Discussion 2016 draft haul

[gringo2011]

If Coffield returns to his 2020 form or goes past it there is absolutely no reason we can't "carry" both he and Highmore.

Have to push someone else out though.

 

[BrutThough]

Have to push someone else out though.

If Coffield returns to his 2020 form, he is one of the first picked.

 

[bird_man]

Have to push someone else out though.

Nothing wrong with that.

Coffield at his best makes us a better side then whoever misses out.

I've definitely got both in my best 22

 

[gringo2011]

Nothing wrong with that.

Coffield at his best makes us a better side then whoever misses out.

I've definitely got both in my best 22

He was very good last year but can you carry Highmore, Wilkie and Coff? If we bring in an extra tall we are getting a lot of those in-between types and talls. Coffield need to reinvent his game to use his run IMO or he's probably going to be at Sandy IMO. Highmore probably stepped into his role but was better at it. Coff was close to AA quality in 2020 so there is hope for him.

 

[bird_man]

He was very good last year but can you carry Highmore, Wilkie and Coff? If we bring in an extra tall we are getting a lot of those in-between types and talls. Coffield need to reinvent his game to use his run IMO or he's probably going to be at Sandy IMO. Highmore probably stepped into his role but was better at it. Coff was close to AA quality in 2020 so there is hope for him.

Yes, I cant see any reason why they can't.

I agree id like to see Coff take the game on more and use his run and carry.

Even if he doesn't though but returns to his 2020 form then they all play IMO.

Coff seems to prefer playing on smaller types. Wilkie can do both as can Highmore.

If we can start playing a quality team defence under Enright then having that many players that can intercept the ball coming in would be a nightmare for opposition sides.

All of Geelongs back 6 were 190cm plus in last year's grand final. All able to intercept the ball coming in.

 

[gringo2011]

Yes, I cant see any reason why they can't.

I agree id like to see Coff take the game on more and use his run and carry.

Even if he doesn't though but returns to his 2020 form then they all play IMO.

Coff seems to prefer playing on smaller types. Wilkie can do both as can Highmore.

If we can start playing a quality team defence under Enright then having that many players that can intercept the ball coming in would be a nightmare for opposition sides.

All of Geelongs back 6 were 190cm plus in last year's grand final. All able to intercept the ball coming in.

Not my ideal set up. Battle will be interesting to see too. Hard to know how to make the most of it.

 

[bird_man]

Not my ideal set up. Battle will be interesting to see too. Hard to know how to make the most of it.

Yeah it's going to be an interesting year for him.

Glad we are at least going to try him defence again though.

He showed a bit of promise in that role 2 years ago. He's got a lot of work to do though.

 

[Hayes4PM]

Geez, have we really had Battle here since 2016? **** we need to just settle him in a position permanently.

 

[plugger66]

Trying to argue that our drafting in that era was okay is even hard for you to argue. Luckily the Lethlean review seems to have acknowledged the mistakes and removed the problem and then sacked all the players taken in that era and started again. We even seem to have thought that the refuse from other clubs looks better than the payers we picked.

7 players are left from the 2015 list, Geary, McKenzie, Ross, Billings, Membrey, Webster and Sinclair. Hardly a dream team. 2017 we then have Gresham, Steele, Long, Battle, Joyce and Marshall added. Since then we've turned over 32 players and actively encouraged Billings and Ross to move on.

The Trout/Richo era of drafting was probably the single worst sustained period in modern footy. Steele was pinched from GWS and Marshall is promising to be A grade off the rookie list but it's impossible to defend it as acceptable.

If we'd drafted the forum favourites we would look like a different and much better side. Lethlean and Libba have had fu** all access and still managed to do more in 3 years than they did in 7.

Who is arguing it’s ok? You mentioned the words not me. What isn’t ok is then mentioning the best player in the pick available for us. Under those circumstances every single club would fail. Simple as that. I mean the obvious example is bont over billings. You say the forum could do better. Firstly I doubt anyone had bont over billings. You certainly didn’t. Bont was to tall for a mid. Secondly you do realise about 100 people have about 50 different names and like me remembering you saying bont was to tall you remember the successful calls. I can assure if we brought up all the picks but the forum people there would be many more failures than successes. Come on gringo. Surely you are to smart to think like that.

 

[L_W_P]

I still think 90% of it is drafting. Gun players came through at Melbourne while they were in the same position and plenty failed like ours too. Your head recruiter is the most important job in footy. Draft badly in a few drafts in a row and you can burn 10 years. Get three guns in one draft like the Hawks did back in the day and you shoot up the ladder. We were into HBFs and recycled rucks and have fu** all to show for either.

Interesting.

I'm squarely in the "Development > Drafting" camp.

Swap Billings for Bont and what happens? Does Richo play Bont forward like he did with Acres?

