Universal Love 2016 Draft Discussion

[GapInIkonPark]

SOS has actually recruited/traded/drafted 50% more tall forwards than defenders since he's been at the club. The thing I like is not the quantity of tall defenders SOS has brought in, but the quality. Plowman is a 3rd tall, not a KPD. Would be surprised if we retained Rowe and/or White at the end of the next season so our tall defenders don't run as deep as they would initially appear. Wouldn't expect either to have any trade currency of note.

Yet to see anything to convince me that KJ can cut it as a KPF at AFL level. Would like to see him given the role at CHB in the NB and given a list of KPIs to achieve. Make him literally run his arse off in becoming a proactive defensive option, setting up play off HB and set him a goal of 1 percenters to exceed every game. Weitering, Marchbank, Macreadie & Plowman are all young and at times will be managed/injured/suspended/rested so there will be opportunity for KJ if he does all the right things in the second half of the season. If we can get him playing good senior footy over an 18 month period then you've got a reasonable quality tradable product that other clubs are prepared to pay "fair value" for.

Will we get exposed on occasions running 4 or 5 relatively inexperienced defenders while they build chemistry??? Probably, but I'd also argue that was already happening.

Still cannot see KJ getting an opportunity. He could not get a game with Jamison done and Rowe (as he is) and we have now got Marchbank and Macreadie, and forwards he is behind Casboult, Charlie, Harry and Jones, and most likely Kerr too. Would have to be a calamitous run of injury.

 

[KohPhi]

Why is that?
What if it was wasted on Ben? We have pick #12 and Ben gets selected at #6.. we lose our #12 and get Ben.

If we trade our 2018 1st next season.. we get an extra 2017 1st. We then take Ben, who is bid on at #6 with two second rounders.

End result.
2017 1st & Ben, one less 2nd vs Ben and a 2nd.

We're basically trading a 2nd for a 1st.

Also.. we have now smashed two big drafts. We want to hit one more and get on with it. Dont want to be focusing on the draft by 2018. Tight age profile is where it is at.

Exactly.. the introduction of the points system for F/S works in our favour here. Why use a first when we can make up points with lower picks. Having said that though, lets just wait to see how Ben progresses..

 

[GapInIkonPark]

The logic is that while using the F/S system to have BSOS plus a first rounder in 2018 would be beneficial, that extra pick is needed more in 2017 and can be traded forward without dealing ourselves out of the 2018 draft.

So if Ben SOS went top few in 2018 Draft we would give up our second and third round picks because we don't have a first round pick?

Either use a top pick before he was bid on (GWS approach of having a pick before Setterfield was bid on) and give up our second and third picks, or use our top pick to match an earlier bid and then retain our second and third picks.

 

[TheHeatleyStand]

Still cannot see KJ getting an opportunity. He could not get a game with Jamison done and Rowe (as he is) and we have now got Marchbank and Macreadie, and forwards he is behind Casboult, Charlie, Harry and Jones, and most likely Kerr too. Would have to be a calamitous run of injury.

I don't think he was as far off as you think.
But he will have to jump on his scooter.
The club doesn't doubt his talent.. Probably need him to show urgency! So they were giving his tough love.
He does have quite a bit of competition now.
The moral of the story is don't waste time. He won't be able to pass more time now.

But nor will everybody else.

 

[GapInIkonPark]

Why is that?
What if it was wasted on Ben? We have pick #12 and Ben gets selected at #6.. we lose our #12 and get Ben.

If we trade our 2018 1st next season.. we get an extra 2017 1st. We then take Ben, who is bid on at #6 with two second rounders.

End result.
2017 1st & Ben, one less 2nd vs Ben and a 2nd.

We're basically trading a 2nd for a 1st.

Also.. we have now smashed two big drafts. We want to hit one more and get on with it. Dont want to be focusing on the draft by 2018. Tight age profile is where it is at.

See my reply post to FTR above. End result also is that we get no second or third round picks after selecting Ben at say #12 with say #6 gone. Not sure where the other 2018 second rounder comes from, but if we had one, our next pick would still be in 3rd round (no earlier than 30).

Would rather have pick 6 and Ben SOS and then our third pick in the fourth round.

