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kenneje said:
I've been in the car now for 6 hours, can't stop thinking about Hawthorn so have thought this all up. Apologies if too long.

TLDR THREEPEAT MUTHA****AZ

I genuinely think we can go again. The competition will be harder next year than current, but surely we couldn't have as bad an injury run as what we've just had.

If we can manage Burgoyne, Mitchell, Hodge, Lake and Gibson whilst making some clever moves in trade/free agency, there's no reason to think we won't be as strong as 2014 come finals.

The most exciting thing about next year to me is that we have arguably our two best young talents coming back in Whitecross and Anderson.

This is what I'd either expect or like to see happen prior to and during 2015.

OUT
- Sewell - Retire
- Delistings - I'm not sure, but you'd think Wanganeen, Grimley and Ross would have to put a strong case together to list management.
- Schoenmakers + Lowden + Hallahan + Cheney + Pick 19 + Pick 38 - Trade

IN
- Frawley - F/A - $600/700k - Contentious, but we tend to get the best out of players we bring in and at full flight, he's a brilliant full back.

- Tom Mitchell/Dylan Shiel - 3 way trade - Lowden has a lot of interest, so package him and our first round for for a first round upgrade and somehow weasel ourselves into a position where we can get one of the two. Can't say I'm confident, but we've worked wonders before and one of these two would be perfect. Absolute ideal replacements for Mitchell.

- Matt Buntine - Trade - I love this guy. Natural leader, would give Burgoyne and Hodge a chop out next year with the aim of replacing them in a couple years. Can play midfield and defence, has sublime skills, tough and GWS are stocked in this area. Schoenmakers + 38 would get him I reckon, but we could also do Hallahan + 38 for an upgrade on a pick and then Schoenmakers + say 25 for Buntine.

Main Group
DEF
Birchall - Duryea - Gibson - Lake - Litherland - Spangher - Stratton - Suckling - Frawley - Buntine

MID
Anderson - Burgoyne - Ceglar - Hale - Hartung - Hill - Hodge - Langford - Lewis - McEvoy - Mitchell - Shiels - Simpkin - Smith - Whitecross - Woodward - Mitchell

FOR
Breust - Gunston - O'Brien - Puopolo - Rioli - Roughead - Sicily

It would be amazing if we could pull this off.
34 players all capable of playing, and will all be pushing hard for selection.
Pending fitness and surprise retirements, we'd arguably be in a better position than this year.

Management/Contingency Plan
Lake - Frawley
Mitchell - Mitchell
Hodge - Buntine
Burgoyne - Whitecross
Gibson - Stratton/Spangher > Litherland
Hale - Ceglar
Sewell - Langford


My 22 to start the year

FB Stratton - Frawley - Hodge
HB Birchall - Gibson - Burgoyne

MID McEvoy - Lewis - Mitchell
MID Smith - Mitchell - Shiels

HF Breust - Gunston - Hill
FF Rioli - Roughead - Anderson

Int Langford - Puopolo/Litherland/Buntine - Ceglar - Whitecross
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If we could get Tom Mitchell I would blow my load.
 
grumbleguts said:
He fits in, because while he is on the field, 17 others will play as one and a half each.
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Anderson and Hartung will get 12+ senior game next year. So will Litherland I should think. O'Brien is also in his 3rd senior year and should be getting game time. I wonder if they will start resting/dropping guys like Burgoyne and Mitch. Seems hard to believe. Selection next season is going to be very challenging.
 

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seysearles said:
Anderson and Hartung will get 12+ senior game next year. So will Litherland I should think. O'Brien is also in his 3rd senior year and should be getting game time. I wonder if they will start resting/dropping guys like Burgoyne and Mitch. Seems hard to believe. Selection next season is going to be very challenging.
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From what I have seen of O'Brien this year I doubt he's gonna make it. I maybe wrong but at the moment he's an adequate fill-in if Roughie and/or Gunston is not available. I think Sicily may leap frog O'Brien next year for this role and is a better future prospect. Input from others welcome.
 
deanc said:
From what I have seen of O'Brien this year I doubt he's gonna make it. I maybe wrong but at the moment he's an adequate fill-in if Roughie and/or Gunston is not available. I think Sicily may leap frog O'Brien next year for this role and is a better future prospect. Input from others welcome.
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i agree with this statement, O'Brien needs to do something or else he might not be at the HFC for very long, has been god awful for Box Hill too often for my liking, whereas it looks like Sicily has a future as a medium forward.....
 