Swap McCartin for Petracca and what happens? Does our development ever have that harsh talk to him about his weight and preparation? Does he drop the FIGJAM attitude without guys like Jones and Gawn to give him a clip?

Put Richard Tambling at the Hawks under Clarko and I rekon he thrives. Terry Wallace would have had Franklin at CHB to 'learn the game'.

 

[Joffaboy]

Who is arguing it’s ok? You mentioned the words not me. What isn’t ok is then mentioning the best player in the pick available for us. Under those circumstances every single club would fail. Simple as that. I mean the obvious example is bont over billings. You say the forum could do better. Firstly I doubt anyone had bont over billings. You certainly didn’t. Bont was to tall for a mid. Secondly you do realise about 100 people have about 50 different names and like me remembering you saying bont was to tall you remember the successful calls. I can assure if we brought up all the picks but the forum people there would be many more failures than successes. Come on gringo. Surely you are to smart to think like that.

This forum and not bagging anyone just putting names out there wanted the likes of, Richmonds McKenzie, Bonar, O'Rouke, Jaschke, Hall, the bloke who told his brother about Adelaides game plan, and a host of others that were out and out busts.

I have said the only out and out mistake was Paddy over Petracca, and even that would have been not bad if McCartin wasn't an injury bust, he could play the game. Billings over Bont, any recruiter would have taken Jack every day of the week. The Bulldogs would have taken him if we had of taken someone else. I am a bit bewildered the bagging Billings cops, have watched a fair bit of our seasons highlights and he is regualarily in them. Obviously Bont is better but a recruiting mistake? In that case every AFL made a recruiting mistake not picking up Marshall and Sharman.

The forum gets excited by 1.30 minutes of highlights. When you don't have full exposure of a player it is laughable to say one player over another from highlights, AND that they are underdeveloped 18 year old. I get bagged on here after my fulsome praise of Bytel when he destroyed an opposition in the VFL. Fair enough people have only seen him in an AFL run with role, it is not until you watch a player multiple times in their preferred position until you can get an idea of their real skills and abilities.

its the same about these NGA's, everyone busting their nut over these guys and hardly anyone has seen them play. Draftee watchers rate them in pick 20's and 30's so their aren't what the heightened expectations of them are.

The recruiters got bagged for not matching Biggy Nguyon instead picking up Connelly. They had exposed for to go on, we had hype and hope.

 

[borderbarry]

Not including new recruits we have some work to do to get Sharman Paton and Gresham into the team. WHo makes way for Gresham and Paton. On Form Sharman would be our first forward selected in my opinion, I would love to see him at Full Forward, and Max at CHF.

 

[gringo2011]

This forum and not bagging anyone just putting names out there wanted the likes of, Richmonds McKenzie, Bonar, O'Rouke, Jaschke, Hall, the bloke who told his brother about Adelaides game plan, and a host of others that were out and out busts.

I have said the only out and out mistake was Paddy over Petracca, and even that would have been not bad if McCartin wasn't an injury bust, he could play the game. Billings over Bont, any recruiter would have taken Jack every day of the week. The Bulldogs would have taken him if we had of taken someone else. I am a bit bewildered the bagging Billings cops, have watched a fair bit of our seasons highlights and he is regualarily in them. Obviously Bont is better but a recruiting mistake? In that case every AFL made a recruiting mistake not picking up Marshall and Sharman.

The forum gets excited by 1.30 minutes of highlights. When you don't have full exposure of a player it is laughable to say one player over another from highlights, AND that they are underdeveloped 18 year old. I get bagged on here after my fulsome praise of Bytel when he destroyed an opposition in the VFL. Fair enough people have only seen him in an AFL run with role, it is not until you watch a player multiple times in their preferred position until you can get an idea of their real skills and abilities.

its the same about these NGA's, everyone busting their nut over these guys and hardly anyone has seen them play. Draftee watchers rate them in pick 20's and 30's so their aren't what the heightened expectations of them are.

The recruiters got bagged for not matching Biggy Nguyon instead picking up Connelly. They had exposed for to go on, we had hype and hope.

A few misses is expected, the lack of AA quality players drafted over a 15 year period isn't a few misses it's a pattern. Even the club has gone and delisted or traded away (very few even got a second chance) 3/4 of the list from a few years ago. It was a catastrophic failure.

 

[Joffaboy]

A few misses is expected, the lack of AA quality players drafted over a 15 year period isn't a few misses it's a pattern. Even the club has gone and delisted or traded away (very few even got a second chance) 3/4 of the list from a few years ago. It was a catastrophic failure.

How is that addressing the quote of my post? It had nothing to do with AA selection, it was in reference to this forum selecting better recruits, I gave examples of the type of recruits this forum wanted. I suppose you are correct, if we had have taken those players wew would have been wooden spooners for half of the last ten years so would have got a few AA from the 5 no.1 picks we would have got.

