List Mgmt. 2015 Trade, Free agency and draft rumours

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I am not attacking Jed. It is ungrateful to seek a trade given what lengths the club has gone to to provide him with an ability to set up his family, pressure free, and to try and get his body right. It doesn't mean he is a bad person or incapable of feeling or learning or anything like that. But good people make bad choices and mistakes all the time, that's life. No one is perfect.
And other clubs wouldn't allow him to?
 

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I'm not suprised by this. I had feeling he'd leave. He was behind Langford and Hartung in the 'pecking order'.

We've still got plenty of talent on our list. Brand, Heatherley and Miles will all make their debuts in 2016, Dan Howe and James Sicily will feature prominently as well.

Losing Anderson isn't going to set us back at all. I mean we managed to three-peat without him.
 

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You're right, it's virtually impossible for Collingwood to get both Aish and Trelor
Collingwood will get a second rounder for both Freeman and Seedsman you'd think

That means that they'd have this years first & second rounders plus 2 extra second rounders plus next years first rounder
Is that enough to get both Aish & Treloar?

Trealor seemingly gettable again? Gws not accepting pies pick 7 and next year's 2nd rounder.

Now, what can we offer to usurp the pies, and blues, if at all possible?

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I'd be ready to give up our first & second rounders and the compensation pick for Suckling plus WhiteX and Simpkin for Treloar

We do need to ensure we are pumping some games into kids
These guys all need to play a minimum 5 games in 2016:
JOR, Anderson, Hartung, Howe, W Langford, Litherland, Miles, Sicily and if warranted TOB & Brand

The best way of doing it is playing Hodge/Mitchell/Burgoyne/Lewis no more than 18 H&A matches each

Losing 4 of our first 8 this year was a major reason why we weren't as keen to rotate players during the middle of the season
 

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Cool, so Jed actually holds the beep-test record, is a gut-running player willing to sacrifice his game for that of the team & listens to coaches when told how to improve his game?

IMO he's better than Suckers, but unless he's a HBF with Suckling's skills/attributes, being 'better' is kinda irrelevant, don't you think?
Hold on, let's re-wind to the original post, it was worded as a direct question to little Jed Anderson on who he thought he was better than.(with arguably a disingenuous cast list)

Now you'll notice that I've answered in quotation marks, ie I'm answering in the voice of Jed Anderson and also I've put it in small letters to indicate a certain weakness to the argument emanating from the lips of little Jed.

This isn't my opinion, I'm having a bit of fun, but you could argue that if Jed was going to make it into the side it wouldn't be to replace Burgoyne or Hodge or even Liam Shiels it would have been to take out the 22nd man, which at times might have been Langford, perhaps even Schoenmakers but more often than not is Hartung, and no clearly he isn't the same type of player but on the top of his game he would probably be considered at least a better sub option due to his inside game and superior ball winning ability. The fact that Gunston came in and Hartung was omitted shows that it's not about like for like when we're getting down to that 22nd position and therefore your irrelevant comment above is somewhat misguided (but honestly I'm not looking for a debate/ argument on any of these things).

I'm still demob happy from the flag and clearly on a seriousness miss match with people that have switched straight over into trading mode, it's the second incident of this nature I've had in 2 days, which suggests that the problem lies more with me than the other party, so I'll refrain from any attempts at humourous responses for a while, as they're dropping out of the sky like lead balloons at the moment.
 

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Collingwood will get a second rounder for both Freeman and Seedsman you'd think

That means that they'd have this years first & second rounders plus 2 extra second rounders plus next years first rounder
Is that enough to get both Aish & Treloar?



I'd be ready to give up our first & second rounders and the compensation pick for Suckling plus WhiteX and Simpkin for Treloar

We do need to ensure we are pumping some games into kids
These guys all need to play a minimum 5 games in 2016:
JOR, Anderson, Hartung, Howe, W Langford, Litherland, Miles, Sicily and if warranted TOB & Brand

The best way of doing it is playing Hodge/Mitchell/Burgoyne/Lewis no more than 18 H&A matches each

Losing 4 of our first 8 this year was a major reason why we weren't as keen to rotate players during the middle of the season
Treloar is chasing the dollars not money. Ild rather a guy who wants to come to hawthorn and buy in rather then "want to go to a club whos willing to pay me X and also be competitive
 

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Hold on, let's re-wind to the original post, it was worded as a direct question to little Jed Anderson on who he thought he was better than.(with arguably a disingenuous cast list)

Now you'll notice that I've answered in quotation marks, ie I'm answering in the voice of Jed Anderson and also I've put it in small letters to indicate a certain weakness to the argument emanating from the lips of little Jed.

