2016 Draft discussion

[pauldrc]

There are a number of scenarios that run through my head.

All depends on who we pick at 3. Basically best from McGrath, McCluggage, Ainsworth or Brodie.

At 16, I'm dead keen on Oliver Florent if available. Can play inside and outside, and has that "x factor" about him.

If Florent is not there, either Simpkin or Witherden.

At 21 & 22. It's either Cedric Cox and Dylan Clarke if we haven't already picked up a HBF. Or SPP and Dylan Clarke if we pick Witherden at 16.

A HBF is a must, so to a inside contested mid. Both will be available around 16 & 21/22. Other than that a classy mid and/or HFF who plays both ways.

I like this thinking, sincerely hope our recruiters are also along similar lines....

 

[bungalow_bill]

Don't think so. I think there's a limit that only years that the player would've been previously under contract to the original team can be contributed to, but there's no written rules that I've been able to find in the CBA or the AFL's Rules. The Bulldogs contributed $1m towards Griffen's deal though.

Thanks

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

I'm assuming at least one of our picks will be unexpected, even possibly a dark horse. The scouts do look at a lot of players across Australia and it's conceivable one is thought of more favourably than the so-called highly rated ones.

 

[Hollow Knight]

I'm assuming at least one of our picks will be unexpected, even possibly a dark horse. The scouts do look at a lot of players across Australia and it's conceivable one is thought of more favourably than the so-called highly rated ones.

Yep, and on cue some posters will lose their freaking minds. I mean... what do recruiters know!?

 

[pulpdriver]

More posters are starting to pick Brodie now, just wondering if the rumours of him not wanting to move interstate are still there?

Pretty sure there was conflicting information there. I think the question was put to Twomey or another highly regarded draft watcher and he hadn't heard anything and suggested Brodie was very professional and playing interstate wouldn't be an issue for him.

 

[winged1]

Merrett's fault that so many inside 50s were occurring and it's up to Jack Frost to minimise the 131 points scored against the whole team.

Is this written by adults?

I read that this morning and shook my head, seriously. And that from a "football" paper.

 

[lionshine]

I'm assuming at least one of our picks will be unexpected, even possibly a dark horse. The scouts do look at a lot of players across Australia and it's conceivable one is thought of more favourably than the so-called highly rated ones.

Yep and if we don't have 1 unexpected/dark horse type pick I expect us to have 2-3.

 

[paran]

Got around to watching the under 18 game from Friday. A few thoughts:

Scrimshaw - was very ordinary in the first half with two woeful disposals leading to goals for the opposition. Better in the second half but I am not sure I trust him in defence. Seems to lack a bit of composure to me. Looks better on the wing in space.

Taranto - for me was easily the BOG. Did it through the middle and up forward.

McCluggage - love him up forward but I am still not convinced he is going to be an elite midfielder. I don't dislike him in the middle but I am just not sure he dominates through there. Could be a Redden type in the midfield (with the ability to go forward and kick goals).

SPS - not his best game I thought. Got a fair bit of it but was sat on and did not have the hurt factor that he often has. Showed some nice composure and time in traffic.

McGrath - showed some glimpses with really nice pace but did not dominate.

Ainsworth - played up forward mostly and showed that he is very good up there which everyone knew. Onball the ball came to him a few times and he did some nice things when he got it. The burst of pace he showed is important for him to make it at the next level.

Bolton - impact player. When he got it things happened. Would like to see him get more of it though.

Battle - looked the best forward out there. Kerr and Sproule on the next line with Marshall trailing in after them.

Olango - looked like the best ruck out there. Can actually win the taps and showed some nice evasiveness in tight. English was a bit meh.

Cox - was my pick of the key backs with Watson quietly having a very nice game as the next guy for me. Despite getting talked up a lot I thought
Garthwaite was well beaten and Maibaum did some things I really didn't like from my key defenders. Junker too slow.

Rotham - worked harder today than I have seen him in other games this year. He looks like a player. Not sure how many disposals Berry had but he did some nice things. I like both these guys as medium defenders more than Scrimshaw in that role.

