2015 Trade/FA Discussion (cont. in Pt.2)

Status
Not open for further replies.

BuntonRules

long term substance abuser
Joined
Dec 30, 2008
Posts
4,892
Likes
4,890
Location
in front of the telly
AFL Club
Brisbane Lions
Other Teams
Whitsunday SeaEagles
All this chicken little shit about Carlton drafting Shache at 1 is doing my head in. I doubt there has ever been a clearer choice as pick 1 than Wietering. There is not a recruiting manager that would pass on him on potential- including us. The carlton faithfull see him as their saviour - the next Judd.

If anyone here wants to PM me, I will give them 2 for 1.
 

(Log in to remove this ad.)

Joined
Oct 20, 2012
Posts
2,226
Likes
1,139
AFL Club
Brisbane Lions
With pick 17 I would like Daniel Rioli and I want the AFL to finally acknowledge the struggles and extreme hardship Fitzroy and now Brisbane are experiencing and give us pick 3 (as leuy compo) so we can take Francis. WE DESERVE IT !!!!!
that would be terrible recruiting given it doesn't fit a need for us, and we have bigger holes in our list

just so you know we have, green, christensen, taylor, zorko, mcgrath

its all well and good to be blown away by good draft results but we need to recruit for needs
 

carnthemlions

Norm Smith Medallist
Joined
Apr 19, 2012
Posts
9,805
Likes
9,982
AFL Club
Brisbane Lions
Other Teams
San Francisco 49ers, Hertha Berlin
I really find it hard to be at all excited about getting Casboult for anything other than a late pick. There's not much out there, I know. If we do get him, I hope no one's expecting too much(and that we aren't paying him much either).
Casboult Freeman Green
Zorko Schache Bundy


Not a bad front 6. Also have McStay, Bell, Taylor, Mayes, etc rotating through.
Where does this leave Close?
Casboult Freeman Schache
I doubt that would be the no.1 combo. They're probably all a bit too similar, would need Close or McStay in for one of them.
 
Joined
May 3, 2005
Posts
87,771
Likes
81,967
Location
Brisbane
AFL Club
Brisbane Lions
Other Teams
Scuderia Ferrari, Dallas Cowboys
Moderator #10,932
I really find it hard to be at all excited about getting Casboult for anything other than a late pick. There's not much out there, I know. If we do get him, I hope no one's expecting too much(and that we aren't paying him much either).

Casboult Freeman Schache
I doubt that would be the no.1 combo. They're probably all a bit too similar, would need Close or McStay in for one of them.
Would enable us to not bring in Schache too early. Leppa has been on the record as saying it's been frustrating with our injury issues that we havent been able to bring players on slowly.

There is certainly a place for a mature gorilla up forward. We are so, so young in the tall forward department.
 

carnthemlions

Norm Smith Medallist
Joined
Apr 19, 2012
Posts
9,805
Likes
9,982
AFL Club
Brisbane Lions
Other Teams
San Francisco 49ers, Hertha Berlin
Would enable us to not bring in Schache too early. Leppa has been on the record as saying it's been frustrating with our injury issues that we havent been able to bring players on slowly.

There is certainly a place for a mature gorilla up forward. We are so, so young in the tall forward department.
True that.
On a side note- will we have anyone under 190cm in the reserves next year? Seems like we might actually have more players over 190cm than under, which would be pretty weird.
 

theteamtobeat

Premiership Player
Joined
Sep 10, 2011
Posts
3,094
Likes
1,815
Location
Melbourne
AFL Club
Brisbane Lions
lol casboult is a dud, you guys really want him?
Compared to Cloke and Jesse White he isn't that bad. Plus if we get him we won't be paying anywhere near $800,000 like with Cloke and actually shown signs that he can improve his kicking technique.
 
Last edited:

theteamtobeat

Premiership Player
Joined
Sep 10, 2011
Posts
3,094
Likes
1,815
Location
Melbourne
AFL Club
Brisbane Lions
I really find it hard to be at all excited about getting Casboult for anything other than a late pick. There's not much out there, I know. If we do get him, I hope no one's expecting too much(and that we aren't paying him much either).

Casboult Freeman Schache
I doubt that would be the no.1 combo. They're probably all a bit too similar, would need Close or McStay in for one of them.
Your thinking about it the wrong way. We will get Casboult + Bell for pick 21. Casboult is a forward ruck and good replacement for West long term.
 

(Log in to remove this ad.)

PattyKwasagun

Premium Platinum
Joined
Sep 18, 2011
Posts
4,642
Likes
6,719
Location
Brisbane
AFL Club
Brisbane Lions
Genuinely astonished that anyone who has watched our dysfunctional forward line in the past 18 months wouldn't think Casboult would be an enormous improvement.

Nothing frustrates me more on this forum than those who believe that any combination of McStay, Freeman, Schache and Close will be able to hold up our forward 50. We've only seen a few key forwards lead a forward line under the age of 23/24 over the past few seasons.

Hogan: One-off kind of player, unusually solid frame for someone of that age, and has had mature alternates in the forward line making it easier for him in Dawes and rotating ruckmen.