This isn't my opinion, I'm having a bit of fun, but you could argue that if Jed was going to make it into the side it wouldn't be to replace Burgoyne or Hodge or even Liam Shiels it would have been to take out the 22nd man, which at times might have been Langford, perhaps even Schoenmakers but more often than not is Hartung, and no clearly he isn't the same type of player but on the top of his game he would probably be considered at least a better sub option due to his inside game and superior ball winning ability. The fact that Gunston came in and Hartung was omitted shows that it's not about like for like when we're getting down to that 22nd position and therefore your irrelevant comment above is somewhat misguided (but honestly I'm not looking for a debate/ argument on any of these things).

I'm still demob happy from the flag and clearly on a seriousness miss match with people that have switched straight over into trading mode, it's the second incident of this nature I've had in 2 days, which suggests that the problem lies more with me than the other party, so I'll refrain from any attempts at humourous responses for a while, as they're dropping out of the sky like lead balloons at the moment.
OK, I'll take a deep breathe & calm down a li'l.

You're correct (IMO), in that Jedi is better than a couple of dudes who frequent our B-22, even on GF day. But that, from what I read, is the issue. Nobody that I've ever heard/read doubt his ability or talent. Yet other guys get games ahead of him. Nobody in their right mind can consider that his talent doesn't hold him in stead for the future. So, there is 1 of 2 reasons in my understanding:

1. Other developing players, be it due to position or their needs, require games above Jedi. We've not been a club to play A over B on individual needs so I don't believe this to be correct;

2. The club has given Jedi a bunch of instructions with advice that carrying them out will be rewarded by his selection. I doubt it, as it would mean dropping someone who may not deserve it; or,

3. Jedi has been told to learn his craft at the lower level such that he's ready for when a spot is ready for the taking, rather than trying to learn at the higher level & his apprenticeship taking twice as long or resulting in us fielding a lesser team. A TEAM, made up of guys who started something 10 years ago & have all waited their turn & paid their price etc.

Like others, I don't see how Jedi's reported actions/positions are reflective of the situation from the club's perspective.
 

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He was going to get a real shot at it next year...has decided to leave, he deserves his whack.
Actually, he's probably been told that privately for the last 3 years, so Clarko making a point of vocalising it after the GF sounded a bit ... well perhaps music to the ears of adoring fans, but same ol, same ol to Jed.

He's also sat by and watched as other players have been brought into the club and gone passed him. And probably knows a lot more about who we're chasing, and so who else he may be slipping behind. So he would have known the score before he sat down with Clarko for the end of season review.

Ive only ever seen glimpses, and they've been very good, and then the wraps from BHH which have been epic, truly heartening. But, then I see when he's had his chances, he hasn't seized them and demanded his spot inthe 22. I watched closely against GWS, and he was timid, beaten, disinterested, whatever (on a day when Langers showed great heart, but got smashed), and I saw on that day maybe why despite his talent he was let go from GWS, namely, he just couldn't match it with the bigger bodies. What?!?! Yeah, I know he once tackled JK and kicked a goal in a final, but on this day, given his chance, he did nothing. And injuries aside, he hasn't been back.

I dunno. Hate to see the situation turn sour here, but I fully expect it'll be a repeat of the JK saga from a few years back. All 'he said, she said', supporters bitching and carrying on about loyalty, betrayal and character assasination in general etc. Then others 'in the know' piping up to to reveal the type of shit that should be reserved for the Buddy thread, to have the final say to preserve the image and legacy of the club etc.

Or, just accept this is all smoke and mirrors and that he is signed and will be at the club next year. After alI, it's has already been declared.

Myself, great trade bait. And we need a bigger bodied mid.
 

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Actually, he's probably been told that privately for the last 3 years, so Clarko making a point of vocalising it after the GF sounded a bit ... well perhaps music to the ears of adoring fans, but same ol, same ol to Jed.

He's also sat by and watched as other players have been brought into the club and gone passed him. And probably knows a lot more about who we're chasing, and so who else he may be slipping behind. So he would have known the score before he sat down with Clarko for the end of season review.

