2015 Trade/FA Discussion (cont. in Pt.2)

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You name 3 blokes, only one of them is a marking option in our forward line. We need a key forward desperately and may well of just lost the best one in this year's draft, for what a meaningless win in round 23.

That best one in this year's draft could've seen the crappy facilities and packed his bags in 2 years. We don't know. Schache could be another Jack Watts, I don't get the end of the world argument here.

If we miss out on Schache, just have to go next best - McKay twins have come up in a few draft boards - both are 200cms and KPPs. Harry is projected a late first rounder, draft and build around them.
 

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Haha im with slax on this one. Freeman might not turn into anything neither might scache but he has the best pedigree of any forwards in last few years. Win against port in 2011built rockliff redden confidence etc why are we in a worse predicament now then if thats the case. Reason is we havent bottomed out and struck quality tall timber. When we are 0 and 5 next season lets see how much the round 23.win meant
 

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I will if it has helped the likes of Andrews, McStay and Taylor regain some confidence in the direction the club is going and resulted in them wanting to stick around and work towards more success. I remember fans labelling a win late in the 2011 season against Port Adelaide as "meaningless" and yet I had a chat to Rockliff one day and he referred to that win as one that instilled some real belief and confidence in the young players and resulted in him, Rich and Redden wanting to carry the team forward and sign on.
Srry but that is BS.
First of all Andrews isn't going anywhere, he is a Queenslander.
McStay looks good but a 50 goal a season Schache is worth more than McStay. Let alone the fact that we could still have both.
 

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It's not the end of the world, the sky isn't falling down. Still every chance to pick up Schache guys. I don't see what all the fuss is about. Everyone is acting like Schache would step straight in to our side next year and kick 50 goals.
 

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It's not the end of the world, the sky isn't falling down. Still every chance to pick up Schache guys. I don't see what all the fuss is about. Everyone is acting like Schache would step straight in to our side next year and kick 50 goals.
I am waiting for "delist Schache" threads next.
 

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Srry but that is BS.
First of all Andrews isn't going anywhere, he is a Queenslander.
McStay looks good but a 50 goal a season Schache is worth more than McStay. Let alone the fact that we could still have both.
Yeah I was hoping to watch another game where we got belted again today.
 

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Yeah I was hoping to watch another game where we got belted again today.
The last few years we have a late surge of wins which produce confidence going into the off-season. Just like how we won today. Great. But it doesn
to translate to next year as we consistently start the season bad. Noone wants to see the Lions lose on here, but l am sick of us being down the bottom because we can't kick a winning score.
 

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I don't get All this carry on over missing out on pick 1.
If we had of had a better year and finished 10th we would have pick 10? Would we complain about that?
I had doubts a few weeks ago over what I preferred but the reality is a strong winning culture beats the hell out of winning spoons for Number 1 picks.
We need to make our club a preferred destination for players. This will help our retention issues and put us in the mix for attracting quality players through trades.
 

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Outside a KPF what would our other main needs be? I have a fair idea but what are others thoughts?
Outside run and carry type player, a line breaker. Hill, Smith, Hartung, Polec types. Darcy Parish would be the one from current draft.

Christensen and Lewy Taylor show a bit of dash but I always feel our midfield is one paced and slow.
 

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We FICKED up massively today. I don't care what the do gooders say about a win being better for the club, get real we just lost pick 1 and possibly pick 2 as well with talk that Kruezer may leave Carlton as a RFA.
Pick 1 doesn't mean much, draft is like a lottery anyway. Also the first pick always has a ton more pressure on them to perform.
 

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100 percent agree . I hate rocking up and having everyone bag my team at work and at the pub. Getting a number 1 pick or key forward would of given us best chance to relaunch. Schache old man played for bears and he stated it would mean a little more to have his name called out by lions. Well thats goke now. Melbourne media alresdy posting media articles about carlton getting pick 2 for kruezer depending on whether a club would take a risk with his injury history. We are Far### without getting a gun forward talent. Look at all teams this year and they all got gun forwards who were high draft picks. Roughie 2 kennedy 4 buddy 5 boyd 1 etc . Francis may turn out to be a great player but our team structure needs a young talented forward like a scahce.
 

