Review 2015 - Redo the 2015 AFL Draft

SickQwon

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Fisher is a decent get but putting Jack Silvagni up is not something to write home about. Imo he is on a list due to his name only.
I get it's funny to have a dig at JSOS because he looks a bit like a gumby but he's been solid this year, made great strides and probably worth persisting with given his rate of improvement from last season.
 

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Wild Bill

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I get it's funny to have a dig at JSOS because he looks a bit like a gumby but he's been solid this year, made great strides and probably worth persisting with given his rate of improvement from last season.
Not being funny - he is averaging 12 touches and less than a goal a game as a forward. Where is this improvement and great strides he has made? He isn’t playing in many other teams.
 

SickQwon

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Not being funny - he is averaging 12 touches and less than a goal a game as a forward. Where is this improvement and great strides he has made? He isn’t playing in many other teams.
kids got hussle, 2nd and 3rd efforts usually result in a team goal. Does some nice things, consistancy is his weakness.
 

Prem17

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Fisher is a decent get but putting Jack Silvagni up is not something to write home about. Imo he is on a list due to his name only.
He's starting to find his feet a bit after playing too many different roles over his career so far. He has been used as a forward, a defender and a midfielder.
Versatility is a good thing these days but he has never been allowed to settle in a role until recently.
His repeat efforts and tackling and general contesting in the forward line are starting to be worth more than just stats alone.
Look up his effort to produce a goal-assist for Gibbons vs Brisbane.
He won't be a POD in Supercoach but he is playing his role ok.
 

00Stinger

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kids got hussle, 2nd and 3rd efforts usually result in a team goal. Does some nice things, consistancy is his weakness.
so your happy to have players in your team that hardly touch the ball and kick very few goaks as long as they have hussle?

Or do they also have to be a past greats son?

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HARKER

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so your happy to have players in your team that hardly touch the ball and kick very few goaks as long as they have hussle?

Or do they also have to be a past greats son?

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I think us Carlton people do get a little hung-up on what JSilvagni may be able to do.
For now though, he's just doing a job, whilst working as hard as he can. Upside may yet be there and it may not.
Good on him for doing all he can, but I can't be sure he'll make for a best 22 player in years to come. We'll see.
 

00Stinger

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I think us Carlton people do get a little hung-up on what JSilvagni may be able to do.
For now though, he's just doing a job, whilst working as hard as he can. Upside may yet be there and it may not.
Good on him for doing all he can, but I can't be sure he'll make for a best 22 player in years to come. We'll see.
every club gets hung up on past greats sons, I especially think it would be even greater when it is a a third gen.



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Kreuuuzeurns

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If Silvagni’s name was Jack Smith no one would bat an eye.

Has similar stats this season to Sam Weidaman playing in a worse side. I’m not going to act like he has half the talent of Weidaman or will become a better player, but for a pick 60 odd he’s tracking relatively well. Tackles hard and wills the ball forward. There’s a place for him long term if he can build a bigger tank and find an extra goal and 3-4 touches a game.

Would prefer if SOS stayed away from decisions around Jack mind you.
 

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SickQwon

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so your happy to have players in your team that hardly touch the ball and kick very few goaks as long as they have hussle?

Or do they also have to be a past greats son?

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I saw what he could do against the dogs, if he could do that on a week by week basis, he'd be best 22 at a few clubs. He's stuck in AFL/VFL purgatory tbh.
 

Yoda_

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He has uber talent, 203cm KPF runs like the wind, elite contested mark and good skills to go with it, it’s a pretty rare combo, there was talk that if he was two weeks younger he could of potentially gone top 3 in the 2016 draft.
He is going to be a knightmare of a match up in a few seasons.

Would like to see Ben played as a forward, he isn’t as highly skilled as Harry, but he can crash packs and would work well in a forward line with Ben Brown.
This is the hard part. Do you go with guys on what they have done (like Oliver) or with guys who are tracking as top 5 of their draft class?

Right now, on this year H.McKay is probably top 10 but a handful of good > very good games he won’t make the top 10 imho


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ferrisb

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This is the hard part. Do you go with guys on what they have done (like Oliver) or with guys who are tracking as top 5 of their draft class?

Right now, on this year H.McKay is probably top 10 but a handful of good > very good games he won’t make the top 10 imho
I like to look at it like this: knowing what I now know about these players... If I had a time machine and could go back to the draft night, how would I rank them on who will have the best career?

3.5 years in, career projections are still based heavily on guesswork of how these players will turn out. But we're a lot more informed than we were back in 2015.
 

Gysberts2Bate

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If Silvagni’s name was Jack Smith no one would bat an eye.

Has similar stats this season to Sam Weidaman playing in a worse side. I’m not going to act like he has half the talent of Weidaman or will become a better player, but for a pick 60 odd he’s tracking relatively well. Tackles hard and wills the ball forward. There’s a place for him long term if he can build a bigger tank and find an extra goal and 3-4 touches a game.

Would prefer if SOS stayed away from decisions around Jack mind you.
Weideman and Curnow have very similar stats too
 

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Weideman is way out of the best 22 in Melbourne's terribly underperforming forward line and Curnow is waaaayyy down on form. Wouldn't read much in to either of those comparisons tbh.
 

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Never really noticed Milera much before but he was genuinely terrible tonight. Missed nearly every target I reckon.
 

markm106

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Weideman is way out of the best 22 in Melbourne's terribly underperforming forward line and Curnow is waaaayyy down on form. Wouldn't read much in to either of those comparisons tbh.
I guess you haven’t watched last two Melbourne games. Weideman has been has played and been our best key forward in an very much underperforming forward line.
 

Love the Drake

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Interesting my post about Carltons post first-round draft failures got deleted :think:
Yeah. Just as interesting...my reply about Essendons diabolical post first-round failures also got deleted. Possibly because I mentioned every year since 2015...which was horrible reading for Essendon fans (but great for the rest of us!).

I’ll keep it to this 2015 draft to stay on topic.

Essendon

Pick 29 – Alex Morgan. 0 games. DELISTED

Pick 30 – Mason Redman. 11 games

Pick 54 – Mitch Brown MATURE AGE RECRUIT. Now 28 y. o. Would not get a game in any other team.

Pick 64 – Yestin Eades. 0 games. DELISTED.

Pick 68 – Michael Hartley. MATURE AGE RECRUIT. Now 26 y.o.

ROOKIES
Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti GREAT PLAYER

Gach Nyuon 0 games

Tom Wallis DELISTED

So of the five 18 y.o’s drafted after the first round by Dodo only one has played a game - Redman. Three have been delisted without playing a game.

Francis dropped again.. looking like a bust as a pick 6.

People in glass houses..
 
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