Ive only ever seen glimpses, and they've been very good, and then the wraps from BHH which have been epic, truly heartening. But, then I see when he's had his chances, he hasn't seized them and demanded his spot inthe 22. I watched closely against GWS, and he was timid, beaten, disinterested, whatever (on a day when Langers showed great heart, but got smashed), and I saw on that day maybe why despite his talent he was let go from GWS, namely, he just couldn't match it with the bigger bodies. What?!?! Yeah, I know he once tackled JK and kicked a goal in a final, but on this day, given his chance, he did nothing. And injuries aside, he hasn't been back.

I dunno. Hate to see the situation turn sour here, but I fully expect it'll be a repeat of the JK saga from a few years back. All 'he said, she said', supporters bitching and carrying on about loyalty, betrayal and character assasination in general etc. Then others 'in the know' piping up to to reveal the type of shit that should be reserved for the Buddy thread, to have the final say to preserve the image and legacy of the club etc.

Or, just accept this is all smoke and mirrors and that he is signed and will be at the club next year. After alI, it's has already been declared.

Myself, great trade bait. And we need a bigger bodied mid.
He wasn't great in that GWS game, but he went back to the VFL and killed it while we had Suckling and Hill playing bruise free in the seniors. I love Howe but from a form point of view, I was surprised he was given games and thought Anderson deserved games over him.
 

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I am not attacking Jed. It is ungrateful to seek a trade given what lengths the club has gone to to provide him with an ability to set up his family, pressure free, and to try and get his body right. It doesn't mean he is a bad person or incapable of feeling or learning or anything like that. But good people make bad choices and mistakes all the time, that's life. No one is perfect.

Jed might not see this in as serious a light as posters are making out- but that is the inherent problem. If he doesn't see the issue exploring this creates or the ramifications of such a choice- then not only is it ungrateful, it is naive at best. An impetuous choice from a head strong young man who has the world at his feet but is choosing to bite the hand that feeds him. If he thinks this will make life easier or provide opportunity without having to deal with the issues that have kept him from senior football- then he is wrong.
Similar story to the fella that went to Syd after we beat dockers in gf.
Club did so much for that kid & his family.
Kid grew up (a little) people got in his ear & he thought the grass was greener.

I wasn't.



Was it Lance?
 

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Eh. I'm only concerned whether Wright gets adequate compensation for Anderson. We can't be our usual nice Hawks selves on the trade table. Have to play this hard ball. Honestly, should only be a first round pick or no deal.

Anything higher than that, and we have sold part of our future down the river and I'll be livid with Hawks management.
 

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OK, I'll take a deep breathe & calm down a li'l.

You're correct (IMO), in that Jedi is better than a couple of dudes who frequent our B-22, even on GF day. But that, from what I read, is the issue. Nobody that I've ever heard/read doubt his ability or talent. Yet other guys get games ahead of him. Nobody in their right mind can consider that his talent doesn't hold him in stead for the future. So, there is 1 of 2 reasons in my understanding:

1. Other developing players, be it due to position or their needs, require games above Jedi. We've not been a club to play A over B on individual needs so I don't believe this to be correct;

2. The club has given Jedi a bunch of instructions with advice that carrying them out will be rewarded by his selection. I doubt it, as it would mean dropping someone who may not deserve it; or,

3. Jedi has been told to learn his craft at the lower level such that he's ready for when a spot is ready for the taking, rather than trying to learn at the higher level & his apprenticeship taking twice as long or resulting in us fielding a lesser team. A TEAM, made up of guys who started something 10 years ago & have all waited their turn & paid their price etc.

Like others, I don't see how Jedi's reported actions/positions are reflective of the situation from the club's perspective.
Honestly Brant I don't disagree with anything that you've said, my post was nothing more than a flippant remark channeling my own little inner Jed.

On the serious side of his career thus far, I was actually almost completely sure that he'd make an unarguable case for selection this year and it was perhaps his misfortune to get picked right from the start whereupon his form was pretty poor and the side in general was up and own like a yo-yo and I don't think he ever did enough to demand a recall.

If he'd started at BH he may well have come into the side with the team playing better and his own form may have benefited but for sure we'll never know.

Obviously I don't get to BH games but from reading the reports it seems like largely he's gone ok without really dominating all that often and my feeling is that he'll never be a big accumulator of the ball but I still hope that he'll come through for us, Billy Hartung has grabbed his chance with both hands and not let anyone down and it's fair to say that Jed is at Yabby Jeans' crossroads and he has to step up or step down.
 