Davo-27 said:
i agree with this statement, O'Brien needs to do something or else he might not be at the HFC for very long, has been god awful for Box Hill too often for my liking, whereas it looks like Sicily has a future as a medium forward.....
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Davo, what are the differences in the size of these two lads. I understand O'Brien is a little taller but he can't jump and seems tentative in marking contests - whereas Sicily's approach is the opposite and with stronger hands.
 
deanc said:
Davo, what are the differences in the size of these two lads. I understand O'Brien is a little taller but he can't jump and seems tentative in marking contests - whereas Sicily's approach is the opposite and with stronger hands.
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O'Brien 193cm 83kg, he seems like the kind of player that if he doesnt mark the ball, it gets easily rebounded, i'm not a huge fan of players that have no fight in them once the ball isn't gifted to them.......on another note he seems to be droping marks that he didn't drop last year, so he seems to have gotten worse this season than 2013, just my observation, he was basically not there in the VFL Finals this yr.........

Sicily 186cm 77kg, he is that medium sized forward that plays in the mould of Fyfe(if fyfe played forward only), has courage, has aggression, marks the ball at the top of its arc, was amazing in his first VFL finals series, has potential and is flexible with how he plays
 
Davo-27 said:
Sicily 186cm 77kg, he is that medium sized forward that plays in the mould of Fyfe(if fyfe played forward only), has courage, has aggression, marks the ball at the top of its arc, was amazing in his first VFL finals series, has potential and is flexible with how he plays
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Seems, according to the media just needs to stop fighting everyone
 
I was just now able to bring myself to watch some of the '12 GF, first time since. In the light of what's happened since, it was easy, and caused me little consternation. I ended up just smiling.

The shitty part of course is, and I know there's too many variables to say for sure, but kick straight in that game and we could conceivably have our three-peat now, and be going for the quaddy!

Geez we Hawk fans are greedy...
 
I was just now able to bring myself to watch some of the '12 GF, first time since. In the light of what's happened since, it was easy, and caused me little consternation. I ended up just smiling.

The shitty part of course is, and I know there's too many variables to say for sure, but kick straight in that game and we could conceivably have our three-peat now, and be going for the quaddy!

Geez we Hawk fans are greedy...
 
Roddy said:
I was just now able to bring myself to watch some of the '12 GF, first time since. In the light of what's happened since, it was easy, and caused me little consternation. I ended up just smiling.

The shitty part of course is, and I know there's too many variables to say for sure, but kick straight in that game and we could conceivably have our three-peat now, and be going for the quaddy!

Geez we Hawk fans are greedy...
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You never know though, maybe it was the pain of 2012 that led to the glory of 2013 and 2014. Maybe if we'd won 2012 there wouldn't have been enough drive within the group to win it in 2013 and 2014.

Similar to Geelong losing 2008. Perhaps that pain spurred them on to win 2009 and 2011 and the streak they had against us.
 
cryptor said:
You never know though, maybe it was the pain of 2012 that led to the glory of 2013 and 2014. Maybe if we'd won 2012 there wouldn't have been enough drive within the group to win it in 2013 and 2014.

Similar to Geelong losing 2008. Perhaps that pain spurred them on to win 2009 and 2011 and the streak they had against us.
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Yeah they're some of the variables I was talking about...
 

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Holes in our list?

A kpd to replace Lake.
A good tough inside mid.
A second forward to cover for Roughead.

Feels more like a wish list.

Unlike many teams eg Syds and Cats screaming out for rucks and defenders to replace their ageing backlines.
 
