Position 2016 Defenders

[Jiska]

They were the end of year prices, he started 2014 at the 572k mark and this year at 560k

Start of year has a 10% loading. End of year is the actual price based on output.

 

[Pedro]

Had Heath Shaw in my initial squad, not so sure now.

3yr ave - 101.4
4yr ave - 101.4
5yr ave - 101.3

Priced at 112, same as my view on Goldy - looking at him as overpriced & not willing to risk initially.

I had him in my initial team, but I've taken him out. $607K for a defender is way too much. I doubt that there is any way he can maintain that price.

 

[joop]

Had Heath Shaw in my initial squad, not so sure now.

3yr ave - 101.4
4yr ave - 101.4
5yr ave - 101.3

Priced at 112, same as my view on Goldy - looking at him as overpriced & not willing to risk initially.

completely disagree. Paying a bit extra for the best players far out weighs the cash you save and the trades you use.

 

[Raveneyes]

Had Heath Shaw in my initial squad, not so sure now.

3yr ave - 101.4
4yr ave - 101.4
5yr ave - 101.3

Priced at 112, same as my view on Goldy - looking at him as overpriced & not willing to risk initially.

I had him in my initial team, but I've taken him out. $607K for a defender is way too much. I doubt that there is any way he can maintain that price.

completely disagree. Paying a bit extra for the best players far out weighs the cash you save and the trades you use.

Interesting debate.
2015 was Shaw's highest SC year by far, so will he be able to keep it up?

Ranked 6 by year's end, with 13 scores over 110, and dropped below 85 only once. Averaged 112.6
Those are premo midfield numbers.

If Heater continues with the big scores early, he could maintain his price, and then you'll be calculating ways to trade your mid-pricers up to him, or sacrifice a failed premo to get there. All the while losing ground on your competition.
On the other hand, he only needs one or two stinkers to drop to $500-520k and be ripe for the pickings. But he had only 7 scores under 100, and 4 of them were 90's. How far will his price plummet?

Having said all that, the money save on getting him now, may allow you to get better players in other positions.
eg (using similar pricing):
Shaw & Yeo vs McVeigh & Laird
Shaw & Stef Martin vs Bartel & Goldstein
and hundreds more combinations

So for me, he is in my starting squad, and will stay there until I see a better combination elsewhere using the money saved.

 

[Pedro]

Interesting debate.
2015 was Shaw's highest SC year by far, so will he be able to keep it up?

Ranked 6 by year's end, with 13 scores over 110, and dropped below 85 only once. Averaged 112.6
Those are premo midfield numbers.

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Its a gamble I suppose. Last year was clearly his best and most consistent year. I can't help but remember all those 40's he used to come up with though. Nobody seemed to go anywhere near him last year for some reason, where in years gone by he'd cop a lot more attention.

I know there were no $600+ defenders last year, but did any of the top priced guys not drop significantly at some point? Hodge maybe?

 

[Jiska]

Interesting debate.
2015 was Shaw's highest SC year by far, so will he be able to keep it up?

Ranked 6 by year's end, with 13 scores over 110, and dropped below 85 only once. Averaged 112.6
Those are premo midfield numbers.

If Heater continues with the big scores early, he could maintain his price, and then you'll be calculating ways to trade your mid-pricers up to him, or sacrifice a failed premo to get there. All the while losing ground on your competition.
On the other hand, he only needs one or two stinkers to drop to $500-520k and be ripe for the pickings. But he had only 7 scores under 100, and 4 of them were 90's. How far will his price plummet?

Having said all that, the money save on getting him now, may allow you to get better players in other positions.
eg (using similar pricing):
Shaw & Yeo vs McVeigh & Laird
Shaw & Stef Martin vs Bartel & Goldstein
and hundreds more combinations

So for me, he is in my starting squad, and will stay there until I see a better combination elsewhere using the money saved.

Complete opposite to your Goldy thinking at a similar price

 

[Raveneyes]

Complete opposite to your Goldy thinking at a similar price

Of course it's the opposite.

I'd prefer a "set and forget" ruck set-up. I'm a bit more flexible with defence.

Goldstein was also the GAJ of last year, and my 2nd player locked.

Any other flaws in my thinking?

 

[joop]

Its a gamble I suppose. Last year was clearly his best and most consistent year. I can't help but remember all those 40's he used to come up with though. Nobody seemed to go anywhere near him last year for some reason, where in years gone by he'd cop a lot more attention.

I know there were no $600+ defenders last year, but did any of the top priced guys not drop significantly at some point? Hodge maybe?

If you wait for all the best players to drop in price, which they all do at same point, your supercoach year is already done.

 

[Krujan]

I think the 2016 version of Bartel will be the 2015 version of Dane Swan. Lock.

Speaking of Swan, he might even be a POD this year. Haven't seen many teams with him in it so far.

 

[Pedro]

If you wait for all the best players to drop in price, which they all do at same point, your supercoach year is already done.

Possibly. I know I'm taking that approach by selecting Goldstein straight from the start. I just don't have the same confidence in H.Shaw. I'll probably change my mind a zillion times though.

