List Mgmt. 2016 AFL Draft

[ChampRevesby]

That's a pretty uninspiring list of names.

Snadden is a rookie and a long shot to make it.

Parto played well at the end of last season but doesn't have any standout traits.

Nelson will either be a tagger or a HBFer.

Mutimer was a late pick and a medium-long shot to make it.

Duggan could barely touch the ball at WAFL-level last year. Still easily our best young prospect if he puts it all together.

Sheed should rate a mention.

Redden is a fraud.

So why didn't the club just release them instead of keeping everyone on the Senior list but Snadden? Obviously the club see them as investments and they are going to do what they can as a development group to see them push for senior spots.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

So why didn't the club just release them instead of keeping everyone but Snadden on the rookie list?

Because there was a lot of trash to clear and most listed are early days.

I'm only crystal balling here, obviously. The club likely views them differently. After all, this is an organisation that isn't willing to pay out Fraser McInnes and is considering getting Petrie still.

 

[squashface]

That's a pretty uninspiring list of names.

Snadden is a rookie and a long shot to make it.

Parto played well at the end of last season but doesn't have any standout traits.

Nelson will either be a tagger or a HBFer.

Mutimer was a late pick and a medium-long shot to make it.

Duggan could barely touch the ball at WAFL-level last year. Still easily our best young prospect if he puts it all together.

Sheed should rate a mention.

Redden is a fraud.

I was legit about to post this almost word for word you campaigner

 

[Galileo9]

I can see why smith would lose to obrien in yelling match:

Berry
Pepper-Powell
Berry
Pepper-Powell

It's just too much of a mouthful to say SPP's name. Lose all momentum in the arguement.

 

[getgaff]

I think the club has a more pressing need for a dynamic forward type given an aging Lecras, Hill and JK.

If his available at our second pick there's a tall forward that's on the shortlist for us according to a nameless source.

As a small forward Jy Simpkin is in the mix for our first pick if not snaffled by the Swans. Berry is my first preference and has been for a bit but before that Simpkin was a preference for me as that electric small forward.

I think he'd be a great fit. But don't want to see us try and make a midfielder out of him, at least not early in his senior career.

 

[Keys]

Happy to get behind Berry and hope he succeeds if that's how the cards fall or whoever else we draft for that matter

Doesn't change my preference that we draft SPP. Nor will it stop me from pointing out I told you so when SPP becomes a jet

Will also accept I was wrong if he doesn't reach the levels I think he will

One more sleep I guess and we can all pump up the tyres of whoever we pick whilst simultaneously melting over who we should have

 

[Galileo9]

What's the Ebert-Dangerfield thing?

Are you serious?

Whole town almost burnt down because Adelaide picked that Victorian and not Ebert. Ebert family is practically royalty in South Aus. Not sure what's the equivalent here.....triple matera name maybe.

 

[ZergMinion]

List all of the names you like, I don't see many A graders or blokes who offer what SPP would.

A hard nut with questionable disposal and composure who averages 20 disposals at colts level...Yeah...I can see that helping our midfield in the short term.

Ok...that was actual trolling, but I don't think going nuclear when SPP's name isn't read out is really worth your time. He's a fair way short of being a messiah for our midfield....maybe he could turn into an A grader but the odds aren't in his favour. Besides...any single draft pick can be an unforseen total dud, so it's much better to view the draft as a whole rather than get worked up over one pick.

The plethora of midfielders we have already recruited recently deserve a little longer to show what they have.

 

[happy_eagle]

Literally have not paid any attention to the draft at all
I see that we have Pick 12. Who are we likely to get and what is the consensus on them as players

I would have read this thread, but its too long

 

[getgaff]

I can see why smith would lose to obrien in yelling match:

Berry
Pepper-Powell
Berry
Pepper-Powell

It's just too much of a mouthful to say SPP's name. Lose all momentum in the arguement.

They'd alllow Smith to call him Shaker for equalisation purposes.

