2015 Non-Crows AFL Discussion - Pt. 1

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You guys are misunderstanding my point. Of course intelligence testing has its place. Hell all that stuff originated in Cleveland with Paul Brown in the 1940's and 50's.

That kind of thing is objective.

The questions these knucklehead teams (American and Australian) are trying to pose have absolutely no objective quantification. They are subjective psychological questions being asked by people who have neither the education nor background to either give the "tests" or understand the "results". Let alone process what it does or does not mean as it relates to performance under pressure on a footy field.

Before a career change, I was a professional Org Psych for a big four consulting firm so i know about this stuff (or at least I did up until about 15 years ago so ... grain of salt etc. etc.). There were credible research findings in the 1990s that an IQ test wasa better predictor of job performance than any of the 16PF, MBTI, Pop Psych tests. However the pop psych tests can tell you relevant info that helps determine if the candidate will fit into your team.

Your point is right - if its left in the hands of a coach to apply an interpret the result, it's worse than a waste of time. But there is role for this sort of stuff done properly.
 

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Before a career change, I was a professional Org Psych for a big four consulting firm so i know about this stuff (or at least I did up until about 15 years ago so ... grain of salt etc. etc.). There were credible research findings in the 1990s that an IQ test wasa better predictor of job performance than any of the 16PF, MBTI, Pop Psych tests. However the pop psych tests can tell you relevant info that helps determine if the candidate will fit into your team.

Your point is right - if its left in the hands of a coach to apply an interpret the result, it's worse than a waste of time. But there is role for this sort of stuff done properly.
Agreed...if done properly and for the right reasons.
 
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Before a career change, I was a professional Org Psych for a big four consulting firm so i know about this stuff (or at least I did up until about 15 years ago so ... grain of salt etc. etc.). There were credible research findings in the 1990s that an IQ test wasa better predictor of job performance than any of the 16PF, MBTI, Pop Psych tests. However the pop psych tests can tell you relevant info that helps determine if the candidate will fit into your team.

Your point is right - if its left in the hands of a coach to apply an interpret the result, it's worse than a waste of time. But there is role for this sort of stuff done properly.
But whose to say that they aren't doing it properly?
 

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Interesting reading on the Western Bulldogs board. In their thread revolving around the Talia investigation, it seemed that none of them would entertain the possibility that Michael Talia might be innocent. They have completely stabbed him in the back. Even if the investigation finds him innocent, a lot of them are convinced that it will be because a cover up has taken place or that he's guilty, but there isn't enough evidence to support such a claim.

He is 100% guilty in their eyes and it appears that nothing that happens from here will change their minds about that. I can't remember a club and its supporters turning so bitterly against one of their own players who was at the time was still going to be on their list beyond 2015. If Talia is innocent, he had no choice but to leave a club that would make wild allegations about his integrity.

Would we feel the same way? If our club made an allegation of a breach of trust and treason against one of our listed players who had shown no indication of wanting to leave at that point in time, would we blindly believe the clubs allegations despite any investigation proving otherwise? I'd like to think I wouldn't, but who knows... I think there will always be people who buy into a story like this which includes that you lost a very close final due to insider information being passed to the opposition. This way you don't have to accept the loss, you can blame other factors and make claims that you would have won. Once you've made your stand that this is exactly what happens, then anything that contradicts the story must be lies, a cover up or due to a lack of evidence.

I'm still waiting for the investigation results from the AFL that was virtually done 5 days ago. I wonder what's taking them so long?
 

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In other news, Canadian film critique James Kelleher Nestruck has released to the public the details of (now former) Western Tigers NRL player Martin Taupau's new contract and move to the Manly Sea Eagles after receiving an e-mail with the contract. Going by the name J.Kelly Nestruck, his e-mail is similar to Joe Kelly, the Manly Chief Executive. Western Tigers and Manly are refusing to comment.

You can't make this stuff up! :D
 
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