of Geelong or the Hawks this year.

Same goes for Bell, Cas, etc. Otherwise we will simply become a development club for the top teams.

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We can trade for next years picks now.
Although big risk of course as you dont know exactly what you're getting.
 

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I would think we would need to receive someone from the Hawk's in exchange for Yarran this year not just the future pick.
We have places that we need to fill. So a combo that included something in this year as well as a future years pick would be beneficial to our club.
That would water down the offer we get from them though. I could see them offer their 2nd rounder this year and next max but doesn't sound as promising as their first rounder for next year. We'd have to be really lucky to get a gun player with their second rounder for this year and next year we may get a decent player with their second rounder. If we get their first rounder for next year, I think our chances of getting a gun player increases by quite a bit.

We will fill the places that we need to in time, we can't fill every gap in our list at the moment it's literally impossible, next year we won't be winning a flag, chances are we will finish bottom 3. With a couple of first round picks and our second rounder in a strong draft I think that'll be more beneficial than a couple of second rounders and only 1 first rounder.
 

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Jake Bradley is with Northern at the moment and went ok this year, nothing special, he is a small kid who took up footy late, i don't think he will be a 1st or 2nd round player.
Jake Bradley would probably come to us with a rookie pick TBH. The word around the traps is that he is a talented athlete like his dad but, as you said, took up football late.
 
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