I think his combine weight was 70kg, he'll build up from there. His hard overlap running will be an asset for the team. Probably play a bit more on the outside in the first few years but I am really confident his game translates to AFL.
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An intrinsic physic ability to work as a team. These kids are gunna blow the football world.
To get 4 gun mid, running, skilled, goal kicking mids.
Don't care what anyone says.
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So that's a no from you?
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A bit harsh maybe but I'm not sure of the value of bringing him in. Freo are short quality/quantity in defence...we are not. Seems strange on the surface!
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I wonder how many of these speedy little bastards Bolts will have running around in the 22.
Let them go bunta inside 50.
Would assume all fit, they all play Round One.
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How much experience does a team need? We have Rowe, White and Simpson there with experience. Plowman is in his 4th or 5th season. Our backline held up quite well last season.
I hope there is method to the choice, I would have liked another kid though. Oh well.
I don't think there's any doubt that Fisher will need time in the gym. I doubt he'll play much next year unless he shows in the NBs that weighing less than a wet towel isn't a disadvantage.
Look he can kick a football through the window of a moving car. We should have picked on that alone.
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Refresh my memory - which "draft expert" had us taking Taylin Duman at Pick 25?
Ended up going to Freo in the rookie draft
Ended up going to Freo in the rookie draft
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So if he's good aerially, loves to pressure and chase; and has good, slick disposal, why wouldn't you keep him as a Forward? We are struggling to find goal kickers - and Sumner has been fairly competent in this area and It's not like we don't have enough defenders now - in fact we are spoil for choice! I think Docherty could play the small/medium defender role that Zach Tuohy left until Byrne is ready to return.
He is needed more in the forward line than defense - or at least until one of the new lads can take this spot from him.
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We play circle work on Saturdays....
Was a rookie selection for 1 or 2 years. It will cover some of our younger defenders and ensure we rotate the defense to give the younger bodies a rest. Has hardly cost us anything plus an additional Silvagni name may draw a lot of extra members. It was a good selection and can't see why you are getting bent out of shape over it...
2/3 through the rebuild. This time next year will be a great time. Add another 6-8 talented new kids, maybe 1-2 gun trades to what we already have and we would have finally moved on from the awful deals like Thomas & Jones left by the previous administration. Next year will be exciting but 2018 will be the true rebirth of the Carlton FC
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Jake Bradley. We were very keen at the start of the year. I wonder what happened?
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I think that's going to change in 2017....
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Over 20 years in the wilderness - Moses warned me about this shit........
as someone who enjoyed the success of carlton during the 60s 70s & 80s the last 20 years have been a nightmare. 5 years ago I almost gave up as I saw no future with the people we had in charge. Now I see real hope and excitment and honestly believe we can be top 4 and seriously challenging in 2019.
It is fair to say there is overwhelming positivity for our trading/drafting in 2016 (perhaps even more than last year).
Proof that we BF posters are not all group-thinking Carlton bath water drinking droogs is the very sensible questioning of the drafting of Alex Silv, inappropriately appearing on his Welcome Thread.
I am delighted with our trading/drafting and think 2018 we could be a real force. I am even happy we didn't get Phillips (as reported by EP) who looks a spud compared with Polson or W'son.
The question raised by the drafting of 29 year old AS is: Why?
Suggested answers include separately and/or in combination:
1. We need a wise old head down back with Jamo gone to help our young talls.
2. At 192 cm AS can play tall and small.
3. He will help develop JGM, HMc etc whilst playing in the VFL.
4. Insurance if struck by injury.
5. It doesn't matter, it was only rookie pick 23.
6. He is good friends with Fyfe and . . .
7. His form was great at the end of last season. Freo would have kept him but they have gone down a youth path..
8. He is Carlton - good for culture.
9. Actually, if you look at who was left, he was the very best next player.
10. The plan is he will replace Rowe who will replace Caz.
11. Rowe is finished so we need the back up.
12. He is an upgrade on White.
13. Nepotism.
IMO the only answer that makes sense to me is 13.
Answer 1: Rubbish, Jamo was gone last year and we did not lose games because of our poor defence. Further, W'ring, Plowman have had break-out seasons, we have added MaCreadie and Marchbank and still have JGM developing. We want to give our young KPDs a run at AFL level when opportunity and form permit, not block it by playing AS.
