2016 Draft discussion

[jjami15]

Not sure about potential meltdown apart from maybe going for an Isaac Cummings or a Luke Ryan if we were to pass on a bigger name player. One thing is for sure from those two types as mentioned that we are possibly linked with is we are identifying footskills out of the backline as a must.

 

[charles202]

I've got to say I wouldn't be disappointed if we bid on both Bowes and Setterfield, both players are worthy of the pick and the overall impact on our three later picks would be significant...in both cases I see GWS and the Suns match..enough of playing nice the Suns took two of our players on inception and GWS have been gifted the world by the AFL while we have been left to rot on the frontier

 

[POBT]

I've got to say I wouldn't be disappointed if we bid on both Bowes and Setterfield, both players are worthy of the pick and the overall impact on our three later picks would be significant...in both cases I see GWS and the Suns match..enough of playing nice the Suns took two of our players on inception and GWS have been gifted the world by the AFL while we have been left to rot on the frontier

As long as someone else bids on Bowe before pick 10 and Setterfield before pick 15, then I don't think there's any impact on our next three picks. It doesn't really matter where those guys are drafted, as long as it is before we select again.

 

[blueiris]

Cal Twomey was on SEN today and mentioned we're looking at Ainsworth/McLuggage Simpkin Berry and Witherden and all could be chances of being available at our picks Simpkin probably the most likely would be gone because Sydney apparently like him in the top 10

 

[jjami15]

Cal Twomey was on SEN today and mentioned we're looking at Ainsworth/McLuggage Simpkin Berry and Witherden and all could be chances of being available at our picks Simpkin probably the most likely would be gone because Sydney apparently like him in the top 10

A lot of the chatter around Sydney is Logue. Might just be a possibility to slide then.

 

[blueiris]

A lot of the chatter around Sydney is Logue. Might just be a possibility to slide then.

Fremantle could be a chance with Logue being a WA boy it all depends on how highly they rate English

 

[Flea_29]

Cal Twomey was on SEN today and mentioned we're looking at Ainsworth/McLuggage Simpkin Berry and Witherden and all could be chances of being available at our picks Simpkin probably the most likely would be gone because Sydney apparently like him in the top 10

Working out what other clubs are looking for is hard to tell. All you need is one team or even two in the top 10 to pick a 'bolter' and this will throw the next 10-15 picks up in the air.
One would think that a G.Logue type might be on the Swans radar at pick 9 - lacking back talls.
I see the top 10 going like

TOP 3
ESS: McCluggage or McGrath (Brodie might be a surprise)
GWS: McGrath or Ainsworth
LIONS: McCluggage or Ainsworth

PICKS 4 - 10
GC would get 4 of: Bowes, Brodie, SPS, Scrimshaw, Taranto, English
Carl would get one of Taranto or SPS
Frem would get one of SPS or English
I would assume that English goes at either 7 (FREM) or 10 (GC).

Which leaves Sydney with either Logue or one of Simpkin/Florent at 9. I also can see them bidding on a number of GWS academy players and could get one here.

At 11, Nth will look at one of Berry/Simpkin/Florent/Logue
At 12, WCE will look at SPP.
At 13, Adel will look at two locals in Haywood or Graham or a Venables type.
At 14, Port will also look at Haywood or Graham
Pick 15 (GWS) will either be stripped from GWS or used on a Academy player.
Which then leaves us with a number of very good candidates at pick 16
- Berry/Simpkin/Florent/Witherden/Venables - as mentioned by Twomey
Pick 17: Port will look at Venables or Gallucci
Pick 18: WB will pick up Marshall to boast their key forward stocks
Pick 19: Syd will bid on a number of GWS players forcing GWS to match (Perryman/Mutch/Macreadie) and should get one.
Pick 20: Ess will look at Florent/Gallucci/Venables
Picks 21 & 22: Lions will look at Witherden/Bolton/Mutch or a slider

I can certainly see us getting 4 very good long term players in this year's draft.
Ainsworth/McCluggage at 3
Simpkin/Berry at 16
Simpkin/Witherden/Florent/Bolton at 21 & 22

Not sure if this is all just wishful thinking

 

[briztoon]

I've got to say I wouldn't be disappointed if we bid on both Bowes and Setterfield, both players are worthy of the pick and the overall impact on our three later picks would be significant...in both cases I see GWS and the Suns match..enough of playing nice the Suns took two of our players on inception and GWS have been gifted the world by the AFL while we have been left to rot on the frontier

Doesn't make one bit of difference to any of our picks where the GWS boys are bid on.

