Jon Ralph sees him as best 22, twice. He is that good.
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Opinion 2016 Best 22
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Yeah but Jon Ralph probably thinks he could slot into our side at the moment.
Not our biggest fan - but then few in the media are ...
Jimmae
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The rest (except Phillips) have a bit more time on their side.
Lamb is 23, and the game you're describing would be a career high one, at least from a scoring perspective. I think he may well come good, but he's not in my round 1 team if we can get Armfield up, or we like what Cuningham or C.Curnow can do off HF.
Yeah, I would. He's got size to be able to body his opponent, and also a big kick. I have often thought that he should get a go up the field. If not forward flank, on the wing at least.
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Definitely are in the best 22. I bet sumner will be playing at least one game by round 6
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By years end I want to see...
FB: Tuohy - Jamison - Plowman
HB: Byrne - Weitering - Docherty
C: Boekhorst - Cripps - Kerridge
Foll: Kruezer - Gibbs - Murphy
HF: Graham - Jaksch - CCurnow
FF: Walker - Casboult - Sumner/Lamb/Galluci
Inter - Simpson, ECurnow, Buckley and Cuningham/Whiley/Thomas/etc.
FB: Tuohy - Jamison - Plowman
HB: Byrne - Weitering - Docherty
C: Boekhorst - Cripps - Kerridge
Foll: Kruezer - Gibbs - Murphy
HF: Graham - Jaksch - CCurnow
FF: Walker - Casboult - Sumner/Lamb/Galluci
Inter - Simpson, ECurnow, Buckley and Cuningham/Whiley/Thomas/etc.
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Probably accurate right now, but not by the end of the season.
If plowman and jaksch end up doing well this year Rowe or White could be on the out.. Jamison will retire soon Sumner I think will also push someone out
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Definitely. There's a lot riding on Jaksch and Plowman. Those two guys could be the difference between holes in the list and premiership capable list, all depending on whether they can fulfil the talent they have at AFL level.
The only two changes I would make are; switch Weitering and Rowe around and Switch Everitt and Kerridge around. Kerridge will have spells deep forward, but likely won't start there. I think Everitt may. Hopefully by the end of the season Weitering will take the no.2 tall defender role, but I think to start he will just be a 3rd tall.
A major advantage for us if jaksch and plowman come in would be being able to move jamo to that third tall role which in my opinion could extend his career by 3 yrs.
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The AFL Media have attempted to coin the phrase "baby blues" this season due to our developing side. As part of a backlash to our strong performance on Thursday night, Richmond supporters, and other AFL pundits have tried to discredit the "babyness" of our team. I'll take you through our best 22 to show you why WE ARE the baby blues, and why we have a lot to look forward to over the next 3+ years.
FB: Touhy (26.3yrs), Jamison(29.9yrs), Weitering (18.4yrs)
HB: Docherty (22.5yrs), Rowe(28.4yrs), Simpson (31.10yrs)
C: Boekhurst (22.6yrs), E. Curnow(26.4yrs), Gibbs (27yrs)
R: Kreuzer (26.10yrs), Murphy(28.8yrs), Cripps (21yrs)
HF: Kerridge (22.10yrs), Casboult (26yrs), Graham (21.9yrs)
FF: Walker (29.10yrs), Everitt (27yrs), Wright (26.3yrs)
Int: Buckley (23yrs), Lamb (23.5yrs), Phillips (24.8yrs), White (27.9yrs)
Emerg: C. Curnow, Smith, Whiley
Suspended: Thomas
Fringe: Sumner, Jaksch, Silvagni, Byrne, Plowman, Dick, Sheehan, Gorringe
Out of the picture (for now): Tutt, Viojo-Rainbow, Korcheck, McKay, Wood, Gowers, Glass-McKasker, Gallui, Foster, Jones, Armfield. Cunningham
Roughly, that best 22 came out at about 25 years of age, and of course out came the baying hounds, Carlton aren't young, they've got a bunch of recycled older players, this rebuild isn't going well, etc etc.
