List Mgmt. 2016 AFL Draft

[The Gov]

If we don't get Ryan I like the sound of Brayshaw
From the AFL site:
Hamish Brayshaw
Midfielder
186cm/85kg
9/2/98
Sandringham Dragons/Vic Metro

Unfortunately injury didn't help Brayshaw's cause this season. He injured his foot at the start of the year and then played with a crack in the foot towards the end of the season. He led the Sandringham Dragons to their flag win, and is a tough and combative midfielder with upside. He can also go forward and kick goals, a little like his brother Angus, the Melbourne midfielder. Brayshaw had surgery at the end of the season to fix his foot so if he gets a chance will be starting off a little later.

Since rookie players will almost always be speculative/project picks I don't mind the idea of backing a player with talent to overcome injuries - could have a star on our hands and would seem at least as safe as backing a player with no injury history who didn't get drafted to develop into AFL quality.

 

[ROYAL EAGLE]

WCE have had interest in Mitch Dobson from east perth as a tough at it half backer/midfielder.
Big lad good size 189cm booming kicking like shannon hurn

 

[Suma Magic]

WCE have had interest in Mitch Dobson from east perth as a tough at it half backer/midfielder.
Big lad good size 189cm booming kicking like shannon hurn

Just checked out his stats.

24 touches per game with a 40 possession game. Solid output, I haven't seen him play personally.

 

[Dark Sharks]

But is his highlights vid as good as Cockatoo's though?

 

[Suma Magic]

But is his highlights vid as good as Cockatoo's though?

It's as good as Cockatoo's 2016 highlights vid.

 

[frenchconnection]

No one seems to know the exact injury but he finished this season in a moonboot with some sort of foot issue.
Quote from him - "and I don’t even know what happened with my foot, I was just warming up and then I couldn’t walk. It’s annoying and it’s hard to explain because it’s all uncontrollable.”

You just hope the Club have made the right decision - there must have been some flaws in SPP's game that made the recruiters select a Victorian with similar attributes but who has injury issues (and there's always the "go home factor" in future years) over selecting a local ready to play. Time will tell, and I guess a lot of us will be following SPP's progress at Port.

 

[frenchconnection]

Shuey had injury set backs in his first 2 years. He's just following the script

Didn't he also have a bout of Glandular Fever?

 

[Keys]

You just hope the Club have made the right decision - there must have been some flaws in SPP's game that made the recruiters select a Victorian with similar attributes but who has injury issues (and there's always the "go home factor" in future years) over selecting a local ready to play. Time will tell, and I guess a lot of us will be following SPP's progress at Port.

Next year in particular is going to be tough. Think we'll take the long term conservative view with Venables and ease him into it so I won't be expecting him to play many AFL games, if any, in his first year.

Meanwhile SPP could make a strong impression straight away. Just reading the welcome to port thread for him on their board was difficult seeing their unbridled enthusiasm for their new recruit

Obviously I want to see Venables do well and I can see why the club liked him but I have a genuine concern that we've made an error

 

[Monocle]

WCE have had interest in Mitch Dobson from east perth as a tough at it half backer/midfielder.
Big lad good size 189cm booming kicking like shannon hurn

I haven't seen as much of Dobson as you have RE, do you rate him as a better player than Bailey Banfield or Gulifi ??????

I also like Luke Bunker from the Northern Knights if we are talking tough inside mids.

For our last rookie pick its either a hard inside mid or a project tall/, be that a ruck eg Goddard or a KPP Zach Sproule ( cant believe he wasn't taken KPP that plays both ends and is a good kick ) or even Tony Olango.

What I don't want is another flanker.

 

[Obeanie1]

spp seems to be one of those heart n soul players that bleeds a clubs colours. IMO he will stick around at alberton and alonside wines, boak and gray they he could form one of the best midfields in the comp.

Well a week ago he was 'bleeding' to become and Eagle.