Makes minimal difference on our picks where Bowes is bid on, as long as a team in the top 9 bids on him.

 

[Hollow Knight]

I feel like the conversation has come full circle several times.

Two more weeks.

 

[Football Pope]

Time for a few more rounds.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

Time for a few more rounds.

Make mine a cheeky chardy.

 

[Panthera]

AFL draft 2016: Champion Data ranks the top 30 players based on their statistical performances

SAM LANDSBERGER, Herald Sun

THE AFL’s official number cruncher, Champion Data, has selected this year’s top 30 draft nominations based on their statistical performances.

The stats guru ranked Caleb Daniel at No. 16 in 2014, 30 spots before the premiership midfielder was taken.

Last year it rated NAB Rising Star winner Callum Mills at No.2.

Did Champion Data get it right? Want to know which prospects suit your club? CHAT LIVE with Champion Data from midday at SuperFooty.

If Champion Data was picking from the schoolyard, this is how next Friday’s draft would look.

Herald Sun draft expert SAM LANDSBERGER runs his eyes over Champion Data’s rankings and assesses when the players might be selected.

*** POWER RANKINGS***

1. Andrew McGrath (179cm, 75kg halfback) Sandringham Dragons

Averaged most disposals in TAC Cup as a midfielder and most disposals at championships of any defender.

SAM LANDSBERGER SAYS: Giants would love McGrath at No. 2 to play as a defensive forward and then help replace Heath Shaw. Dons undecided at pick one.

Andrew McGrath playing for the Sandringham Dragons in the TAC CUP. Picture: Christopher Chan.
2. Hugh McCluggage (185cm, 75kg midfielder) North Ballarat Rebels

Unprecedented goalkicking ability for a midfielder. Averaged 24 disposals and two goals in 17 games — a feat never achieved in the AFL.

SAM SAYS: Most clubs have McCluggage on top, but if the Bombers go McGrath he could fall to GWS or Brisbane. Glides through traffic.

3. Tim Taranto (186cm, 82kg midfielder) Sandringham Dragons

Averaged most SuperCoach points in TAC Cup and third most in the championships. Averaged more contested marks than any other TAC Cup midfielder.

SAM SAYS: Think Nat Fyfe. Taranto’s aerial prowess is massive and he spoils, shepherds and tackles. Could be Carlton’s at pick five.

4. Ben Ainsworth (179cm, 74kg forward) Gippsland Power

Demonstrated midfield capabilities late, averaging 29 disposals and three goals in final four games.

SAM SAYS: Has long been near the top of this class and likely to be a Brisbane Lion at pick three. In the Jamie Elliott mould.

5. Jack Bowes (187cm, 78kg midfielder) Cairns/Gold Coast academy

Most skilful midfielder in the draft. Wins his own ball, uses it efficiently, hits the scoreboard and has played against men in the NEAFL.

SAM SAYS: Gold Coast will secure this Simon Black-type midfielder as its first academy star. Will the Lions bid pick three and force a fair price?

Jack Bowes is part of the Gold Coast academy. Picture: Scott Fletcher
6. Will Setterfield (190cm, 80kg midfielder) Sandringham Dragons/GWS academy

Low disposal tally but a big body, strong at the contest, chips in defensively and can play forward.

SAM SAYS: Essendon could drop a draft bomb and bid for the GWS academy star at No. 1 Ripper kid who had 16 tackles in a TAC Cup final.

7. Jack Scrimshaw (193cm, 80kg defender) Sandringham Dragons

Only played seven TAC Cup games, but averaged second most disposals and most intercepts of any halfback.