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The last few years we have a late surge of wins which produce confidence going into the off-season. Just like how we won today. Great. But it doesn
to translate to next year as we consistently start the season bad. Noone wants to see the Lions lose on here, but l am sick of us being down the bottom because we can't kick a winning score.
I understand that and I want a "blue chip" forward as much as the next fan, but a win like that just brings a sense of belief to a really down team and fan base. We're still likely to get Schache anyway and if not another gun mid never hurts. We have some young forward talent that for once I genuinely believe looks the goods.
 

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If anyone thinks the AFL will let Carlton have pick 1 & 2 you're on something. They're stupid but now that stupid that's some real stupid right there. We will get shache 110% guarantee we will get him.
 

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A smooth outside runner in the Polec/Smith mold would be quite handy. IMO we are set with defenders.
Outside run and carry type player, a line breaker. Hill, Smith, Hartung, Polec types. Darcy Parish would be the one from current draft.

Christensen and Lewy Taylor show a bit of dash but I always feel our midfield is one paced and slow.
Yeah these are IMO probably our biggest need. We do have some pace with Zorko but his disposal is average at best. Would have loved Polec right about now :cry:

I would probably learn to a pure inside ball winner as well as I still think we have trouble extracting the ball out from stoppages well. Hopefully Lester can be that player next year.

We would also have to look to a Martin replacement. Z.Smith from the Suns IMO will be an excellent get and he can play forward better than most ruckman. I hope we don't ever burn another top 20 pick on a Ruck unless they fall to us kinda like Grundy from the Pies.
 

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So our 13 other wins were shit?
13? you need to check your stats mate, 2014 7-15, 2015 4-18. That's 11 all up minus today = 10 wins. Would love to know where the other 3 were.

2013 10-12. So it has taken 44 matches to get more wins that we did in the 22 games the year we sacked a coach for not performing.
 

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100 percent agree . I hate rocking up and having everyone bag my team at work and at the pub. Getting a number 1 pick or key forward would of given us best chance to relaunch. Schache old man played for bears and he stated it would mean a little more to have his name called out by lions. Well thats goke now. Melbourne media alresdy posting media articles about carlton getting pick 2 for kruezer depending on whether a club would take a risk with his injury history. We are Far### without getting a gun forward talent. Look at all teams this year and they all got gun forwards who were high draft picks. Roughie 2 kennedy 4 buddy 5 boyd 1 etc . Francis may turn out to be a great player but our team structure needs a young talented forward like a scahce.
Boyd is yet to do **** all first of all. A common theme with any successful side is a good midfield. Fremantle finished 1st and they don't even have 1 good tall forward. Geelong won premierships without high drafted forwards,it's not the be all end all.
 

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If anyone thinks the AFL will let Carlton have pick 1 & 2 you're on something. They're stupid but now that stupid that's some real stupid right there. We will get shache 110% guarantee we will get him.
wish I shared your optimism. Carlton are a disgrace ATM and will probably force Kruezer out so they can get their bookends for the next decade... knowing the AFL they will combo a slight PP with FA compo to get them pick 2. If they do that they might also do that with us for Berger. Maybe?
 
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Outside run and carry type player, a line breaker. Hill, Smith, Hartung, Polec types. Darcy Parish would be the one from current draft.

Christensen and Lewy Taylor show a bit of dash but I always feel our midfield is one paced and slow.
Midfield one paced and slow? What you talkin 'bout Willis? We could do with some additional outside class and elite decision making, but one paced?

Didn't look one paced and slow today against the team who apparently is one of the slickest going round.