So if he is a 'heart and soul player' you are saying he will simply forget how he felt last week and change he allegiance overnight?

Your argument actually works both ways for him to either stay at Port or want to return West.

It doesn't matter, time will tell. Fingers crossed he comes back in a couple of years.

 

[BartBart]

Can really open things up.........











I'll see myself out

Through the door?

 

[Monocle]

Next year in particular is going to be tough. Think we'll take the long term conservative view with Venables and ease him into it so I won't be expecting him to play many AFL games, if any, in his first year.

Meanwhile SPP could make a strong impression straight away. Just reading the welcome to port thread for him on their board was difficult seeing their unbridled enthusiasm for their new recruit

Obviously I want to see Venables do well and I can see why the club liked him but I have a genuine concern that we've made an error

Next year is going to be tough anyway with out NN ( I doubt we will see him in 2017 in anything but a bit parts role, if at all ) and Lycett for the first half of the year.
So the chances of contending are slim, top 8 yes... a chance for another sadly NO.
Having said that I am not as down on Giles as most on here are. I think he is serviceable as we saw against Adelaide , one thing I will say about Giles is that he is durable. Who knows a sustained stint in the side may just be the makings of him.

I digress.

Back to next year being tough..... Consequently I see no sense in rushing Venables or any injured player back for that matter.
I see 2017 as a year of consolidation.

Keys as for SPP.
I know many on here as pissed that we passed him by but we have got to move on..... hopefully we can Ebert him at some latter stage.

O'Brien has put his nuts on the line with the Venables decision (regardless of the SPP omission ), as there were other players that would also have been good options.

I have a theory on the drafting in that a Club can afford to fluff one first rounder every now and again, fluff two in a row and you set the Clubs future back a while , fluff three in a row and The Club fall way behind the chasing pack, big time.

Last year we fluffed our first rounder by trading it for Redden who finished the season in pretty uninspiring form with East Perth.
So O'Brien would be praying that Venables makes it, and or, Redden comes good , otherwise he may be on notice or even out the door.

That may sound harsh but AFL is a ruthless results driven business, there is not a lot of forgiveness afforded Coaches and Recruiters, its perform or your out.

 

[2006_Eagles]

That may sound harsh but AFL is a ruthless results driven business, there is not a lot of forgiveness afforded Coaches and Recruiters, its perform or your out.

Which is directly related to how well the player performs, which the recruiter has no control over.

 

[Keys]

Next year is going to be tough anyway with out NN ( I doubt we will see him in 2017 in anything but a bit parts role, if at all ) and Lycett for the first half of the year.
So the chances of contending are slim, top 8 yes... a chance for another sadly NO.
Having said that I am not as down on Giles as most on here are. I think he is serviceable as we saw against Adelaide , one thing I will say about Giles is that he is durable. Who knows a sustained stint in the side may just be the makings of him.

I digress.

Back to next year being tough..... Consequently I see no sense in rushing Venables or any injured player back for that matter.
I see 2017 as a year of consolidation.

Keys as for SPP.
I know many on here as pissed that we passed him by but we have got to move on..... hopefully we can Ebert him at some latter stage.

O'Brien has put his nuts on the line with the Venables decision (regardless of the SPP omission ), as there were other players that would also have been good options.

I have a theory on the drafting in that a Club can afford to fluff one first rounder every now and again, fluff two in a row and you set the Clubs future back a while , fluff three in a row and The Club fall way behind the chasing pack, big time.

Last year we fluffed our first rounder by trading it for Redden who finished the season in pretty uninspiring form with East Perth.
So O'Brien would be praying that Venables makes it, and or, Redden comes good , otherwise he may be on notice or even out the door.

That may sound harsh but AFL is a ruthless results driven business, there is not a lot of forgiveness afforded Coaches and Recruiters, its perform or your out.