SAM SAYS: Great kicking action, nice size and an impressive season after the previous two were plagued by injury. Suns lurking.

8. Harry Perryman (184cm, 75kg defender) Collingullie/GWS academy

Rated top 10 per cent for disposals, contested possessions, intercepts and metres gained at the championships. Small sample this season.

SAM SAYS: Yet another discounted gem for GWS. Not quick, but beautiful skills on both sides and has been playing against men for three years.

9. Sam Petrevski-Seton (181cm, 75kg midfielder) Claremont

Undersold for his hard edge. Won more than 50 per cent of possessions contested in WAFL Colts and ranked in the top 10 for tackles.

SAM SAYS: Had some thinking Cyril Rioli this year. Uses it well on both sides and should find a home in the top 10, possibly at the Suns or Blues.

10. Daniel Venables (186cm, 81kg forward) Western Jets

Only averaged 13 disposals at the championships, but won the second most AFL player ratings points of any forward.

SAM SAYS: Quality over quantity for Venables, who won a Vic Metro game offhis own boot. Powerful All-Australian who should go first round.

Daniel Venables playing for Vic Metro in the Under 18 Championships. Picture: Mark Dadswell
11. Brad Scheer (184cm, 83kg midfielder) Palm Beach-Currumbin/Gold Coast academy

Averaged fourth most player ratings points of any midfielder at the championships, from just 16 disposals per game.

SAM SAYS: Numbers resemble Marcus Bontempelli — can have a huge impact off limited disposals. Suns should secure Scheer, even if it means going into points deficit.

12. Dylan Clarke (187cm, 85kg midfielder) Eastern Ranges

Averaged 13 contested possessions and 5.5 clearances per game this year, both ranked No. 1 for any midfielder.

SAM SAYS: Kicking concerns mean he’s likely to fall in the second round. Brother Ryan Clarke impressed at North Melbourne this year.

13. Oliver Florent (183cm, 74kg half-forward) Sandringham Dragons

Could be the best outside midfielder. Averaged 21 disposals and kicked four goals in the final three TAC Cup finals

SAM SAYS: Resilient character with X-Factor and a penetrating kick. Some think he’ll stay in Victoria and could go as early as North’s pick 11.

14. Josh Battle (192cm, 90kg key forward) Dandenong Stingrays

Battle’s 3.0 goals per TAC Cup game the most of any player and his 11 goals at championships were almost the most.

SAM SAYS: Surprise to see Battle this high. Elite runner who will play as a third forward at AFL level. Could be in Richmond’s sights at pick 27.

15. Will Brodie (189cm, 82kg midfielder) Murray Bushrangers

In 35 Champion Data games, Brodie has won 30 disposals just once. Elite stoppage player, ranking in top 10 for clearances in the TAC Cup.

SAM SAYS: Long rated a top-five pick, but could slide a few picks. A blue-chip choice. Ready to rock as an inside midfielder.

Kobe Mutch playing for the Allies during the under 18 Championships. Picture: Mark Dadswell
16. Kobe Mutch (184cm, 79kg midfielder) Bendigo Pioneers/GWS academy

Finds the ball at every level. Kicking efficiency of 65 per cent impressive given his high contested possession rate.

SAM SAYS: Giants so rich in talent they’re likely to let this academy prospect blossom elsewhere. Accumulator with a streak of leadership.

17. Tim English (203cm, 86kg ruckman) South Fremantle

English averaged 18 disposals per 100 minutes game time at the championships — No. 1 for any ruckman.

SAM SAYS: Needs time but can impact midfield in the Dean Cox vein. Logical pick for Fremantle at No. 7, if Gold Coast doesn’t pounce first.

18. Jordan Galluci (183cm, 75kg midfielder) Eastern Ranges

Averaged 20 disposals and kicked 1.8 goals in TAC Cup while his 422m gained at the championships ranked No. 3 of any midfielder.

SAM SAYS: Great athlete who can put the jets on, ala Norm Smith winner Jason Johannisen. Crows and Power circling.