But let's take a look at GAMES PLAYED
FB: Touhy (99), Jamison(146), Weitering (1)
HB: Docherty (49), Rowe(52), Simpson (243)
C: Boekhurst (12), E. Curnow(89), Gibbs (188)
R: Kreuzer (120), Murphy(205), Cripps (24)
HF: Kerridge (28), Casboult (53), Graham (17)
FF: Walker (192), Everitt (119), Wright (95)
Int: Buckley (28), Lamb (23), Phillips (15), White (60)
Which is approximately 84 games per player on average. However, when you look at the numbers. Our experienced core, Walker, Everitt, Kreuzer, Murphy, Gibbs, Jamison and Simpson account for 1213 games at an average of 173 games each. Take those 7 players out of the best 22 and the average games fall to a 43 game average.
If we proceed on the basis of the "3rd year breakout" theory, that suggests players breakout after roughly 3 seasons. Over the course of three seasons a rookie can expect to play approximately 10 games their first season, 15 in their second and 22 in their third, and breakout season. Which adds up to 47 games as being the mark of a player who - still has room to break out.
If we look at our best 22 and search for players who have played less than 47 games we are left with:
Weitering: 1
Boekhurst: 12
Phillips: 15
Graham: 17
Lamb: 23
Cripps: 24
Kerridge: 28
Buckley: 28
That is 8 players in our best 22 who have played less than 29 games and far less than the approximately 47 games by which a player should have broken out by. Which means over a third of our team truly are "baby's". Carlton definitely fits the bill of the "Baby Blues". What is most promising is that these 8 babies are some of our best competitors. Cripps is bonafide close to our best if not best player. Kerridge and Graham are essential cogs to our midfield, Weitering is alreayd a lynch pin down back and Boekhurst carries explosive run on the outside. Lamb, Phillips and Buckley all have promising aspects.
If we cast the net wider to outside of our best 22 you'll see that; Charlie Curnow (0 games)
Clem Smith (7 games) and Mark Whiley (20 games) are pushing for best 22 collection and also come well under the games played required for a player to break out.
Looking at the further fringe players who push for selection every week. Sumner (12 games), Jaksch (13 games), Gorringe (22 games), Sheehan (4 games), Dick (6 games), Plowman (20 games), Silvagni (0 games) and Byrne (1 game) are all placed in the youth category below the number of games required to break out. Players such as Armfield, Tutt and Jones may be pushing for selection and may do so well bigger bodies are needed but I believe a focus on youth will mean these younger players with an opportunity to explode will be preferred to the older and more experienced depth we have.
Carlton has constructed a well placed side for the 2016 season. A strong mixture of experience along the spine and through the middle, mixed in with youth on the flanks and edges of the team to help ease the transition. You cannot throw a team of first gamers to the wolves, which is why the Carlton experienced best 22 will hopefully facilitate the growth of the fringe youth. Carlton will look to remain competitive this season, develop a team effort culture and eventually a winning culture. After this off-season another culling of older fringe players, such as Armfield, Tutt, Jones etc, astute trading and htting the draft will continue to invigorate the list.
Look to Weitering, Graham, Kerridge, Boekhurst Jaksch and Plowman to break out this season and demand spots in the best 22. Looking forward to 2017 with these players bonafide best 22, more youth can being to be added by the likes of McKay, Charlie Curnow, Viojo-Rainbow, Cunningham, Sumner, Lamb, Buckley, Byrne and future draft picks to play regular games and being to develop as players.
We are the baby blues Carlton fans, and we are going about this the right way.