Understand what you're saying and pretty much agree with it. Couple of things though

I think Lycett is said to be ready round 1 by the club albeit that will be after a limited preseason so he'll likely take some time to get going. Vardy could become very important

O'brien has definitely put his nuts on the line particularly if the suggestions that he over ruled the WA based recruiters are correct. That said I don't think you can pin the blame for redden on him as that was a trading decision not recruitment so that's not him so much

 

[Galileo9]

Next year is going to be tough anyway with out NN ( I doubt we will see him in 2017 in anything but a bit parts role, if at all ) and Lycett for the first half of the year.
So the chances of contending are slim, top 8 yes... a chance for another sadly NO.
Having said that I am not as down on Giles as most on here are. I think he is serviceable as we saw against Adelaide , one thing I will say about Giles is that he is durable. Who knows a sustained stint in the side may just be the makings of him.

I digress.

Back to next year being tough..... Consequently I see no sense in rushing Venables or any injured player back for that matter.
I see 2017 as a year of consolidation.

Keys as for SPP.
I know many on here as pissed that we passed him by but we have got to move on..... hopefully we can Ebert him at some latter stage.

O'Brien has put his nuts on the line with the Venables decision (regardless of the SPP omission ), as there were other players that would also have been good options.

I have a theory on the drafting in that a Club can afford to fluff one first rounder every now and again, fluff two in a row and you set the Clubs future back a while , fluff three in a row and The Club fall way behind the chasing pack, big time.

Last year we fluffed our first rounder by trading it for Redden who finished the season in pretty uninspiring form with East Perth.
So O'Brien would be praying that Venables makes it, and or, Redden comes good , otherwise he may be on notice or even out the door.

That may sound harsh but AFL is a ruthless results driven business, there is not a lot of forgiveness afforded Coaches and Recruiters, its perform or your out.

Redden isn't really Obriens fault to be fair. He wasn't drafted.

We need all these mids on list to come on. Otherwise a big clearout is surely on cards.

Interestingly I saw interview with pelchin and he said that obrien is very underrated as a recruiter. Sometime last year I think.

As for SPP, well we don't know how far he was down the list. Maybe all of our recruiters thought venables was higher, we don't know. Issue was berry v SPP

 

[Monocle]

Which is directly related to how well the player performs, which the recruiter has no control over.

Which is why I said " afforded Coaches and Recruiters."

If a coach cant get his players to perform then he has some major flaws in the way he delivers his message. Otherwise he is in trouble...... well not always Richmond have allowed Hardwick an eternity to get his message through....almost as long as Wallace .....or Frawley.

 

[Dark Sharks]

Meanwhile SPP could make a strong impression straight away. Just reading the welcome to port thread for him on their board was difficult seeing their unbridled enthusiasm for their new recruit

Obviously I want to see Venables do well and I can see why the club liked him but I have a genuine concern that we've made an error

Change the record old man.

SPP is gone. He plays for port now, and until he comes home he's officially an even bigger campaigner than he was before draft night.

Venables will be a good player, i can't wait to see him in action. I think my regret in losing SPP was probably drowned out a bit over the relief and excitement in not picking English, Galucci or Berry. You fell for the oldest trick in the book pre draft Keyser, you got attached.

It's time to move on Hillary.

 

[Monocle]

Understand what you're saying and pretty much agree with it. Couple of things though

I think Lycett is said to be ready round 1 by the club albeit that will be after a limited preseason so he'll likely take some time to get going. Vardy could become very important

O'brien has definitely put his nuts on the line particularly if the suggestions that he over ruled the WA based recruiters are correct. That said I don't think you can pin the blame for redden on him as that was a trading decision not recruitment so that's not him so much

Thats a better prognosis on Lycett than I was aware of so thats better news.

Fair point of the trade of Redden however its my understanding that the recruiters are very much in the discussion as to what we do as any trade out of a pick is an opportunity cost that needs careful evaluation.

 

[Galileo9]

No one seems to know the exact injury but he finished this season in a moonboot with some sort of foot issue.
Quote from him - "and I don’t even know what happened with my foot, I was just warming up and then I couldn’t walk. It’s annoying and it’s hard to explain because it’s all uncontrollable.”