Pepper-Powell - worked hard and impacted the game. Skills are solid and looks like a player who will make it at AFL level.

Cedric Cox - did a couple of nice things but also some very ordinary things. Was not involved as much as he should have been.

Daicos - slow but is a smart footballer and reads the play really nicely. I pick him if I am Collingwood. Brown was involved more but I just do not see it with him. Has no hurt factor.

Atley - needs to be played on the outside I think. Was onball a bit in this game and whilst he got first hands on a bit he is not one of those guys who seems to have time. In fact he is a bit panicy.

Bowes - accumulated disposals but got himself into trouble a lot. Lacked a bit of spatial awareness I thought. Did a few nice things and a few things that are going to drive Rocket insane.

Hayward - did a few okay things but not enough for me.

Florent - nice accumulating game. Did not have huge hurt factor but showed he could play onball against the best and do well. He is developing well. Better player than I saw in the middle of the year I think.

Perryman - crap game. I do not see it with him. There are a lot of rave reviews about his kicking and he does make some nice passes but he makes at least as many very poor kicks each game. I would have him in the 20s rather than the first round.

Drew - VFL player. Not good enough.

Scharenberg - disappointing and I thought he missed too many targets. He was a step slow all day. I worry about him after this game.

Quigley What was your opinion on Callum Brown? I was very surprised by his performance and quite impressed. Good head and mental speed to go with OK skills.

 

[Milk Steak]

Yep, and on cue some posters will lose their freaking minds. I mean... what do recruiters know!?

Well let's give the ones freaking out a bit of leeway. Paparone was selected very highly out of nowhere and I'd say most Lions fans are still hesitant to say that was a good call.

Edit:I will acknowledge that there wasn't much gold after his pick,but it was still a strange choice at the time.

 

[pauldrc]

Yep, and on cue some posters will lose their freaking minds. I mean... what do recruiters know!?

I was thinking more along the lines of us taking those types of players, not that they have to pick those guys specifically....

 

[SizeMatters]

Well let's give the ones freaking out a bit of leeway. Paparone was selected very highly out of nowhere and I'd say most Lions fans are still hesitant to say that was a good call.

Yep. A lot of strange calls by Lions recruiters in the past 15 years. I think they should be moved on before the start of next season or at least bring in someone who knows what they are doing.

 

[Leuy LongerCombo]

There are a number of scenarios that run through my head.

All depends on who we pick at 3. Basically best from McGrath, McCluggage, Ainsworth or Brodie.

At 16, I'm dead keen on Oliver Florent if available. Can play inside and outside, and has that "x factor" about him.

If Florent is not there, either Simpkin or Witherden.

At 21 & 22. It's either Cedric Cox and Dylan Clarke if we haven't already picked up a HBF. Or SPP and Dylan Clarke if we pick Witherden at 16.

A HBF is a must, so to a inside contested mid. Both will be available around 16 & 21/22. Other than that a classy mid and/or HFF who plays both ways.

Think we will end up with Ainsworth, with Essendon taking McCluggage and GWS with McGrath. I'm not 100% sold on McCluggage and Brodie, if McGrath and Ainsworth go 1 / 2, I hope SPS will comes into consideration.

Pick 16 I would like Florent as well, but a decent chance he's gone, would like to see a high impact player like SPP or Venables otherwise

Picks 21/22
A HFF Simpkin/Pariff
A HBF Witherden/Villis/Drew

I understand the need for a true contested mid, but don't like any of them.

Think we need to address speed and ball use, hopefully a couple of these will eventually move to a midfield role

 

[Dan12]

Ainsworth, Dylan Clarke and Zac Fisher are three I like around our picks. For any avid draft watchers out there, is there any reason Fisher isn't being rated higher? Seemed like a jet in a couple championships games, showed a heap of AFL traits and has apparently been playing WAFL seniors, yet seems like he's a 30-50 pick according to bigfooty?

 

[BigCat2]

Fischer is only 175cm, the only major knock on him.

 

[Bucking Beads]

Fischer is only 175cm, the only major knock on him.

It seems like a lot of the higher rated kids are quite short this year.