Answer 2: I have never seen AS play on a small, he is not quick or agile enough.
Answer 3: AS could develop players at the NBs by picking him up for the NB.
Answer 4: See answer 1. Plus, we would need a fair wack of injury to get through White, Jaksch and Rowe on top of the 5 KPDs named in answer 1 before we "needed" AS.
Answer 5 & 9: Of all the "answers" this is the worst. Unlike every sperm, every draft pick, including rookie draft pick, is valuable. At pick 23 of the rookie draft a player with huge up-side but huge risk (often a ruckman, McInerney anyone?) can be taken. It is definitely NOT the pick to take "best available". We should be looking at potential only. Since AS is all but guaranteed not to be part of any Carlton side pushing for a Flag (no one has suggested it, mercifully), one would need to be very sure there was no one else who was going to make it. Give me an Anthony Raso wing and prayer pick any day.
Answer 6: This answer is a joke, right?
Answer 7: I accept his form was good at the end of last season. I have always liked him as a player, he concentrates well and can play on taller players quite effectively. If Freo don't want him because they are going down a youth path, well, guess what, so are/should we be. Only we are one year ahead of Freo and already have the KPDs in.
Answer 8: If the recruitment of AS makes a scrap of difference to the culture of the Club, dog help us.
Answer 10: AS cannot replace Rowe as a KPD - he is too small - and we have many options now need to be given the chance to show it.
Answer 11: I do not agree Rowe is finished. He still has a place in our best 22 to play on monster forwards like Lynch, Dixon, Boyd, Patton etc. if we do not think our young talls are ready for it. AS can't play on those type of KPFs anyway.
Answer 12: Being an upgrade on White (which he might be) is not a recommendation for selecting AS. White was not an automatic last season and is less likely to be this year. Plus, White has shown more versatility than AS ever has playing forward (and even on-ball in a tagging role) because he has extra leg speed.
Answer 13: Nepotism remains, as Sherlock might deduce, the only plausible answer.
I know the above will read like a pedantic rant over our last live draft pick, particularly given my happiness with all other trading/drafting decisions 2015 and 2016. But IMO AS was a poorly reasoned draft pick who runs counter to all that is trying to be achieved with the list. Sure, it is the least of our picks but I dislike the departure from the strategic path SOS has, up to this point, strictly followed. And I don't want repeats.
Proof that we BF posters are not all group-thinking Carlton bath water drinking droogs is the very sensible questioning of the drafting of Alex Silv, inappropriately appearing on his Welcome Thread.
I am delighted with our trading/drafting and think 2018 we could be a real force. I am even happy we didn't get Phillips (as reported by EP) who looks a spud compared with Polson or W'son.
The question raised by the drafting of 29 year old AS is: Why?
Suggested answers include separately and/or in combination:
1. We need a wise old head down back with Jamo gone to help our young talls.
2. At 192 cm AS can play tall and small.
3. He will help develop JGM, HMc etc whilst playing in the VFL.
4. Insurance if struck by injury.
5. It doesn't matter, it was only rookie pick 23.
6. He is good friends with Fyfe and . . .
7. His form was great at the end of last season. Freo would have kept him but they have gone down a youth path..
8. He is Carlton - good for culture.
9. Actually, if you look at who was left, he was the very best next player.
10. The plan is he will replace Rowe who will replace Caz.
11. Rowe is finished so we need the back up.
12. He is an upgrade on White.
13. Nepotism.
IMO the only answer that makes sense to me is 13.
Answer 1: Rubbish, Jamo was gone last year and we did not lose games because of our poor defence. Further, W'ring, Plowman have had break-out seasons, we have added MaCreadie and Marchbank and still have JGM developing. We want to give our young KPDs a run at AFL level when opportunity and form permit, not block it by playing AS.
Answer 2: I have never seen AS play on a small, he is not quick or agile enough.
Answer 3: AS could develop players at the NBs by picking him up for the NB.
Answer 4: See answer 1. Plus, we would need a fair wack of injury to get through White, Jaksch and Rowe on top of the 5 KPDs named in answer 1 before we "needed" AS.