Why did AA suddenly become the only measure of a recruit? Does every player have to become an AA? You don't even take circumstance into account. In 2011 we come off basically 8 years of a group that was full of AA's. We bottomed just as compromised drafts occurred, we didn't have the picks basically. Billings still a first 22, McCartin Injury bust, who else until Clark and Coffield were a first round pick in those days?

Really changing the goalposts and then using hyperbole is not a great argument.

 

[Dr Spaceman]

A few misses is expected, the lack of AA quality players drafted over a 15 year period isn't a few misses it's a pattern. Even the club has gone and delisted or traded away (very few even got a second chance) 3/4 of the list from a few years ago. It was a catastrophic failure.

Satan has heard your complaining about the lack of All Australians and has taken it upon himself to rectify the problem [emoji1303][emoji1037]

 

[AirWinmar]

He was very good last year but can you carry Highmore, Wilkie and Coff? If we bring in an extra tall we are getting a lot of those in-between types and talls. Coffield need to reinvent his game to use his run IMO or he's probably going to be at Sandy IMO. Highmore probably stepped into his role but was better at it. Coff was close to AA quality in 2020 so there is hope for him.

Yeah personally think we have too many 3rd tall defenders. Wilkie, Highmore, Coff and potentially Battle. All good players in their right spot, but we would be much better setup with a good genuine kpd. I'd trade one that has value, but wouldn't trade Coff as think he has the highest potential from the lot.

Battle's development the last 2 seasons has been atrocious. He's gone from a good player to a below average one on form.

 

[bird_man]

Yeah personally think we have too many 3rd tall defenders. Wilkie, Highmore, Coff and potentially Battle. All good players in their right spot, but we would be much better setup with a good genuine kpd. I'd trade one that has value, but wouldn't trade Coff as think he has the highest potential from the lot.

Battle's development the last 2 seasons has been atrocious. He's gone from a good player to a below average one on form.

Battle is the one in trouble unless he can turn himself into a key defender.

Wilkie, Highmore and Coff can all fit in, even if we find another key defender because they all have different traits and can play on smaller types.

With the emergence of Sharman and the fact we want to play 2 rucks means he's going to struggle to find a spot at the other end of the ground also.

 

[AirWinmar]

Battle is the one in trouble unless he can turn himself into a key defender.

Wilkie, Highmore and Coff can all fit in, even if we find another key defender because they all have different traits and can play on smaller types.

With the emergence of Sharman and the fact we want to play 2 rucks means he's going to struggle to find a spot at the other end of the ground also.

Yes he will struggle to nail a spot down. I reckon had he been given the same time as Wilkie to play down back his output would be similar, but he has been a victim of his own versatility and Ratts wing experiment.

Howard would be a lock and we should be locking Sincs at half back flank. That leaves 4 spots onfield and 1 bench out of Wilkie, Highmore, Coffield, Paton, Webster and gun kpd. Hopefully Clark is in the mids and you have Connolly developing as a hbf / wing.

Not sure how Paton will come back, but at his best couldn't leave him out, I wouldn't leave Jweb out either if his form is as good as it was this year. Coff has got the skill and attributes to be a gun hbf, so I would lock him in there.

That leaves 2 spots out of said gun kpd, Highmore and Wilkie and assuming Clark is in the guts

 

[bird_man]

Yes he will struggle to nail a spot down. I reckon had he been given the same time as Wilkie to play down back his output would be similar, but he has been a victim of his own versatility and Ratts wing experiment.

Howard would be a lock and we should be locking Sincs at half back flank. That leaves 4 spots onfield and 1 bench out of Wilkie, Highmore, Coffield, Paton, Webster and gun kpd. Hopefully Clark is in the mids and you have Connolly developing as a hbf / wing.

Not sure how Paton will come back, but at his best couldn't leave him out, I wouldn't leave Jweb out either if his form is as good as it was this year. Coff has got the skill and attributes to be a gun hbf, so I would lock him in there.

That leaves 2 spots out of said gun kpd, Highmore and Wilkie and assuming Clark is in the guts

Paton and Webster could be fighting for the same spot.

If we play Battle or find another genuine key defender then one probably misses out IMO.

Wilkie - Howard - Webster/Paton
Highmore - KPD - Sinclair
Coffield on the bench

 

[Stan_Darsh72]

Looking at this draft and it was a good one for Rucks.

 

[AirWinmar]

Paton and Webster could be fighting for the same spot.

If we play Battle or find another genuine key defender then one probably misses out IMO.

Wilkie - Howard - Webster/Paton
Highmore - KPD - Sinclair
Coffield on the bench

Could be or it could be Wilkie or Highmore depends on what they want to go with. Paton needs to come back first, but take away his injured year has more runs on the board than Highmore as does JWeb although Highmore looks promising. I don't rate Wilkie's season this year as very good either overall..