19. Zac Fisher (175cm, 61kg midfielder) Perth

No. 1 West Australian at the championships and their only player to average at least 20 disposals. Rated above average for goals and score involvements.

SAM SAYS: Small but crafty, Fisher was playing senior bush footy at 15 and impressed in the WAFL this year. Does size matter after Caleb Daniel?

20. Alex Witherden (184cm, 78kg defender) Geelong Falcons

In 12 Geelong Falcons games he averaged 18 disposals and seven contested possessions.

SAM SAYS: Classy right-footer boasts a deep kick and looks a slight chance to join Port Adelaide at No. 14.

21. Jy Simpkin (181cm, 71kg forward) Murray Bushrangers

Won 17 disposals, four clearances and kicked 1.4 goals in the TAC Cup and showed class at the championships.

SAM SAYS: Rated a top-10 shot before breaking his leg early in the season. Creative forward who will be strongly considered by Sydney and North Melbourne in the first 11 picks.

22. Jack Graham (183cm, 83kg midfielder) North Adelaide

Won the equal most disposals of any player at the championships. Strong inside and explosive outside, gaining second most metres of any midfielder.

SAM SAYS: Joined Tom Hawkins, Marc Murphy and Stephen Coniglio as a Larke Medallist, but a quad injury ended his year early. Second-rounder.

Jack Graham is a top draft prospect from North Adelaide. Picture: AFL Media
23. Will Hayward (186cm, 76kg forward) North Adelaide

Proven goalkicker, bagging eight from four games at the championships and 33 from nine SANFL under-18 games.

SAM SAYS: The bolter. Hayward booted 13 goals in his final two games to rocket into the top-10 conversation. Suns and Dogs, keen while Port and Crows have picks around the mark.

24. Shai Bolton (177cm, 67kg forward) South Fremantle

Best ball carrier at championships, gaining 431m per game. Can also win his own ball, recording a contested possession rate above 50 per cent in WAFL Colts.

SAM SAYS: Freakish talent with a clever sidestep and pace to burn. Would appeal to the Dogs, Pies and Swans.

25. Luke Bunker (185cm, 78kg midfielder) Northern Knights

Mr Consistent. Won 23 or more disposals in every TAC Cup match and had more score involvements than any other Vic Metro midfielder.

SAM SAYS: Huge surprise Bunker is here. No invite to the national combine suggests his best shot is the rookie draft.

26. Jarrod Berry (191cm, 80kg defender) North Ballarat Rebels

Only averaged 17 disposals for North Ballarat but did have standout games, including kicking 3.3 against Bendigo.

SAM SAYS: Won’t go top 10 as once thought, but can play anywhere on the ground and looks a future leader. Would fit the flexible Bulldog mould.

27. Sam Powell-Pepper (186cm, 83kg midfielder) East Perth

In 51 Champion Data games he never won 30 disposals. But averaged more than 300m gained from just 13 touches for Western Australia.

SAM SAYS: Bull at stoppages and can kicks goals. Supreme runner who looks a second-round selection.

28. Jonty Scharenberg (186cm, 80kg midfielder) Glenelg

Safe prospect with his output predictable. Was a top-five clearance player at the championships.

SAM SAYS: Brother of Collingwood’s Matthew loves the heavy work but lacks a bit of zip. Unlikely to be taken in the top 40.

29. Todd Marshall (198cm, 87kg key forward) Murray Bushrangers

Poor production since start of championships. Last 12 games averaged just eight disposals and 1.7 goals.

SAM SAYS: Glowing potential will see him drafted higher. Dogs would love him at No. 18 to learn from premiership stars Travis Cloke and Tom Boyd. Shouldn’t get past St Kilda’s pick 23.

Pick Me: Todd Marshall

30. Jacob Allison (194cm, 79kg midfielder) Aspley/Brisbane Lions academy

Struggled to find his best position. Liked his 2015 and showed glimpses this year he has star potential.

SAM SAYS: Lions likely to go into points deficit to grab Allison, should a bid come beyond pick 22. Can give it a roost off halfback.