Answer 5 & 9: Of all the "answers" this is the worst. Unlike every sperm, every draft pick, including rookie draft pick, is valuable. At pick 23 of the rookie draft a player with huge up-side but huge risk (often a ruckman, McInerney anyone?) can be taken. It is definitely NOT the pick to take "best available". We should be looking at potential only. Since AS is all but guaranteed not to be part of any Carlton side pushing for a Flag (no one has suggested it, mercifully), one would need to be very sure there was no one else who was going to make it. Give me an Anthony Raso wing and prayer pick any day.
Answer 6: This answer is a joke, right?
Answer 7: I accept his form was good at the end of last season. I have always liked him as a player, he concentrates well and can play on taller players quite effectively. If Freo don't want him because they are going down a youth path, well, guess what, so are/should we be. Only we are one year ahead of Freo and already have the KPDs in.
Answer 8: If the recruitment of AS makes a scrap of difference to the culture of the Club, dog help us.
Answer 10: AS cannot replace Rowe as a KPD - he is too small - and we have many options now need to be given the chance to show it.
Answer 11: I do not agree Rowe is finished. He still has a place in our best 22 to play on monster forwards like Lynch, Dixon, Boyd, Patton etc. if we do not think our young talls are ready for it. AS can't play on those type of KPFs anyway.
Answer 12: Being an upgrade on White (which he might be) is not a recommendation for selecting AS. White was not an automatic last season and is less likely to be this year. Plus, White has shown more versatility than AS ever has playing forward (and even on-ball in a tagging role) because he has extra leg speed.
Answer 13: Nepotism remains, as Sherlock might deduce, the only plausible answer.
I know the above will read like a pedantic rant over our last live draft pick, particularly given my happiness with all other trading/drafting decisions 2015 and 2016. But IMO AS was a poorly reasoned draft pick who runs counter to all that is trying to be achieved with the list. Sure, it is the least of our picks but I dislike the departure from the strategic path SOS has, up to this point, strictly followed. And I don't want repeats.
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Possible, plausible - can't argue with that.
I still think he can offer both leadership and experience to a young NB's backline, plus injury cover while we continue to develop JGM and Macreadie, without there being anything sinister about his selection. If we'd recruited him to the NB's, he couldn't cover senior injuries, and I have no idea about the financial viability of our VFL side so it's hard to say whether they could have offered a salary package that would make a move to Melbourne viable for him.
Everyone will have their own opinion based on the face value of this pick-up. In the end, the value of his selection may never really be known. If our backline stays healthy, he may not be required and we may look back on him as a wasted pick. But a few injuries could turn his recruitment into a very astute move, in hindsight.
Nepotism isn't off the table, but presumably SOS would have had extensive discussions with others at the club to sound out our preferred or possible recruits - if he had no support from within the club, I'm not sure he'd be the type to risk his own reputation, credibility and integrity by drafting his cousin against the wishes of the coaching and recruitment team.
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I'd read somewhere that he was 71kgs at the combine so am running with that! It may just be short bloke solidarity but I'm bullish about this pick.
Move on , signed a senior body (Alex Silvagni) as cover for 1 year , All good no conspiracy here..
Watched an interview with AS after a Freo match.
Was super impressed with the sensible, intelligent, analytical, mature and team focussed way he dealt with the questions.
Apparently he is a very smart guy.
Sounds like a bloody good locker room mentor to me.
I don't really care too much what he contributes on field in 2017 if he can have a really positive influence on the young guys output for the next 10 years.
Was super impressed with the sensible, intelligent, analytical, mature and team focussed way he dealt with the questions.
Apparently he is a very smart guy.
Sounds like a bloody good locker room mentor to me.
I don't really care too much what he contributes on field in 2017 if he can have a really positive influence on the young guys output for the next 10 years.
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Rubbish! The plausible answer is that we wanted an older experienced defender for a year and he was the one rated the most highly. If COS had not played reasonable footy and finished last year in good form your theory could be a possibility however that's not the case.
Yes it does sound like that and a complete waste of a well written post.
The logic behind the pick is sound in my opinion.
This makes the most sense to me, place an experience defender with some potential coaching ability with our young defenders. He can show them the art of defending at AFL level. You can almost have a player coach.
At worst, he will be cover if we run into some injuries with regards to our defenders, not placing pressure on our young tall defenders. Weitering may even need a 1 week rest and he could be a great 1 week cover.