Cameron: Quite different to your usual key forward with his skill set. Certainly not comparable to any of our young keys.

Lynch: Had Dixon alongside him, and even then only really started to hold his own in that forward line rather than just show glimpses this season.

Also important to remember that those three examples are all elite talent, a level which despite their talents, McStay, Close and Freeman aren't at. They also played for sides not competing for the finals, so it's hard to know if they would have actually been able to lead a forward line when it matters.

Casboult is not Josh Kennedy or Tom Hawkins. But that's why he might be gettable. What he is is a key forward who can take a contested grab in the perfect age bracket to lead the forward line while Freeman, Close, McStay and Schache develop underneath him. He could finally give our forward line some structure - the main reason we've sent Merrett forward numerous times over the past few seasons.

I'm personally pretty bullish on Casboult's potential to develop further and become a very good key forward, but even if he is just a role player, he will be playing a role we currently have nobody else to play. It makes sense on so many levels. In some ways it reminds me of when Shulz went to Port.

I strongly believe we need a more mature key forward option this trade period, and if it's not Casboult then the other options are Jesse White and Chris Dawes.

The point I really want to make though is that McStay, Freeman, Schache and Close in any form will not be a good forward line next season. Likely not the year after that either. They're too young to hold up the forward 50 on their own - AFL precedent couldn't be much clearer on that. Browny was one of the best young key forwards to play the game, but he only went so well because of Lynch and Bradshaw.

We have some exciting young key forward prospects with the likelihood of adding another in November, but we need someone to lead that forward line until they're ready. Because they just quite simply aren't yet.
 
Joined
Feb 9, 2010
Posts
1,567
Likes
1,430
Location
Melbourne
AFL Club
Brisbane Lions
Casboult Freeman Green
Zorko Schache Bundy


Not a bad front 6. Also have McStay, Bell, Taylor, Mayes, etc rotating through.
Where does this leave Close?
Yeah I suppose most teams have a young forward or forwards being able to develop or spend time in the reserves. Although it's something we arnt used to, having one of them be able to miss would be a healthy luxury.
 
Joined
Feb 9, 2010
Posts
1,567
Likes
1,430
Location
Melbourne
AFL Club
Brisbane Lions
Genuinely astonished that anyone who has watched our dysfunctional forward line in the past 18 months wouldn't think Casboult would be an enormous improvement.

Nothing frustrates me more on this forum than those who believe that any combination of McStay, Freeman, Schache and Close will be able to hold up our forward 50. We've only seen a few key forwards lead a forward line under the age of 23/24 over the past few seasons.

Hogan: One-off kind of player, unusually solid frame for someone of that age, and has had mature alternates in the forward line making it easier for him in Dawes and rotating ruckmen.

Cameron: Quite different to your usual key forward with his skill set. Certainly not comparable to any of our young keys.

Lynch: Had Dixon alongside him, and even then only really started to hold his own in that forward line rather than just show glimpses this season.

Also important to remember that those three examples are all elite talent, a level which despite their talents, McStay, Close and Freeman aren't at. They also played for sides not competing for the finals, so it's hard to know if they would have actually been able to lead a forward line when it matters.

Casboult is not Josh Kennedy or Tom Hawkins. But that's why he might be gettable. What he is is a key forward who can take a contested grab in the perfect age bracket to lead the forward line while Freeman, Close, McStay and Schache develop underneath him. He could finally give our forward line some structure - the main reason we've sent Merrett forward numerous times over the past few seasons.

I'm personally pretty bullish on Casboult's potential to develop further and become a very good key forward, but even if he is just a role player, he will be playing a role we currently have nobody else to play. It makes sense on so many levels. In some ways it reminds me of when Shulz went to Port.

I strongly believe we need a more mature key forward option this trade period, and if it's not Casboult then the other options are Jesse White and Chris Dawes.

The point I really want to make though is that McStay, Freeman, Schache and Close in any form will not be a good forward line next season. Likely not the year after that either. They're too young to hold up the forward 50 on their own - AFL precedent couldn't be much clearer on that. Browny was one of the best young key forwards to play the game, but he only went so well because of Lynch and Bradshaw.

We have some exciting young key forward prospects with the likelihood of adding another in November, but we need someone to lead that forward line until they're ready. Because they just quite simply aren't yet.
Great post. Agree on all points, and those 3 young players you mentioned are leading forward lines in losing teams. Casboult is perfect for what we can afford. He is still young.. He will be better by 28 and if he goes backwards, close, freeman, Mcstay will be 25ish by then and we can cut him lol
 
Joined
Aug 13, 2010
Posts
95
Likes
80
Location
in a house
AFL Club
Brisbane Lions
Don't worry, Bastinac isn't coming to us. Talk is he might be going to Melbourne for Howe.
Having had a bit to do with Ryan, if we were to get him, I know one thing- he's an aerobic freak.

Would easily be in the top 3 on our list in terms of running, and I'd say we could use as many extra hard running mids as we can get- particularly with the change in rotations. Can struggle a little at times with contested footy.