FB: Touhy (26.3yrs), Jamison(29.9yrs), Weitering (18.4yrs)
HB: Docherty (22.5yrs), Rowe(28.4yrs), Simpson (31.10yrs)
C: Boekhurst (22.6yrs), E. Curnow(26.4yrs), Gibbs (27yrs)
R: Kreuzer (26.10yrs), Murphy(28.8yrs), Cripps (21yrs)
HF: Kerridge (22.10yrs), Casboult (26yrs), Graham (21.9yrs)
FF: Walker (29.10yrs), Everitt (27yrs), Wright (26.3yrs)
Int: Buckley (23yrs), Lamb (23.5yrs), Phillips (24.8yrs), White (27.9yrs)
Emerg: C. Curnow, Smith, Whiley
Suspended: Thomas
Fringe: Sumner, Jaksch, Silvagni, Byrne, Plowman, Dick, Sheehan, Gorringe
Out of the picture (for now): Tutt, Viojo-Rainbow, Korcheck, McKay, Wood, Gowers, Glass-McKasker, Gallui, Foster, Jones, Armfield. Cunningham
Roughly, that best 22 came out at about 25 years of age, and of course out came the baying hounds, Carlton aren't young, they've got a bunch of recycled older players, this rebuild isn't going well, etc etc.
But let's take a look at GAMES PLAYED
FB: Touhy (99), Jamison(146), Weitering (1)
HB: Docherty (49), Rowe(52), Simpson (243)
C: Boekhurst (12), E. Curnow(89), Gibbs (188)
R: Kreuzer (120), Murphy(205), Cripps (24)
HF: Kerridge (28), Casboult (53), Graham (17)
FF: Walker (192), Everitt (119), Wright (95)
Int: Buckley (28), Lamb (23), Phillips (15), White (60)
Which is approximately 84 games per player on average. However, when you look at the numbers. Our experienced core, Walker, Everitt, Kreuzer, Murphy, Gibbs, Jamison and Simpson account for 1213 games at an average of 173 games each. Take those 7 players out of the best 22 and the average games fall to a 43 game average.
If we proceed on the basis of the "3rd year breakout" theory, that suggests players breakout after roughly 3 seasons. Over the course of three seasons a rookie can expect to play approximately 10 games their first season, 15 in their second and 22 in their third, and breakout season. Which adds up to 47 games as being the mark of a player who - still has room to break out.
If we look at our best 22 and search for players who have played less than 47 games we are left with:
Weitering: 1
Boekhurst: 12
Phillips: 15
Graham: 17
Lamb: 23
Cripps: 24
Kerridge: 28
Buckley: 28
That is 8 players in our best 22 who have played less than 29 games and far less than the approximately 47 games by which a player should have broken out by. Which means over a third of our team truly are "baby's". Carlton definitely fits the bill of the "Baby Blues". What is most promising is that these 8 babies are some of our best competitors. Cripps is bonafide close to our best if not best player. Kerridge and Graham are essential cogs to our midfield, Weitering is alreayd a lynch pin down back and Boekhurst carries explosive run on the outside. Lamb, Phillips and Buckley all have promising aspects.
If we cast the net wider to outside of our best 22 you'll see that; Charlie Curnow (0 games)
Clem Smith (7 games) and Mark Whiley (20 games) are pushing for best 22 collection and also come well under the games played required for a player to break out.
Looking at the further fringe players who push for selection every week. Sumner (12 games), Jaksch (13 games), Gorringe (22 games), Sheehan (4 games), Dick (6 games), Plowman (20 games), Silvagni (0 games) and Byrne (1 game) are all placed in the youth category below the number of games required to break out. Players such as Armfield, Tutt and Jones may be pushing for selection and may do so well bigger bodies are needed but I believe a focus on youth will mean these younger players with an opportunity to explode will be preferred to the older and more experienced depth we have.
Carlton has constructed a well placed side for the 2016 season. A strong mixture of experience along the spine and through the middle, mixed in with youth on the flanks and edges of the team to help ease the transition. You cannot throw a team of first gamers to the wolves, which is why the Carlton experienced best 22 will hopefully facilitate the growth of the fringe youth. Carlton will look to remain competitive this season, develop a team effort culture and eventually a winning culture. After this off-season another culling of older fringe players, such as Armfield, Tutt, Jones etc, astute trading and htting the draft will continue to invigorate the list.