 

[briztoon]

Think we will end up with Ainsworth, with Essendon taking McCluggage and GWS with McGrath. I'm not 100% sold on McCluggage and Brodie, if McGrath and Ainsworth go 1 / 2, I hope SPS will comes into consideration.

Pick 16 I would like Florent as well, but a decent chance he's gone, would like to see a high impact player like SPP or Venables otherwise

Picks 21/22
A HFF Simpkin/Pariff
A HBF Witherden/Villis/Drew

I understand the need for a true contested mid, but don't like any of them.

Think we need to address speed and ball use, hopefully a couple of these will eventually move to a midfield role

Yeah, I think is 50/50 that Florent is gone by pick 16. I really have no idea of other teams needs or holes to fill. The top 6 to 10 it really is take the best player available, but after that, teams can really look to target specific needs.

My personal view is that I don't see Simpkin falling to our second round picks, and it's a 50/50 chance that Witherden does.

 

[13Beast]

I understand the need for a true contested mid, but don't like any of them.

Think we need to address speed and ball use, hopefully a couple of these will eventually move to a midfield role

I am hoping we can address that via the PSD (Barlow) or rookie draft (state league inside accumulator).

 

[pulpdriver]

Think we will end up with Ainsworth, with Essendon taking McCluggage and GWS with McGrath. I'm not 100% sold on McCluggage and Brodie, if McGrath and Ainsworth go 1 / 2, I hope SPS will comes into consideration.

Pick 16 I would like Florent as well, but a decent chance he's gone, would like to see a high impact player like SPP or Venables otherwise

Picks 21/22
A HFF Simpkin/Pariff
A HBF Witherden/Villis/Drew

I understand the need for a true contested mid, but don't like any of them.

Think we need to address speed and ball use, hopefully a couple of these will eventually move to a midfield role

How come? Seems like there's a nice group that's rated around the end of the first round with a few discernible flaws but plenty of scope for development. Can't say I'd be unhappy to take any of them.

 

[Maverick]

Hi Mav, you number cruncher, you.

G'day mate...if you google afl draft points system, there is an afl doc that explains the system with worked examples.

 

[ZoBlitz]

For all these rumours of us bidding on Bowes, is he actually worth pick 3?

 

[WA Lion]

Not for mine. 4 or 5 perhaps but not 3.

Difficult to pass up one of McGrath, mccluggage and Ainsworth

 

[Leuy LongerCombo]

How come? Seems like there's a nice group that's rated around the end of the first round with a few discernible flaws but plenty of scope for development. Can't say I'd be unhappy to take any of them.

A couple of reasons
I don't see any as a true contested beast, with the ones available lacking speed and foot skill in some degree. I already see us having better prospects in Mathieson and Keays, even JJ showed promise. We need to be wary of building a one paced midfield with average skills

Also historically these type of players are available nearly every draft in the second round, Matt Crouch, Luke Dunstan, Dunkley just a few off the top of my head. I don't see it as get one now, or we run the risk of missing out on that type of player.

As I stated I think we need to address speed and skill, and just prefer those prospect better at those picks for us.

 

[Sausages]

Hello chaps, been out of the loop for a bit.

Reading over the thread, and I'm no draft watcher, I'd just like to raise 2 points regarding midfielders:

1. Height....Harvey is only 172cm
2. Speed....Simon Black had endurance, not pace

The ball travelling is faster than anyone...what we NEED, imho, is footy skills first with an eye on endurance as opposed to blistering pace with average skills. Akermanis is probably the only one we've had who combined the two...and early on in his career he wasn't regarded as having the elite kicking skills he later became known for.

 

[thoselionslads]

Just about every draft our recruiters pick someone in the 20's that nobody has really heard of. They've also I think shown a distinct like towards third tall types, who are good runners and have positional flexibility.

 

[Jivlain]

Just about every draft our recruiters pick someone in the 20's that nobody has really heard of. They've also I think shown a distinct like towards third tall types, who are good runners and have positional flexibility.

And now we've got enough of them to be going on with, hopefully we mix it up a bit this year.