AFL DRAFT ORDER

1. Essendon

2. GWS Giants

3. Brisbane Lions

4. Gold Coast

5. Carlton

6. Gold Coast

7. Fremantle

8. Gold Coast

9. Sydney

10. Gold Coast

11. North Melbourne

12. West Coast

13. Adelaide

14. Port Adelaide

15. GWS Giants*

16. Brisbane Lions

17. Port Adelaide

18. Western Bulldogs

19. Sydney

20. Essendon

21. Brisbane Lions

22. Brisbane Lions

23. St Kilda

24. Geelong

25. Carlton

26. Western Bulldogs

27. Richmond

28. Collingwood

29. Essendon

30. Port Adelaide

*Picks 15 and 37 could be stripped from GWS due to Lachie Whitfield saga

 

[lionshine]

I just read somewhere here on BigFooty(Already forgotten where but probably the Draft and Trading board) that Josh Battle has been invited to the draft. I guess the Dockers, Swans and Suns could all potentially be keen.

 

[Lace Out]

I just read somewhere here on BigFooty(Already forgotten where but probably the Draft and Trading board) that Josh Battle has been invited to the draft. I guess the Dockers, Swans and Suns could all potentially be keen.

What does invited to the draft mean ?

 

[M Malice]

What does invited to the draft mean ?

around 15-20 draft prospects get invited to go to draft night (25th november), apparently the clubs are asked who they would like to come to the draft. the reason for this is so that the top 10 can be presented with their club jumpers up on stage on the night.

the conclusion is that if you don't get an invite to draft night you wont be in the top 10 and if you do get invited you are a top 10 chance.

 

[jjami15]

What does invited to the draft mean ?

The top 15 or so are invited so that they can ensure that they have the top 10 there. Nakia Cockatoo-Collins was invited later when it became evident that he was going to go early. Not sure if Battle is top ten though but it would be great who the fifteen were.

Edit: snap, beaten to the punch.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

I don't think it can be assumed that Gold Coast would match bids on both Bowes and Scheer. In fact, I would think if they both got bids in the first round it would be a big call for them to match on Scheer as it would put them into a significant additional deficit for the first round next year.

 

[POBT]

I don't think it can be assumed that Gold Coast would match bids on both Bowes and Scheer. In fact, I would think if they both got bids in the first round it would be a big call for them to match on Scheer as it would put them into a significant additional deficit for the first round next year.

I guess I'm assuming Scheer is a second round prospect. I actually think he'd be a good get with one of our picks in the twenties but there's no chance the Suns won't match there.

 

[luthor]

AFL draft 2016: Champion Data ranks the top 30 players based on their statistical performances

26. Jarrod Berry (191cm, 80kg defender) North Ballarat Rebels

Only averaged 17 disposals for North Ballarat but did have standout games, including kicking 3.3 against Bendigo.

SAM SAYS: Won’t go top 10 as once thought, but can play anywhere on the ground and looks a future leader. Would fit the flexible Bulldog mould.

I know this is based purely on CD stats but does anyone here seriously think Berry will go this late?

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

I guess I'm assuming Scheer is a second round prospect. I actually think he'd be a good get with one of our picks in the twenties but there's no chance the Suns won't match there.

Agreed, my scenario was based entirely on first round. They have little downside in matching a second round bid.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

I know this is based purely on CD stats but does anyone here seriously think Berry will go this late?

No, but mainly because I think his value has been inflated by his combine results.

 

[Dalions]

Well i doubt he will get past our picks. I would be taking him at 16 if he was still available then. No way he is making it to 26.

 

[dlanod]

I know this is based purely on CD stats but does anyone here seriously think Berry will go this late?

You answered your own question. They're ranking them based off CD stats. It's not intended to be a mock draft ordering.

 

[Biggies]

Looking at those rankings, I wonder if Will Brodie is actually a chance to drop all the way to 16 (or 15 if we end up with that).

Could be huge if so.

 

[M Malice]

Looking at those rankings, I wonder if Will Brodie is actually a chance to drop all the way to 16 (or 15 if we end up with that).

Could be huge if so.

would be great, can not see it happening though, the suns would snap him up at one of their 4 top 10 picks IMO.