 

[GapInIkonPark]

I don't think he was as far off as you think.
But he will have to jump on his scooter.
The club doesn't doubt his talent.. Probably need him to show urgency! So they were giving his tough love.
He does have quite a bit of competition now.
The moral of the story is don't waste time. Be won't be able to pass more time now.

But nor will everybody else.

Let's leave it as we disagree.

I will be pleasantly surprised if he comes good or if we can in any way trade him for something after Season 2017.

 

[The Bighouse]

Not sure where the other 2018 second rounder comes from.

Something about Hawthorn returning a favour.....

 

[El Topo]

So if Ben SOS went top few in 2018 Draft we would give up our second and third round picks because we don't have a first round pick?

Either use a top pick before he was bid on (GWS approach of having a pick before Setterfield was bid on) and give up our second and third picks, or use our top pick to match an earlier bid and then retain our second and third picks.

See my reply post to FTR above. End result also is that we get no second or third round picks after selecting Ben at say #12 with say #6 gone. Not sure where the other 2018 second rounder comes from, but if we had one, our next pick would still be in 3rd round (no earlier than 30).

Would rather have pick 6 and Ben SOS and then our third pick in the fourth round.

Think of it as taking your preferred approach, but moving pick 6 forward a year. We still take the high pick but this way the timing is better.

 

[Pafloyul]

We probably won't have as much currency next year. We have traded out our 2nd rounder. So it might be hard to make so many changes. Remember we were at the right place at the right time to pick up GWS players. GWS had to shed their list & we were the club able to make most the of it given where our list stood 2 years ago.

Although we have maybe 10 players on our list that won't play in a premiership team, 4 to 5 are required seasoned AFL footballers who are required to play a role during the Home & away season. These players are usually 27 to 32 ranked players. With 18 team comp you will never have an ideal list.

Due to our coming development year, we should have a low pick again. We don't have a 2nd rounder. We still need a couple of A graders, so we target. This should get our list to the potential 26 premiership mark

I'm thinking of one player that might have a bit of currency depending on the year he has (if it's really good we keep him, if it's just good enough he may be trade bait) but it's early days and I'm not sure his contract status. Not giving names because it's not helpful at this stage - all my opinion only, at this stage, not the club's.

 

[TheHeatleyStand]

Depends on how the midfield is going. If the midfield is holding its own and we have a player coming in via the uncontacted free agents system you'd let Gibbs go if all were still for it

 

[MightyMighties]

Can see Fisher playing quite a few AFL games next year. Might be towards the back end of the year though.

Love the fact we still have most of the 2015 crop to show us their wares before we even need to see the 2016 crop.

An embarrassment of riches

 

[GapInIkonPark]

I'm thinking of one player that might have a bit of currency depending on the year he has (if it's really good we keep him, if it's just good enough he may be trade bait) but it's early days and I'm not sure his contract status. Not giving names because it's not helpful at this stage - all my opinion only, at this stage, not the club's.

As per the BigFooty mantra ... Put it out there !

 

[GapInIkonPark]

Think of it as taking your preferred approach, but moving pick 6 forward a year. We still take the high pick but this way the timing is better.

All based on Ben SOS developing the way we hope.

Would want it to have been pick 9 if we bring it forward a year for a second first rounder in 2017.

If we are thinking it would be pick 6, I suggest we are better off keeping that pick and hope no club bids on Ben SOS in first 5 picks.

 

[The Smoking Gun]

This is my ode to the 2016 draft,
Another chance for SOS to prove his craft.

First up is the marvel of Petrevski-Seton,
Whose talent and skill just can't be beaten.
He loves a contest does our Sam,
When he tackles you, it's like Batman's BIFF, SOCK and BAM!

Fisher is next and he gets loads of the ball,
There is no doubting he will give you his all.
Of course he is small, he's our little Zac,
Not something you can say about our second Harry Mac.

It is said he can play down back, mid or forward
I hope he plays with the heart of our battler from Norwood.
GWS nurtured him, even moved him up to Syd,
I'm so glad they decided not to match our bid.