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This off season is quickly starting to look like a deliberate tactical retreat. I don't feel like the club has their eyes on a fourth straight and are instead looking to carefully descend from the top of the mountain before we 'fall off the cliff' so to speak. If Clarko and Co. had decided to go for a fourth straight I'm sure they would have been able to sell it to the players and retain all potentially valuable players. I could be wrong but I feel like the moves are in motion for something similar to what Collingwood has done under Buckley. Although their retreat was very much forced by salary cap pressures and a new coach needing to build his own group I think that by stepping away from challenging for a few years whilst carefully managing expectations has drastically reduced their cycle and are in the sweet spot for rapid improvement in the next few years (like us in 2005/6). Contrast this to how Sheedy basically bled the Scum dry for near on 10 years destroying his legacy. Clarko plans to be around for a while yet hopefully and I personally would love to see how he guides the club through the next cycle.
 

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I'm not suprised by this. I had feeling he'd leave. He was behind Langford and Hartung in the 'pecking order'.

We've still got plenty of talent on our list. Brand, Heatherley and Miles will all make their debuts in 2016, Dan Howe and James Sicily will feature prominently as well.

Losing Anderson isn't going to set us back at all. I mean we managed to three-peat without him.
Anderson will be a better player than Langford going forward ( Health Permitting)
 

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Looks to me like the kid is open to be traded & see what he's worth. Hawks are letting him look & see what teams are going to offer. Jed wouldn't be classed as expendable but if the price was right ( next years 8-15 draft pick ) he might be gone. JK comparison ... Yes. Did the Hawks move on... Yes. Would we like to keep someone like that... Yes. From a club perspective its business as usual with "overs" in mind. From Jeds perspective... He's a 21 yr old with a family, who from my own experience, changes you thinking dramaticlly. He doesn't have the luxury of sitting on the back burner to develop his game to AA level, that we all expect, to be paid accordingly. If I were him I would do the same. Family would be first & formost in this kids decision to look at other clubs offers to secure his family's future. I wish him all the best if he leaves! But I bloody hope he stays. All of the kids coming through HAVE to get games this year. Our midfield generals HAVE to be managed ( I agree with around 18 ) to get these kids games. IMO another strong pre season from these kids is going to give the Hawks the luxury to do this & when the dust settles this time next season the batton will have been passed to these kids with a BOOM recruit to go with the next gen of Hawthorn
 

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Not too fussed with Jed. We hold the upper hand here and should get overs or he stays and plays next year for a win-win. It seems Hawks are also as willing to explore the opportunity further and who knows we may even snare a trade of the magnitude of Big Boy, from left field. If not we shore up our picks.

The question for me is can we win it in 16 and even 17 during a mini rebuild (i sure dont mind a mini rebuild now that we've got a hatrick in our back pocket), where we get no new best 22 coming in and where we soley rely on our youngsters rising and coming thru particularly Hartung, Langers, Howe and JOR. Clarko and the club are competitive beasts by nature and wont want to drop off like we did in 09-10 so we're in good hands.

So far Lake, Hale and Suckers gone from this premiership team whilst a peripheral player in Jed wants out. All players except Jed not part of the future and even then there's a question mark on Jed actually coming thru.

Intriguing trade period coming up, where i think we'll try to shore up our stocks for the 16 and 17 drafts, like a JOM, Whitfield or Sheil.

If we can do this, setting us up nicely for when Hodge, Mitch, Burgers, Gibbo et all call it a day during which we snag our fourth in a row then we truly will be masters of this universe, if we aren't already.

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Players get squeezed out when you have sustained sucess. Jed has every right to look around. Its hard to say he is a required player if he is not yet in the best 22 and Jed may feel he needs a fresh start

Let him go if we get a good deal and bundle our 2nd round or first round pick with him and try and get into the top 10 for the first time since 06
 

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One for people to ponder .....
Those who watched BH religiously would support me when I say Jed's time in the middle and on ball was far less than that played as a small fwd , a lot !!
Why ?!!
Is he really a mid :cool:
A decent offer and I see is taking it for small fed .
And for what it's worth a said last year I thought Jed was a high risk of leaving and got howled down on the forum , as another poster stated I think the club new exactly what they where doing when signing him for one yr !!
 

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Players get squeezed out when you have sustained sucess. Jed has every right to look around. Its hard to say he is a required player if he is not yet in the best 22 and Jed may feel he needs a fresh start

Let him go if we get a good deal and bundle our 2nd round or first round pick with him and try and get into the top 10 for the first time since 06
If we were to get a top 10 pick, let's hope we use it better than we did in '06.
 
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