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SizeMatters said:
I haven't seen anywhere that suggests Scrimshaw won't come to qld. Sun's are keen on him and if they don't pick him with 6,8 or 10 then it would seem that he didn't want to leave Victoria after all.
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Yeah I reckon the Suns will select him with pick 10(Which will probably become pick 11 or 12 after GWS match bids for their academy boys).
 
Probably already been discussed, we have apparently 5 list spots to fill, is that before or after Archies promo? If its before, thats 4 spots, Allison and Watson if they get bids leaves 2...So is it expected we'll delisted a few more yet? Green obviously, plus maybe Bewick/Lester?
 

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iBeng said:
Probably already been discussed, we have apparently 5 list spots to fill, is that before or after Archies promo? If its before, thats 4 spots, Allison and Watson if they get bids leaves 2...So is it expected we'll delisted a few more yet? Green obviously, plus maybe Bewick/Lester?
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There's no guarantee we pick Allison or Watson we didn't pick all our Academy players last year
 
royboys4eva said:
Oliver Florent really finished the year well. I wouldn't mind him being available for one of our picks from 16-21. Is quick and finds the ball.
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I like Florent too but his father passed away a couple of months ago and he is the eldest child in a young family. Would seem unlikely he would re-locate.
 
royboys4eva said:
Oliver Florent really finished the year well. I wouldn't mind him being available for one of our picks from 16-21. Is quick and finds the ball.
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Wonder if his recent family issues are a retention factor though...
 
Bucking Beads said:
People keep saying that Scrimshaw has been pretty open about not wanting to come to Brisbane. If that is the case there is no way we should draft him.
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Coming to Bris or moving interstate ?
If it's moving interstate then he is in for a rude shock as 17 of the first 22 picks are from interstate clubs.

As like most on here, more than happy to take Berry with pick 16 then.
 
iBeng said:
Probably already been discussed, we have apparently 5 list spots to fill, is that before or after Archies promo? If its before, thats 4 spots, Allison and Watson if they get bids leaves 2...So is it expected we'll delisted a few more yet? Green obviously, plus maybe Bewick/Lester?
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I thought I read somewhere, that we could be looking to experienced players for our later pick/s.
Would not surprise me to see us use pick 76 on Allison, pass on pick 78, then hope that Watson doesn't get picked up so we can add him to our Rookie list.
Then get a Barlow/Grimes/other to train with us in the hope to get picked in the PSD.
This still requires us to delist 2 players.

We could rookie list a Grimes like player and then elevate him for Skinner.

Makes the decision to almost trade in Hartung & Whitecross a strange one considering our current position on list spots
 
Flea_29 said:
I thought I read somewhere, that we could be looking to experienced players for our later pick/s.
Would not surprise me to see us use pick 76 on Allison, pass on pick 78, then hope that Watson doesn't get picked up so we can add him to our Rookie list.
Then get a Barlow/Grimes/other to train with us in the hope to get picked in the PSD.
This still requires us to delist 2 players.

We could rookie list a Grimes like player and then elevate him for Skinner.

Makes the decision to almost trade in Hartung & Whitecross a strange one considering our current position on list spots
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Just on that, our web page(http://www.lions.com.au/season/players/senior-players.)all of our retirees and Hanley have been removed with the exception of Clarke, Does anyone know why that would be?
 
blueiris said:
I was hounded down last season for my love for Oliver I think Schache will be great though with Hipwood for the next ten years
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Hounded down? That's a new one.
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13Beast said:
Thanks Lionshine. Would love to hear Cotter and/or Quigley add to this conversation regarding Witherden and Berry too.

The way they are described; both leaders, good size, talented and highly skilled, flexible, potential mids in the future - I wouldn't be surprised if we took both if they were up and available at our picks. Could certainly do a lot worse IMHO.
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Witherden I've warmed to a bit more lately. I suspect he'll be a type that Fagan would love to have in the side going forward with his size, skill and smarts.

I'd love to nab Berry. We could really use some young leadership types. They'd both be quality additions. Hard draft to predict where they will fall. All clubs see it differently.

TheBrownDog said:
Wonder if his recent family issues are a retention factor though...
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People break different ways. Something that may break someone, can also be the making of someone else. Pretty confident the latter will be Oliver.
 