Next cab off the rank was a kid named Cam
Did you see the video of his big happy fam?
Did we hide him from testing, overplaying his shoulder?
It's a mystery worthy of agents Scully and Mulder

I hadn't heard much of the next guy, named Tom,
Apparently his athletic ability is the bomb.
So much so that one poster has likened him to Walker,
For progress reports, I rely on Zee, Harks and other VFL stalkers.

And finally we come to our very last pick,
A romantic selection of Laurie's grandson Patrick.
For the jumper you know his all he will give,
Otherwise he will answer to a feisty old lady named Viv.

All up on the day, six selections we did take.
So thylacine60, there's your senior team.....for 'goodness' sake.
All that is left is to draft a couple of rookies,
Who I'm sure I'll know nothing of until videos from The_Wookie.

Am I happy with the class of '16? You bet!
We're now 2/3 of the way through the reset.
Our kids are talented, hard-working and keen.
And will one day hold up the cup of premiership #17.

Like it ferrisb, but have ever thought about getting out more???

 

[Funk]

Why is that?
What if it was wasted on Ben? We have pick #12 and Ben gets selected at #6.. we lose our #12 and get Ben.

If we trade our 2018 1st next season.. we get an extra 2017 1st. We then take Ben, who is bid on at #6 with two second rounders.

End result.
2017 1st & Ben, one less 2nd vs Ben and a 2nd.

We're basically trading a 2nd for a 1st.

Also.. we have now smashed two big drafts. We want to hit one more and get on with it. Dont want to be focusing on the draft by 2018. Tight age profile is where it is at.

Didn't you get the email?

Ben will "do a shoulder in April 2018" and won't be seen again until draft night.

 

[therubbernub]

Exactly.. the introduction of the points system for F/S works in our favour here. Why use a first when we can make up points with lower picks. Having said that though, lets just wait to see how Ben progresses..

How the hell are we going to do that with his bad shoulder that keeps him out for most of the year?

 

[El Topo]

All based on Ben SOS developing the way we hope.

Would want it to have been pick 9 if we bring it forward a year for a second first rounder in 2017.

If we are thinking it would be pick 6, I suggest we are better off keeping that pick and hope no club bids on Ben SOS in first 5 picks.

I'd do it even without BenSOS in the picture. Much like Melbourne in 2015 we'll have assembled the core of our list and be ready to start climbing. A F/S pick in the year we traded our first rounder would be an added bonus and reduce the overall risk of the strategy, as opposed to being the strategy itself.

 

[blue healer]

Thanks Coach and once again apologies to Mrs Coach. For the record I do not consider myself fat!

Hairy, intoxicated and sleazy. You're happy with that?

 

[Funk]

Hairy, intoxicated and sleazy. You're happy with that?

Stop focussing on the positives

 

[ferrisb]

Like it ferrisb, but have ever thought about getting out more???

I leave the basement once a year, whether I need to or not...

 

[Tony Lynn 15]

I leave the basement once a year, whether I need to or not...

Put the ****ing lotion in the basket!!!

 

[blue healer]

Stop focussing on the positives

Actually thought the description was of Whatelys' mate with a lid.

 

[Toddski]

I just don't see it. Nor with Thomas, Jones and Boekhorst.

I think the drafting of Macreadie and Kerr confirms that Jaksch is not favoured by sos or bolts.

 

[Jimmae]

Buckley looks great with ball in hand running down the wing, but in close ,he just doesn't impact.
Watch Fisher and you see his mind ticking over, whereas Buckley draws blanks, more often than not.

I've always thought Buckley really opens things up with his handballing, and he didn't seem to struggle around the clearances this year when he did so.

Exactly.. the introduction of the points system for F/S works in our favour here. Why use a first when we can make up points with lower picks. Having said that though, lets just wait to see how Ben progresses..

You can only have as many picks and open list spots now, so if he's a first round talent, you're proposing picking two or more players at the back of the draft instead of maybe one.

You're better off advocating for trading up or down, or trading away 3rd and 4th round picks.

 

[TheHeatleyStand]

I think the drafting of Macreadie and Kerr confirms that Jaksch is not favoured by sos or bolts.

Think gorringe Rowe casboult Jones and already lost a tall in Foster then Everett kind of tall. These need to be replaced.
I wouldn't be putting the Kerr game ahead of kj game by any means.
Kj has more tools for the modern game..