Can't rock the boat of the WA recruiting staff to much or they'd throw there toys out of the cot

 

[getgaff]

Literally have not paid any attention to the draft at all
I see that we have Pick 12. Who are we likely to get and what is the consensus on them as players

I would have read this thread, but its too long

The debate is Jarred Berry (Vic Country) or Sam Powell Pepper (WA). My vote for Berry is in the strong minority

 

[bUCKET__]

Not too fussed about who we pick with our first, but second pick should be interesting to see if anyone slides.

Mightn't get a Bolton or SPP, but given the noise about the depth there should be a reach or two in the second round that sees us get someone quite highly rated with our second.

This will be a huge draft for telling us how the club rates our list though. If we stack up on mids and flankers, it does not bode well for what the club thinks of our young blokes and their expected development.

Mostly just gunna enjoy the melts on BF tho

 

[Galileo9]

Literally have not paid any attention to the draft at all
I see that we have Pick 12. Who are we likely to get and what is the consensus on them as players

I would have read this thread, but its too long

People want pepper Powell just in case he turns into a star so we don't get teased. And because he is west Australian.

Missing out on berry doesn't matter. Even if he turns into a star that's ok, he ain't a west Aussie, so that's ok.

But really, both don't look like inspiring picks. Neither can kick and apart from a game here or there, can't find enough of the ball. But PP can run fast in straight line and has facial looks similar to Dustin Martin, so obviously he also will play like him.

And our recruiting staff are bickering. Which is actually a good thing. Things don't get trashed out properly if people just agree.

 

[Godfather32]

Are you serious?

Whole town almost burnt down because Adelaide picked that Victorian and not Ebert. Ebert family is practically royalty in South Aus. Not sure what's the equivalent here.....triple matera name maybe.

I was overseas around that time ruining my liver in various bars in the UK, didn't get much chance to keep up with the footy. I knew Ebert was a big footy name in SA, didn't realise it caused so much angst when he was overlooked.

 

[eagles rule]

Will be a Berry good choice at pick 12 ..

 

[mattyc75]

I really hope spp or Bolton have pulled a rioli and told clubs they want to stay in Perth

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[Godfather32]

People want pepper Powell just in case he turns into a star so we don't get teased. And because he is west Australian.

Missing out on berry doesn't matter. Even if he turns into a star that's ok, he ain't a west Aussie, so that's ok.

But really, both don't look like inspiring picks. Neither can kick and apart from a game here or there, can't find enough of the ball. But PP can run fast in straight line and has facial looks similar to Dustin Martin, so obviously he also will play like him.

And our recruiting staff are bickering. Which is actually a good thing. Things don't get trashed out properly if people just agree.

I want SPP because I think he has the chance of becoming a star, and I've watched him play a few games this year. None of the other guys we have a realistic chance to take around our pick really do much for me.

 

[Galileo9]

I was overseas around that time ruining my liver in various bars in the UK, didn't get much chance to keep up with the footy. I knew Ebert was a big footy name in SA, didn't realise it caused so much angst when he was overlooked.

If only I could find the articles...it was a scandal. Then they saw Dangerfield play. So it did change quickly.

Adelaide from memory rated him at no3. I don't know about us but moot point anyway. We also liked ward but got pipped by dogs.

 

[ChampRevesby]

Regardless of what happens I'm going to back the clubs decision in this draft. We have a good mix of players at the moment and with Sammy coming on board everyone is going to get a lift.

 

[Bestbird]

A hard nut with questionable disposal and composure who averages 20 disposals at colts level...Yeah...I can see that helping our midfield in the short term.

Ok...that was actual trolling, but I don't think going nuclear when SPP's name isn't read out is really worth your time. He's a fair way short of being a messiah for our midfield....maybe he could turn into an A grader but the odds aren't in his favour. Besides...any single draft pick can be an unforseen total dud, so it's much better to view the draft as a whole rather than get worked up over one pick.

The plethora of midfielders we have already recruited recently deserve a little longer to show what they have.