Maybe I'm wrong
 

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Outside a KPF what would our other main needs be? I have a fair idea but what are others thoughts?
Quality ball users from the back half so the likes of Rich, Hanley & Mayes can be the attacking threats they should be.

All played well today. As did Cutler (funnily enough, off half back).

An absolute speed demon wingman and a 3rd tall / mid size goal kicking forward (Stringer, Le Cras, Gunston) too.
 

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What hit Melbourne was two things, an incompetent board run by a favourite son and a stupid decision to sack Bailey and bring in Mark Neeld. Neeld destroyed the rebuild that Bailey was doing and doing reasonably successfully, they won 8 games in each of his last two season, a feat they have not matched since.

Culture, what culture? It starts with strong leadership at board level and that doesn't exist. I've never seen a successful AFL or VFL side with a divided board. I was friends with the late Phil Ryan (Hawthorn President 1968 - 1979), who I can remember saying when discussing football administration,

"It really doesn't matter what sort of playing group you have, if they see a divided administration and infighting at board level, then you will never have on field success. Leadership is just about having the right captain but it begins with the board and flows down from there, not the other way around."

We have a divided board, that is abundantly clear to everyone in football. It has been that way for the best part of the last decade and really doesn't look like settling down.


As for the "see ya" comment. That's what so many in Victoria have not renewed memberships. The Victorian membership base in the decade after the merger was running at between 6,000-9,000 now it is below 3,000 and that has nothing to do with being poor onfield it has everything to do with treating members like $hit for a number of years. We have finally made a slight step forward in acknowledging the Fitzroy fans, but the clubs is still miles behind where we were when Andrew Ireland was CEO. Take this year for example, there was a brilliant opportunity to have a game played prior to the Melbourne v Brisbane game that would of appealed to both clubs, with Old Melbournians v Fitzroy who are both in Premier B in the VAFA, but was it looked at, not for a second. Yet I can remember in 2003 or 2004 Fitzroy VAFA side did play before an AFL game on the MCG, at the time they were in D3, some 4 levels below where they are now.

In the last two years we have gone backwards. Tonight was the best performance under Leppitsch, but in two years under him we are behind where we were in 2013 and are starring at another exodus of talent worse than 2013 with Aish, Leuenburger and Redden all going, rumours surrounding Mayes, Adcock told he isn't required and possibly others to go as well. You can't tell me that if we get a 2013 with 5 players leaving for other clubs we can honestly think Leppa is the man to lead the club forward.
You have brought up a number of things that you may have more insight than most of us - one being unrest and division at board level. I'm of the view that with Leigh Matthews on board that we now have stability and more importantly footy smarts on the board.
You forget that we are still in with a big chance to get Schache at pick 2. What a result it would be that we
- finish the season with a win
- not win the wooden spoon
- get Schache
My disappointment to your post was it was so negative on all fronts. You need to look for the positives and the fact that we have an awful run with injuries this year.
Also, as a Victorian Member since 1997 (formerly Fitzroy), I will always follow the lions regardless of ladder position. I see hope and that's all I need for the short-term. Most of my friends (non-Lions supporters) also see that hope. All my Richmond mates speak highly on Leppa and all my mates speak highly of our younger players like Andrews and Freeman.
Another point, sometimes you need to go backwards to go forwards and I'm hoping this is the case with the Lions.
Keep the faith mate
 

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wish I shared your optimism. Carlton are a disgrace ATM and will probably force Kruezer out so they can get their bookends for the next decade... knowing the AFL they will combo a slight PP with FA compo to get them pick 2. If they do that they might also do that with us for Berger. Maybe?
Both will end up getting 3 or 4 years at $450 - 550K somewhere...they'll end up with 1-2, we'll get 3-4.

Not a bad result considering we have Hipwood and Keays tied up later in the first round if we want to take them.

And whatever we get for Aish (and anyone else that decides to leave).

Add to that the 2-3 experienced players apparently coming in according to Leppa. Mentioned it on our website during the week. Sounded as if they were already OTL too o_O
 
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