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Review 2015 - Redo the 2015 AFL Draft

Discussion in 'Drafts, Trading & Free Agency' started by scott_the_man, Jun 18, 2017.

  1. Mofra

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    Hipwood has the tools to be the best KPF in the comp, seriously impressive for a kdi who is still a rake.

    With Curnow and Weiderman 2015 was ridiculously good for KPFs when you consider the struggles of other KPFs drafted high in recent years (Day, Boyd, Schache, McCartin, Patton)
     
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    ha ha ha ha
     
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    milera aint getting close to rioli
     
  4. Kane McGoodwin

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    We are talking Richmond Rioli not Hawks or Weagles Rioli... ;)
     
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    What he's done is take the best defender each week since about halfway through 2017 (20 year-old) at CHF in a side with an absolutely deplorable delivery into the forward 50 and somehow still kicked over 1.5 goals/game.

    Most up and coming talls will play second fiddle and get the second-best defender to develop on for quite some time longer than Curnow. Most will also not be placed one-out with another 20 y/r key forward against about 8 Adelaide defenders (see Round 23 and numerous other games this year) ... seriously until Curnow plays in a semi-good side (one where he isn't triple-teamed because we actually have other forward threats for the opposition to worry about), it's almost impossible for him to show any more than what he has.

    Put any of the Coleman-medal top 5 from this year into that Carlton side and I honestly believe that 40-45 goals would be their limit. Go and watch most of our games, particularly noting delivery to our forwards is you're unsure about that.

    So in a way I agree that he hasn't really shown 'stardom' yet, but I honestly don't think he's had a chance to.

    Francis I agree with - watched him a couple of times this year when it looked like things had clicked for him and wow. Could still be the best player of the draft by career's end if it all goes well for him from here onwards.
     
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    Top 20 if I were picking them as of now:
    1. Oliver
    2. Curnow
    3. Hipwood
    4. Mills
    5. Francis
    6. Gresham
    7. Dunkley
    8. Weiderman
    9. Himmelberg
    10. Sier
    11. Doedee
    12. Phillips
    13. Hopper
    14. Milera
    15. Parish
    16. Rioli
    17. Hardwick
    18. Williams
    19. Papley
    20. McDonald-Tipungwuti
     
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    Hard to rate these kids as most are sun 50 games so most are still developing but I think Oliver, Gresham, Curnow and Mills are a clear top 4 then arguments could be made for 10-15 players who have
    Impacted games greatly
    Played roles in over 20 games
    Then I would have a 3rd group of those still hard to judge around the 10 game mark although arguments could be made for Sier, Weideman and Francis as they have shown a lot in the limited games they have played and if those 3 can play most of next season they will move into top 10 calculations IMO
    I would have Hopper and Himmelburg both around number 10 picked and both will be best 22 in 2019 so should hold around that mark
     
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    How can Francis be at 5????

    He has done absolutely NOTHING. Or is this a potential end of career list?
     
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    Francis way too high, based on the very few games he's played so far probably doesn't even deserve to be top20. That may change after next season though. But having him at 5 right now would be purely based on potential.

    Rest of the list is pretty close to spot on though.
     
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    That one?
     
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    All the Rioli's could come up with a pic... Cyril has a few more. ;)

    Winners are grinners...
     
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    Daniel is 21. Lots of time
     
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    The Oliver v Curnow decision in my mind could go either way.
    Oliver is next level with regards to his inside work, they're insanely helpful at AFL level.
    Then again Curnow as a modern day forward for his age is very rare.

    I personally would have Curnow slightly infront due to the difficulty of obtaining talls with his ability.
    But there is no doubt a little bit of team bias in there as well. Both teams are very happy with their selections.
     
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    Oliver is miles in front of Curnow and it’s not even worth a discussion otherwise
     
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    Could have had both.

    1.Oliver
    8. McKay
    12. Curnow
    24. Dunkley
    50. Menegola

    What a dream draft that would have been.
     
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    I personally don't think so.
     
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    Menegola is not amazing, but yeah that would have been nice. Still a little early to judge Weitering, talls take years to develop.
     
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    Two weeks later and this thread is still Carlton, Essendon and Collingwood supporters trying to overrate their players.

    Looks like Richmond are getting in in the act now too.
     
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    What? Oliver is an AA and has won a b&f. How can you make an argument that he is not a long way in front? Curnow might catch him but as it stands Oliver is the better footballer.
     
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    Oliver is comfortably in front of anyone from this draft at present. Not saying the other couldn’t overtake him but will take a decent effort. Surely Oliver also has some development and improvement left in him. I mean if he has peaked and continues at the current standard he’ll have a great career. Likely being a multiple best and fairest and AA.
    In 60 games he has achieved a lot. AA and a Best and Fairest. Runner up this year.
     
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    As a neutral fan, I don’t think so either. Oliver has achieved more for sure, but if the draft is starting today I’m probably taking Curnow no matter what team it is. Oliver reminds me of Scotty West (one of my favourite players I might add) and that’s more than you could ask for from a top draftee, but Curnows overhead marking mainly is the reason why I’d take him. Not to mention you can pinch hit him in the midfield like Jarryd Roughead and it’s a player to have. I think most Hawks supporters would call Roughy a top 3 important player at the club during their success, might of even been #1 if they didn’t have Hodgey. In saying that you’re not gonna pick the wrong dude whoever you pick.
     
  23. LemmingMaster

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    1. Curnow is a tall and traditionally they take longer to develop
    2. I personally think Curnow is in the top 6 or so tall forwards currently playing AFL.
    3. It is harder to find talls than midfielders

    These a three personally valid reasons for me thinking they are a lot more closely rated than yourself. I also have Curnow ahead of Oliver. THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT OLIVER IS NOT A RARE TALENT. I just personally think Curnow is one of the best forwards going around.
     
  24. Wild Bill

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    Buddy, Kennedy, Brown, Daniher, Lynch, Riewoldt, Darling, Hogan, Hawkins, Walker, Cameron - which forwards is he better than?
     
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    Maybe a little aspect of age being part of the process.

    Cameron, Lynch and Daniher should be rated higher currently. Thinking of age. Hogan is around the same mark for me.
    The rest are closer to the end than the start.
     
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