Pretty much agree with this. still like SPP as a hard nut but then again so is Berry to a degree. these are traits that we currently lack so happy with either if selected

 

[paran]

Look, in Berry's favour is not just the leadership and size - the bloke has been a utility. He has excellent defensive awareness, never shirks from an assignment, and seems to have been used as a "Mr. Fix-it" role - used on tough match-ups. Consummate team player. Also a super athlete.

 

[Godfather32]

If only I could find the articles...it was a scandal.

Adelaide from memory rated him at no3. I don't know about us but moot point anyway. We also liked ward but got pipped by dogs.

Ward would have been a great pickup. That really was a rubbish draft for us when you look back at it wasn't it?

 

[Seadog]

Berry is a good pick for us imo.

Take SPP out of the equation for a second and consider the following.

We've been calling out for tall, athletic midfield prospects for years on this board. Since the 2015 Grand Final (or even before) we've been calling out for better on-field leadership. Then someone like Berry appears in front of us and we complain because he hasn't played enough midfield and hasn't picked up enough touches this year?

Do you know what they call tall, athletic full time midfielders with leadership skills, U18 AA and AFL Academy pedigree and stellar draft-year seasons? Number one picks.
We're picking at 13-15 tomorrow. We shouldn't be expecting perfect or vaguely near-perfect prospects in that range. The only reason that we may have the opportunity to pick Berry is that he's had a middling draft year (on account of injuries and patchy form) and his best position isn't fully settled. Take away either of those issues and he's firmly a top 10, if not top 5 pick.

As far as the output goes, I agree that he didn't get as much ball as we'd like this year, but I think the criticism is a bit over the top.

• Firstly, while his average of 12 touches per game in the U18s doesn't sound good, it should be put in proper context: it's s sample size of three games and U18 players average a lot less touches than their AFL counterparts. For example, in game 1, only 10 of Vic Country's 23 players hit double digits. The whole team only averaged just over 250 touches in each of those games.
• Secondly, in 2015 he was top 5 in Vic Country's disposal getters in 5 out of their 6 games on his way to AA honours. Not bad for a bottom ager in one of the best U18 teams in history.
• He averaged 17 touches a game at TAC cup level this season, rotating between half back, midfield and the forward line.

In terms of position, I'm not the least bit concerned. Fyfe was predominantly a marking half forward pre-draft. Dangerfield started out as a back pocket. Bontempelli a utility. If the club drafts him with the intention of developing him as a midfielder (and I suspect that would be the intention), then I'm happy for them to do that. We aren't talking about turning Mitch Brown into a small forward, we're talking about a player who has always rotated through the middle and is known for his attack on the ball. And realistically, how many of our young midfielders even get a decent chance in the middle in their first couple of years?

In any case, Berry describes himself as a midfielder and as recently as June, Cal Twomey said:

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-06-02/u18s-20-young-guns-to-watch-this-year

Now for the big, Dustin Martin shaped elephant in the room. I'm happy to disagree with the club on philosophy and strategy - if we drafted English I would disagree with the strategy and philosophy of picking a ruckman - but in terms of strictly evaluating talent, I don't have the time, access, resources or experience to put my hand on my heart and say that I know better. We're really talking about two fairly similar prospects - two HBF/MID/HFF players with excellent size and athleticism but fairly average output and disposal. It appears that the club has been keeping close tabs on both, and if they believe that Berry is a better prospect than SPP or vice versa, I'm prepared to support that decision.

Look I don't think we can really lose with either at this stage. I think we can all agree that we need midfield prospects that have the potential to be genuine A-grade talent. I think both Berry and SPP fit that bill, so I'm happy with either (and for that matter, Brodie).

Don't come around here sprouting your f*&king logic and common sense.

 

[Art OF war]

Alright this is hot off the press!

Brodie will slide as there are question marks over his disposal and speed.

And WCE are set to pounce


Source: The Hope Fairy.

 

[Galileo9]

Ward would have been a great pickup. That really was a rubbish draft for us when you look back at it wasn't it?

Yeah that's why Carlton couldn't give away it's draft picks quick enough.