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Stevi_Tigers said:
broad almost a lock should play round one has been one of the best on the track been playing on jr8 in intra club games and done quite well. has a massive tank
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The question really is now what is his scoring output.
 
PowerDrafter said:
The question really is now what is his scoring output.
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If he's playing every game it should matter too much..

Based on previous years there has always been a shortage of Rookie defenders getting consistent games.

No Sub Rule means most rookies should enjoy a 5-10 ppg as most usually started as sub or were subbed off.

You'll get 45-65 out of him, fingers crossed it's 65!..
 
Great 2008 said:
Goodnight Morris?
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dimma finally found the morris photos of him self last year. but unless he gets injured looks like broad will play round one
 

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PowerDrafter said:
The question really is now what is his scoring output.
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he is a rebounding defender. who is meant to have a great tank. ideally he will help houli until yarran is ready, but if he plays the first 6/7 rounds at 60 odd that's some nice coin to upgrade later
 
Stevi_Tigers said:
he is a rebounding defender. who is meant to have a great tank. ideally he will help houli until yarran is ready, but if he plays the first 6/7 rounds at 60 odd that's some nice coin to upgrade later
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So long story short you think he will average about 60 through the first 7 rounds until Yarran comes back. That puts him at about 280k or there abouts, that's more of a downgrade than an upgrade. Could be the Nathan Brown of this year by that description
 
cdcanman said:
Does he leapfrog Hardwick love child Batchelor and also Grimes?
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different players. have to wait and see but everything is looking like a debut. and out of those 2 batch is the more likely to get dropped
 
PowerDrafter said:
Very different types of players, his more the McIntosh, Houli, Vlastuin type
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I'm not going to pretend I know a lot about him. I have not seen him play a single minute of football.
On the outside looking in, a 192cm medium-tall defender who has spent the summer playing on Jack Riewoldt would suggest to me he is competing for a spot more with the likes of Grimes and Batchelor than he is with McIntosh (a fulltime wingman last season), Houli or Vlaustin. I am more than happy to be corrected by the Richmond faithful.
I'm not comparing Broad's skill set (of which I have no idea about) with Grimes and Batchelor, just the role he will likely fill in the team. If someone can offer more offensively (which you are suggesting Broad can) than either Batchelor or Grimes, then I would imagine they have a good opportunity of supplanting either one in the side. Not so sure the 3 you mentioned will be so easy to overtake in the pecking order.
 

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cdcanman said:
I'm not going to pretend I know a lot about him. I have not seen him play a single minute of football.
On the outside looking in, a 192cm medium-tall defender who has spent the summer playing on Jack Riewoldt would suggest to me he is competing for a spot more with the likes of Grimes and Batchelor than he is with McIntosh (a fulltime wingman last season), Houli or Vlaustin. I am more than happy to be corrected by the Richmond faithful.
I'm not comparing Broad's skill set (of which I have no idea about) with Grimes and Batchelor, just the role he will likely fill in the team. If someone can offer more offensively (which you are suggesting Broad can) than either Batchelor or Grimes, then I would imagine they have a good opportunity of supplanting either one in the side. Not so sure the 3 you mentioned will be so easy to overtake in the pecking order.
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His tank and ball winning ability suggests he will play more of a half back role, when you watch him play his defensive game isn't the strongest, that is why I think Hardwick put him on Riewoldt so he can teach him how to defend as well as attack, which he is very good at, he averaged over 20 touches a game last year in the WAFL, that is why he is more of the running back than the tall, he would get absolutely destroyed if he played 3rd tall in the AFL.
 
cdcanman said:
I'm not going to pretend I know a lot about him. I have not seen him play a single minute of football.
On the outside looking in, a 192cm medium-tall defender who has spent the summer playing on Jack Riewoldt would suggest to me he is competing for a spot more with the likes of Grimes and Batchelor than he is with McIntosh (a fulltime wingman last season), Houli or Vlaustin. I am more than happy to be corrected by the Richmond faithful.
I'm not comparing Broad's skill set (of which I have no idea about) with Grimes and Batchelor, just the role he will likely fill in the team. If someone can offer more offensively (which you are suggesting Broad can) than either Batchelor or Grimes, then I would imagine they have a good opportunity of supplanting either one in the side. Not so sure the 3 you mentioned will be so easy to overtake in the pecking order.
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Agree, 22year old mature age recruit from the WAFL should help, similar to Adams from the Bulldogs
 
freddy mercury said:
Anyone else have Alex Rance or looking at him? Is he too pricey? Better options?
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he's quite consistent for a KPD and has a massive ceiling, although is prone to low scoring games as well. Should score reasonably well for the year but there will be an opportunity to grab him cheaper. Got off to a flier last year averaging just under 110 after the first 5 games before a string of a few lower scoring games so there can be a risk seeing him as an upgrade target.
 