To come in and fight for spots next year:

Whitecross
Anderson
Simpkin
Hartung
Schoenmakers
Ceglar
Lowden
Litherland
Hallahan
+- Sewell???
+- any draftees/trades

And possibly blooding to a lesser extent :
Ross
OBrien
Heatherley
Sicily
Wanganeen
Woodward
Wilsmore


Now that's the sort of depth that could go btbtb...
 
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deanc said:
From what I have seen of O'Brien this year I doubt he's gonna make it. I maybe wrong but at the moment he's an adequate fill-in if Roughie and/or Gunston is not available. I think Sicily may leap frog O'Brien next year for this role and is a better future prospect. Input from others welcome.
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Based on the admittedly little i have see of him I have to agree with you but then again KPP's do notoriously take long to develop. I actually remember thinking that Roughead was a bit useless at one point there in 2005-6. O'Brien is 21yrs old in March and you would think that he would need to start becoming a very good Box Hill player pretty bloody quickly if he is going ever make it. Sicily looks really exciting and could very easily break into the team in 2015. I think Wilsmore also has some potential also. Then you have Hallahan, Woodward and Heatherly, all of whom would be expecting game time next season.
 
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Wandering Hawk said:
To come in and fight for spots next year:

Whitecross
Anderson
Simpkin
Hartung
Schoenmakers
Ceglar
Lowden
+- Sewell???
+- any draftees/trades

And possibly blooding to a lesser extent :
Hallahan
Ross
OBrien
Heatherley
Sicily
Wanganeen
Woodward

Now that's the sort of depth that could go btbtb...
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I have basically convinced myself that Schoenmakers and Lowden are out the door. I suspect Hallahan may be in the same boat. You think that's unwarranted?
 
Wandering Hawk said:
To come in and fight for spots next year:

Whitecross
Anderson
Simpkin
Hartung
Schoenmakers
Ceglar
Lowden
+- Sewell???
+- any draftees/trades

And possibly blooding to a lesser extent :
Hallahan
Ross
OBrien
Heatherley
Sicily
Wanganeen
Woodward

Now that's the sort of depth that could go btbtb...
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I'd have Hallahan, Woody and Litherland in the top list.
 

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seysearles said:
Anderson and Hartung will get 12+ senior game next year. So will Litherland I should think. O'Brien is also in his 3rd senior year and should be getting game time. I wonder if they will start resting/dropping guys like Burgoyne and Mitch. Seems hard to believe. Selection next season is going to be very challenging.
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I think we would have done some resting players this year if we hadn't had the injuries we did

I'd like to think Hodge, Mitchlell, Burgoyne & Lewis would only play 19 H&A matches each if they were fit for all of them
 
MightyHawks said:
I think we would have done some resting players this year if we hadn't had the injuries we did

I'd like to think Hodge, Mitchlell, Burgoyne & Lewis would only play 19 H&A matches each if they were fit for all of them
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Less that the olds will be rested in general as policy, and more that they will be rested as needed whenever they get the slightest niggle. No need to risk anyone sore or rush anyone back, the time is well redeemed on the young.
Ten plus depth is astoundingly good.
 
Schoenmakers should stay. Will play better next year hopefully. Was first year post injury.

Lowden was contracted I thought. Given Hale to retire in a year or two, he'd be a good third ruck then. He might well leave, but probably not this year. If someone got injured he'd be laughing.

Hallahan no clue.
 
kenneje said:
FB: Stratton - Lake- Gibson
HB: Birchall - Frawley - Burgoyne

MID: McEvoy - Lewis - Mitchell
MID: Smith - Shiels - Hill

HF:Breust - Gunston - Whitecross
FF: Puopolo - Roughead - Rioli

INT: Hodge - Anderson - Langford - Ceglar
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Suckling Hale Duryea and Spangher aren't going to be very happy with you.
 
seysearles said:
Suckling Hale Duryea and Spangher aren't going to be very happy with you.
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With a fit and healthy list, we're going to have a few selection issues. There are worse problems to have though!
 

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