Well that's encouraging. Not. Let's hope it's just growing issues and not cavka issues.

 

[Monocle]

Redden isn't really Obriens fault to be fair. He wasn't drafted.

We need all these mids on list to come on. Otherwise a big clearout is surely on cards. Good call and a very important call.

Interestingly I saw interview with pelchin and he said that obrien is very underrated as a recruiter. Sometime last year I think.

As for SPP, well we don't know how far he was down the list. Maybe all of our recruiters thought venables was higher, we don't know. Issue was berry v SPP

 

[flamingEMBERS]

Next year is going to be tough anyway with out NN ( I doubt we will see him in 2017 in anything but a bit parts role, if at all ) and Lycett for the first half of the year.
So the chances of contending are slim, top 8 yes... a chance for another sadly NO.
Having said that I am not as down on Giles as most on here are. I think he is serviceable as we saw against Adelaide , one thing I will say about Giles is that he is durable. Who knows a sustained stint in the side may just be the makings of him.

I digress.

Back to next year being tough..... Consequently I see no sense in rushing Venables or any injured player back for that matter.
I see 2017 as a year of consolidation.

Keys as for SPP.
I know many on here as pissed that we passed him by but we have got to move on..... hopefully we can Ebert him at some latter stage.

O'Brien has put his nuts on the line with the Venables decision (regardless of the SPP omission ), as there were other players that would also have been good options.

I have a theory on the drafting in that a Club can afford to fluff one first rounder every now and again, fluff two in a row and you set the Clubs future back a while , fluff three in a row and The Club fall way behind the chasing pack, big time.

Last year we fluffed our first rounder by trading it for Redden who finished the season in pretty uninspiring form with East Perth.
So O'Brien would be praying that Venables makes it, and or, Redden comes good , otherwise he may be on notice or even out the door.

That may sound harsh but AFL is a ruthless results driven business, there is not a lot of forgiveness afforded Coaches and Recruiters, its perform or your out.

Completely agree with the bit about the first rounders/ O'Brien. However the fact you're writing off next season is outrageous. We won 16 games and played ****ing terrible other than 3 weeks. We have a better draw this season with more top teams at home as opposed to away. The ****ing Bulldogs won last season from no where.

We didn't get Tony Galati to sell off all our spuds, and yes it annoys me, but to say we can't win a flag GTFO. And by quoting this in 11 months and saying see we didn't win means nothing either.

 

[Monocle]

Change the record old man.

SPP is gone. He plays for port now, and until he comes home he's officially an even bigger campaigner than he was before draft night.

Venables will be a good player, i can't wait to see him in action. I think my regret in losing SPP was probably drowned out a bit over the relief and excitement in not picking English, Galucci or Berry. You fell for the oldest trick in the book pre draft Keyser, you got attached.

It's time to move on Hillary.

Some times Dark Sharks You can be such a Caring Understanding Nurturing Type..... your so very pragmatic.

By the way Hillary sends her regards.

 

[paran]

Sam Walker is a jet of a kick and even he didn't get drafted.

Just like i said shows how strong this draft was !

Jarman ha sgreat skills and wasnt drafted ... see the whole, stop being pedantic.

 

[SpaceClef]

Venables won't play AFL next year. Lock that in Eddie. May play last half of the year for. EP

 

[Monocle]

We didn't get Tony Galati to sell off all our spuds, and yes it annoys me, but to say we can't win a flag GTFO. And by quoting this in 11 months and saying see we didn't win means nothing either.

Don't be shy flamingEMBERS don't hold back tell me what you really think. lol all's good.

I think we need a seriously uplift from our young mids for us the be a flag contender and I just think its going to take another season for us to get there.

I hope I am wrong and the mids come on quicker than I think they will.
My concerns about our midfield far outweigh my concerns about our depleted ruck stocks.