Didstar said:
he's quite consistent for a KPD and has a massive ceiling, although is prone to low scoring games as well. Should score reasonably well for the year but there will be an opportunity to grab him cheaper. Got off to a flier last year averaging just under 110 after the first 5 games before a string of a few lower scoring games so there can be a risk seeing him as an upgrade target.
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Was just looking at his scores, 10 scores over 100. 7 scores over 80. Kind of sealed the deal for mine. Or could downgrade to MacMillan to save $$
 
freddy mercury said:
Anyone else have Alex Rance or looking at him? Is he too pricey? Better options?
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I'm pretty damn keen on him. 95+ easily imo
My D1 will either be Shaw or Rance, see what I decide to do 5 mins before the first lockout :)
 

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cdcanman said:
I'm not going to pretend I know a lot about him. I have not seen him play a single minute of football.
On the outside looking in, a 192cm medium-tall defender who has spent the summer playing on Jack Riewoldt would suggest to me he is competing for a spot more with the likes of Grimes and Batchelor than he is with McIntosh (a fulltime wingman last season), Houli or Vlaustin. I am more than happy to be corrected by the Richmond faithful.
I'm not comparing Broad's skill set (of which I have no idea about) with Grimes and Batchelor, just the role he will likely fill in the team. If someone can offer more offensively (which you are suggesting Broad can) than either Batchelor or Grimes, then I would imagine they have a good opportunity of supplanting either one in the side. Not so sure the 3 you mentioned will be so easy to overtake in the pecking order.
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I'm in the same boat as you, don't know a whole heap about Broad but I would almost guarentee that he won't be getting a game before Grimes any time soon.
Not even close.
 
Bont2Boyd said:
MacMillan is on my watch list. I think he is capable of breaking out, but has had durability issues to date in his career.
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His breakout was kinda last year, when he started at around $200k and was pretty consistent for us and finished with a nice average. This time last year everyone was on McDonald and I couldn't convince anyone to take a look at the 'other' Mc!

Thought of very highly at the club and in the leadership group, but I can't see where his SC improvement will come from this year.

Does anyone have access to his SC scores from last year?
 
PowerDrafter said:
I'm really keen on Tom Langdon as of late, 19 and 22 games in his first 2 seasons and he's now surely entrenched into Collingwood's back 6. If Reid is fit I'd think that that could only assist Langdon allowing him to move to more of a sweeping role than a Mr Fix-It, maybe even a more attacking role. Last season he finished averaging 85, he had 5 100+ scores last season, 102, 109, 126, 100 and 107. He also had another 6 scores over 85. Obviously the concern with Langdon is that he is still young and can go missing, 4 scores under 65 is not a great sign but he holds all the key attributes of a premium defender. He averaged 21 disposals last season, you could only expect that to rise along with his disposal by foot. I'd like to hope that he can fill that gap between his best and worst and push that 90+ average come the end of the year. Thoughts?
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Thuggee_Cult said:
The problem with Langdon isn't Langdon, it is the oversupply of rebounding defenders that the Pies have. One week Langdon will tonne up, the next its Williams, the next week after that it's Oxley and so on.
He is capable of averaging 90 plus but he'll put in a poo ridden 40 point game every few weeks.
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PowerDrafter said:
I wouldn't call 3 rebounding defenders an over supply by any stretch. The Bulldogs played much of last season with as many as 5, Boyd, Murphy, Wood, Johannesen and Biggs. I'd also think that that group of Bulldogs players are much better quality than the 3 Collingwood players stated above. I have no doubt if Langdon moves to a more central sweeping position, much like Matthew Boyd did last year, there is no reason why he couldn't average 24 disposals a game and in excess of 6 marks a game as well. Just like everyone is jumping on the KK bandwagon, general progression puts Langdon around that 90-95 mark.
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Langdon could go 90+ this year, but so could Oxley. So could Williams. Not all of them will. Perhaps none of them will.
Out of the bunch, most Magpie fans would agree that only Williams is best 22. Langdon is IMO, but some say not. Oxley was apparently on the trade table, and is considered by many to be just outside best 22.

Too many question marks around these guys, but if you do choose any, Williams would be your man.

Thuggee_Cult said:
On the subject of Heath Shaw, I'll tell you all a story about my team last year which may have relevance this year ...

At this stage last year I opted not to pick Robbie Gray in Round 1 as I thought 600k was too expensive for a forward and I could get him cheaper a few rounds in.

Well , he got off to a good start and he averaged not much less than his starting average price and in the end he only dropped about 30, 40k max in the first few rounds.

The problem was that I couldn't trade him in as I had to trade out injured players and other non performing spuds on other lines.

Because he held his value I had to wait a while to get him and I eventually got him in just before the bye rounds, but the damage was all ready done as I missed all of his big scores early on, all because I thought I could have got him for 50k cheaper.

Don't do it. Pay the price. Pick Shaw.
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Excellent post.

Shaw was first picked this year (because DEF came before MID :)). He hasn't left my side.

Great 2008 said:
Playing Shaw and Goldy makes me look very skinny in other areas. Don't think I can have both (sorry little mexican girl). :(
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Fair call, and I understand.

I just think you'll be chasing the one you don't get, and missing other opportunities while working out ways to get him in.

They are far and away the best players on their lines. I wish you luck though!
 
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