 

[tiltraise]

Possibly. I know I'm taking that approach by selecting Goldstein straight from the start. I just don't have the same confidence in H.Shaw. I'll probably change my mind a zillion times though.

Goldy is a solid C/VC option Shaw much less so.

 

[Super Hans]

There's only a certain couple of players I feel 'safe' paying top dollar (600k+) for. Ablett, Fyfe, Pendles, Deledio. When you compare who you can get in the midfield for the 600k Shaw cost it just isn't worth it imo.

I would not be surprised if he goes back to averaging 90-95 also. Teams will surely tag him this year.

 

[rocker_oz33]

I wonder what sc def surprises are in store dis year.

Shaw was a gun best sc year yet.
Then those midpricers that came out and said hello boyz.
Laird breakout year.
Roberton back to the form he showed few years back.
Picken untagged those SC points.

Anyone putting on 6kgs in the preseason.

 

[Jiska]

I wonder what sc def surprises are in store dis year.

Shaw was a gun best sc year yet.
Then those midpricers that came out and said hello boyz.
Laird breakout year.
Roberton back to the form he showed few years back.
Picken untagged those SC points.

Anyone putting on 6kgs in the preseason.

And Jaensch??

 

[rocker_oz33]

And Jaensch??

Oh yeah the Jwench.

 

[Super Hans]

Anyone liking Simpson under the new coach?

 

[rocker_oz33]

I've had kade the last 2 years he's a soild scorer unsure on role under BB.
How many old farts can we carry?
McVeigh jimmy kade boyd etc.

 

[markm106]

In thinking Simpson is a solid choice however could also see him drop. Don't know why has averaged in the 90s for 8 of last 10 years. Just think he had potential to drop to the 80s.

 

[Daniel McL]

At the moment the DEF I'm looking at will be Shaw, McVeigh/Bartel (haven't decided yet aha), Laird, KK, then rookies.

Who are some good rookies we are looking at who could play most of 2016?

 

[Thuggee_Cult]

There's only a certain couple of players I feel 'safe' paying top dollar (600k+) for. Ablett, Fyfe, Pendles, Deledio. When you compare who you can get in the midfield for the 600k Shaw cost it just isn't worth it imo.

I would not be surprised if he goes back to averaging 90-95 also. Teams will surely tag him this year.

The main concern I have for Shaw is not so much Shaw himself, but the players around him.

Joel Patful is in a moon boot at the moment, and Phil Davis is injury prone.

If these two guys are missing come Round 1 and Shaw has to take up a more defensive role, then I would be willing to start without him.

 

[Great 2008]

Its a tough one, he averaged 86 this year, and 92 in 2013 when Suckling did his knee so there could be more points up for grabs for sure.

On the other hand I think with Suckling gone and Hodge/Mitchell further upfield, he might actually get more defensive forward attention.

FWIW I've got a gut feeling Gibson might be the better option again

Have Birchall in currently purely based on tempo footy and the lack of a sub. I have a feeling to soak up pressure or run down the clock the backs will share it around a bit more this year. Gibbo and Birchall both a chance to improve their scoring imo (amongst a few players from other clubs)

 

[Great 2008]

Interesting debate.
2015 was Shaw's highest SC year by far, so will he be able to keep it up?

Ranked 6 by year's end, with 13 scores over 110, and dropped below 85 only once. Averaged 112.6
Those are premo midfield numbers.

If Heater continues with the big scores early, he could maintain his price, and then you'll be calculating ways to trade your mid-pricers up to him, or sacrifice a failed premo to get there. All the while losing ground on your competition.
On the other hand, he only needs one or two stinkers to drop to $500-520k and be ripe for the pickings. But he had only 7 scores under 100, and 4 of them were 90's. How far will his price plummet?

Having said all that, the money save on getting him now, may allow you to get better players in other positions.
eg (using similar pricing):
Shaw & Yeo vs McVeigh & Laird
Shaw & Stef Martin vs Bartel & Goldstein
and hundreds more combinations

So for me, he is in my starting squad, and will stay there until I see a better combination elsewhere using the money saved.

I dumped Shaw for Bartel and upgraded B.Crouch to Jobe Watsdon at $499k (may be temporary depending on CAS result.). Just to highlight your point.

 

[rocker_oz33]

Taylor diarrhea prob take suckling role?
he scored well in later parts of last season.

 

[Pedro]

Speaking of Swan, he might even be a POD this year. Haven't seen many teams with him in it so far.

Its a disgrace that he's a MID only this year. If anyone should have retained FWD DPP its Swanny. He will play a lot more forward minutes than the likes of Montagna, Dustin Martin and plenty of other M/F's. Can't really have him at his price as a MID only.

 

[Krujan]

Its a disgrace that he's a MID only this year. If anyone should have retained FWD DPP its Swanny. He will play a lot more forward minutes than the likes of Montagna, Dustin Martin and plenty of other M/F's. Can't really have him at his price as a MID only.

I didn't realise Swan is Mid only this year, WTF?