I was just having a look at some highlights on youtube (i know, highlights). Not sure I envy the people who'll be making the decision on draft night, hard to pick a standout from any of the top guys i looked at. I can see the Heath Shaw comparison with McGrath, but is his will his kicking reach the same level? McCluggage looks like a classy player, but apart from his forward smarts I didn't really see a standout attribute. Ainsworth is clearly a dangerous forward, great mark for his height. Still, you'd want to be pretty sure he can be more than just that at AFL level given where our list's at. I was actually quite impressed with Brodie. Looks good in close, but doesn't seem to just rely on his size and strength- showed some good evasiveness and also seems to have pretty good speed on the spread (bit hard to judge at times though). Disposal looks like it can be a little indiscriminate in contested situations though, and maybe tends to be a bit ambitious in general play. That's a criticism that could probably be directed at McCluggage and McGrath too at times. Is it just me, or do they both lack a bit of penetration in their kicking?
cotter101 said:
Witherden I've warmed to a bit more lately. I suspect he'll be a type that Fagan would love to have in the side going forward with his size, skill and smarts.

I'd love to nab Berry. We could really use some young leadership types. They'd both be quality additions. Hard draft to predict where they will fall. All clubs see it differently.



People break different ways. Something that may break someone, can also be the making of someone else. Pretty confident the latter will be Oliver.
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Interestingly, Chris25 thinks Allison might be bid on a lot earlier than expected. What do you think the chances of that happening would be?
 
carnthemlions said:
I was just having a look at some highlights on youtube (i know, highlights). Not sure I envy the people who'll be making the decision on draft night, hard to pick a standout from any of the top guys i looked at. I can see the Heath Shaw comparison with McGrath, but is his will his kicking reach the same level? McCluggage looks like a classy player, but apart from his forward smarts I didn't really see a standout attribute. Ainsworth is clearly a dangerous forward, great mark for his height. Still, you'd want to be pretty sure he can be more than just that at AFL level given where our list's at. I was actually quite impressed with Brodie. Looks good in close, but doesn't seem to just rely on his size and strength- showed some good evasiveness and also seems to have pretty good speed on the spread (bit hard to judge at times though). Disposal looks like it can be a little indiscriminate in contested situations though, and maybe tends to be a bit ambitious in general play. That's a criticism that could probably be directed at McCluggage and McGrath too at times. Is it just me, or do they both lack a bit of penetration in their kicking?

Interestingly, Chris25 thinks Allison might be bid on a lot earlier than expected. What do you think the chances of that happening would be?
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McGrath's kicking is good. He hits targets more often than not. McCluggage just has class and smarts. He knows where go and when to get there. You won't see many junior's with the same level of game sense.

Not many of the likely top picks are by any means stand out kicks.

On Allision, if he's bidded on earlier it's because another club wants to try and force our hand. I'd be surprised if that's the case given we can go into deficit rather than let it affect our picks this year(because this year is really what it's about for us list wise). On what I think the chances of that happening are, it really depends on just how high Chris25 is talking.
 

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cotter101 said:
McGrath's kicking is good. He hits targets more often than not. McCluggage just has class and smarts. He knows where go and when to get there. You won't see many junior's with the same level of game sense.

Not many of the likely top picks are by any means stand out kicks.

On Allision, if he's bidded on earlier it's because another club wants to try and force our hand. I'd be surprised if that's the case given we can go into deficit rather than let it affect our picks this year(because this year is really what it's about for us list wise). On what I think the chances of that happening are, it really depends on just how high Chris25 is talking.
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Interestingly the Essendon board now appears to be debating whether McCluggage is a bit tentative in contested situations. He seems to divide opinion a bit- Knightmare sees Aker-like qualities, Chris 25 thinks he might be look Jack Steele (could be a decent comparison?), Quigley seems to think he's more like a solid Redden type with forward smarts.

I think Chris25 has the bid on Allison coming at around 20 at the moment. He thinks Allison's height, speed + long kicking will attract teams even if he didn't do a lot this year.
 
carnthemlions said:
Interestingly the Essendon board now appears to be debating whether McCluggage is a bit tentative in contested situations. He seems to divide opinion a bit- Knightmare sees Aker-like qualities, Chris 25 thinks he might be look Jack Steele (could be a decent comparison?), Quigley seems to think he's more like a solid Redden type with forward smarts.

I think Chris25 has the bid on Allison coming at around 20 at the moment. He thinks Allison's height, speed + long kicking will attract teams even if he didn't do a lot this year.
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Wouldn't say tentative. It's an area he needs to improve on though. I'm not sure I really agree with any of those player comparisons. I'm going to throw up Beams as a comparison. He's not as good on the inside but he spreads nicely, runs to the right positions, kicks clutch goals and is just a classy all around.

I'd be surprised if a top 20-25 pick came for Allison.
 
Probably the more likely dilemma is if a bid comes for Allison after our pick 22 but fairly high - e.g late second or early third round. Will we match it?
 

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