Basically a swap for aish, only a better athlete
 

dlanod

Moderator
Joined
Sep 14, 2006
Posts
39,349
Likes
48,255
Location
Sydney
AFL Club
Brisbane Lions
Other Teams
GWS; CCMariners; NQCowboys; Ravens
Moderator #10,944
With pick 17 I would like Daniel Rioli and I want the AFL to finally acknowledge the struggles and extreme hardship Fitzroy and now Brisbane are experiencing
I read up to there and felt compelled to point out that you can't draft abstract concepts or AFL acknowledgment with a draft pick. ;)
 

DaZorko

Team Captain
Joined
Aug 26, 2012
Posts
380
Likes
106
AFL Club
Brisbane Lions
Genuinely astonished that anyone who has watched our dysfunctional forward line in the past 18 months wouldn't think Casboult would be an enormous improvement.

Nothing frustrates me more on this forum than those who believe that any combination of McStay, Freeman, Schache and Close will be able to hold up our forward 50. We've only seen a few key forwards lead a forward line under the age of 23/24 over the past few seasons.

Hogan: One-off kind of player, unusually solid frame for someone of that age, and has had mature alternates in the forward line making it easier for him in Dawes and rotating ruckmen.

Cameron: Quite different to your usual key forward with his skill set. Certainly not comparable to any of our young keys.

Lynch: Had Dixon alongside him, and even then only really started to hold his own in that forward line rather than just show glimpses this season.

Also important to remember that those three examples are all elite talent, a level which despite their talents, McStay, Close and Freeman aren't at. They also played for sides not competing for the finals, so it's hard to know if they would have actually been able to lead a forward line when it matters.

Casboult is not Josh Kennedy or Tom Hawkins. But that's why he might be gettable. What he is is a key forward who can take a contested grab in the perfect age bracket to lead the forward line while Freeman, Close, McStay and Schache develop underneath him. He could finally give our forward line some structure - the main reason we've sent Merrett forward numerous times over the past few seasons.

I'm personally pretty bullish on Casboult's potential to develop further and become a very good key forward, but even if he is just a role player, he will be playing a role we currently have nobody else to play. It makes sense on so many levels. In some ways it reminds me of when Shulz went to Port.

I strongly believe we need a more mature key forward option this trade period, and if it's not Casboult then the other options are Jesse White and Chris Dawes.

The point I really want to make though is that McStay, Freeman, Schache and Close in any form will not be a good forward line next season. Likely not the year after that either. They're too young to hold up the forward 50 on their own - AFL precedent couldn't be much clearer on that. Browny was one of the best young key forwards to play the game, but he only went so well because of Lynch and Bradshaw.

We have some exciting young key forward prospects with the likelihood of adding another in November, but we need someone to lead that forward line until they're ready. Because they just quite simply aren't yet.
Yeah but when they kick 7 goals in the Neafl you havent got much to hang your hat on. Jordan Lilse was prime example. Also was Cornelius, better off chucking them in the deep end. If I was playing Neafl id leave after 2 years for better opportunitys elsewhere too. Even worse is both struggled in the senoirs.
 

PattyKwasagun

Premium Platinum
Joined
Sep 18, 2011
Posts
4,642
Likes
6,719
Location
Brisbane
AFL Club
Brisbane Lions
Yeah but when they kick 7 goals in the Neafl you havent got much to hang your hat on. Jordan Lilse was prime example. Also was Cornelius, better off chucking them in the deep end. If I was playing Neafl id leave after 2 years for better opportunitys elsewhere too. Even worse is both struggled in the senoirs.
You see the difference though, right? We picked up Cornelius in the draft and Lisle essentially from another club's VFL list. Casboult has been a consistent senior AFL level forward for Carlton. We haven't recruited a forward of his calibre in a while. Not saying he's a superstar - although I reiterate that I do think he has a lot of room left to improve - but he is at the very least a proven mature AFL key forward role player.

Takes the best defender, can take a contested mark, straightens his side up and gives them something to kick to - he's exactly what we need in that regard. I'm not as hopeful that Freeman, Close & McStay will turn into gun full forwards as many on here are (going on the odds in the league we'd be doing very well if one did, let alone all three), but even if they do become great players able to lead a forward line it won't be for a number of years.

So again, I think there are four options:

1 - Levi Casboult
2 - Chris Dawes
3 - Jesse White
4 - A dysfunctional forward line for another season

And the most absurd thing is, we're not talking about giving up something insane for them. Pick 21's a good pick, but to get two proven AFL players with plenty of scope for improvement for it would be an incredible trade. As I said, I'm genuinely a bit surprised that anyone who has watched us well over the past few years and has watched these two well over the past few years could be unhappy with 21 for both of them. It's an astonishingly good trade for us. So good that I thought there had been a typo in the article.
 
Joined
Apr 12, 2015
Posts
1,357
Likes
1,559
AFL Club
Brisbane Lions
Considering we have one best kicking forwards that will be coaching him next year. Browny
Anyone who watched our games this year has to know we are screaming out for a big forward. There is talk that we can possibly get one and now half the crew on here are all " oh no I don't want that one", c Mon guys. Tip-we ain't getting Hawkins Kennedy or Cameron and he is on the next line so cross your fingers we can get him.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top Bottom