Look to Weitering, Graham, Kerridge, Boekhurst Jaksch and Plowman to break out this season and demand spots in the best 22. Looking forward to 2017 with these players bonafide best 22, more youth can being to be added by the likes of McKay, Charlie Curnow, Viojo-Rainbow, Cunningham, Sumner, Lamb, Buckley, Byrne and future draft picks to play regular games and being to develop as players.
We are the baby blues Carlton fans, and we are going about this the right way.
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Great effort, FBI. Our age spectrum has never been that important to me, particularly with the draft being finally used to our advantage instead of our detriment.
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most of our team will still be there in 5-10 years
cunningham & mckay are high draft picks , so lets hope they are not "out of the picture" for long add c.curnow
yes sure there is a couple of fill ins (wright & everitt) but that's because our drafting so pathetic in the judd years !!
cunningham & mckay are high draft picks , so lets hope they are not "out of the picture" for long add c.curnow
yes sure there is a couple of fill ins (wright & everitt) but that's because our drafting so pathetic in the judd years !!
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I just put them in the out of it (for now) section because firstly McKay is injured for half the season, and likely wont play much this year and Cunningham will likely play very few games this year. Whereas the fringe players should be realistically pushing for selection every week and may play 5 or so games this year.
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love this.
Exactly, its not like we are just going to field an under 23s side out there to get mauled. we need them to be competitive to learn competitive habits early.
Agree, i think by the end of the year the young players who will be walk up starts will be:
Docherty, Cripps, Kerridge, Graham, Boekhorst, Buckley (hopefully), weitering and plowman. thats a good youthful base, with many more getting an extra year of development ready to replace the senior boys when they start to move on (either via retirement or on traded for picks), i.e.:
jakcsh for jamison/Rowe
Byrne for Simpson
C Curnow for Walker
Etc with many others ready to step up as they develop further.
i think longer term (2ish years) we may be looking something like:
B: touhy Jakcsh plowman
HB: Docherty Weitering Byrne
C Boekhorst Gibbs Kerridge
HF Graham Casboult Everitt
FF Curnow Mckay Smith
R: Kruezer Cripps Murphy
I: Buckley Lamb Phillips E curnow
Emergency: Wright, Sumner cunningham etc.
plus any extra draft picks we select in that time.
pretty exciting times
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like it but id have smith in there. im hoping dvr steps up
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Lazy ! If you're going to do an analysis, at least put some thought and effort into it..
Nice work FBI...
i really hope to see
docherty g-mac jaksch
byrne weitering dvr
kruezer plowman murphy
boekhurst cripps simpson
gibbs casboult kerridge
c.curnow mckay smith
phillips graham silvagni whiley sumner cuningham lamb
its the players most aren't convinced about that if they can stand up will make a real difference to our side. g-mac sumner dvr smith whiley silvagni all have talent. lets hope they can step up
docherty g-mac jaksch
byrne weitering dvr
kruezer plowman murphy
boekhurst cripps simpson
gibbs casboult kerridge
c.curnow mckay smith
phillips graham silvagni whiley sumner cuningham lamb
its the players most aren't convinced about that if they can stand up will make a real difference to our side. g-mac sumner dvr smith whiley silvagni all have talent. lets hope they can step up
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Can confirm - one of the best.
Step by step going forward to our next really competitive team :
B: ..... ..... Plowman
HB: Docherty Weitering Byrne
C: Cuningham Cripps Boekhorst
HF: ..... C.Curnow .....
F: Silvagni McKay .....
R: Kruezer ..... .....
B: ..... ..... Plowman
HB: Docherty Weitering Byrne
C: Cuningham Cripps Boekhorst
HF: ..... C.Curnow .....
F: Silvagni McKay .....
R: Kruezer ..... .....
Love that half back line.
I reckon Phillips and summer have shown enough to be a part of our best futur 22..hopefully jaksch and DVR step up and fill forward pocket and HFF positions..