Strategy 2016 Draft Needs

[marty36]

Better tell Marty - he was offering $$ to anyone that wanted to say the same

No one was prepared to take it

 

[marty36]

I just think there are better players - even at pick 43

Time will tell on that to who can play 100 AFL games

 

[Mismatched]

Begley's an interesting one, well built for his age and obviously needs to do some work to push into the midfield, but I like the forward types who become midfielders. I think they tend to have a greater understanding of how to move the footy into the forward 50 and tend to value possessions more. They also have the benefit of being able to impact a game away from the midfield. Begley reminds me of a Ziebell/Rockliff type, certainly appears to have a good goal sense, balance and strength.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Begley's an interesting one, well built for his age and obviously needs to do some work to push into the midfield, but I like the forward types who become midfielders. I think they tend to have a greater understanding of how to move the footy into the forward 50 and tend to value possessions more. They also have the benefit of being able to impact a game away from the midfield. Begley reminds me of a Ziebell/Rockliff type, certainly appears to have a good goal sense, balance and strength.

The puff pieces coming out into the media currently does have a habit of elevating players good points, bad points aren't in these pieces

Just remember Begley is still only being discussed from #50 onwards, maybe rookie ......so there are limitations i'd like to know more about

 

[Mismatched]

The puff pieces coming out into the media currently does have a habit of elevating players good points, bad points aren't in these pieces

Just remember Begley is still only being discussed from #50 onwards, maybe rookie ......so there are limitations i'd like to know more about

No doubt it seems at times players later in the draft seem to be better prospects than their higher ranked counterparts. I think it relates to the fact that they're less scrutinised/watched. When draft watchers focus on the footy, they'll follow the prospective 1sr rounders closely, thus their strengths and weaknesses are found out. With lesser players, often it is just a highlight, or for the odd poor sole a low light that is recalled and thus they're less well scrutinised.

What I've found when drafting later picks theirs generally 2 types of picks, those who have runs on the board (ie lower risk) but have lesser potential/ceiling, versus those who are higher risk, with less runs on the board, but have that higher potential. I think Griggs a great example of the former, just as McGoverns a great example of the latter.

Begley for mine is a great example of the latter, spent most of his junior career as a short, but well built key forward. That won't fly as an AFL player, so if you're picking him, you're picking him with the goal to develop him into a midfielder, who can go forward and create havoc.

 

[saintkildaman]

Adelaide have met with GWS Academy member Sam Fisher.

 

[Danger in Texas]

Adelaide have met with GWS Academy member Sam Fisher.

Don't mind this, Fisher is very evasive, has goal sense and has a lovely left boot (but no right boot). Would be a late/rookie bid, but I'd take him for sure.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Adelaide have met with GWS Academy member Sam Fisher.

Interesting

 

[Mismatched]

Interesting

I suspect we would be meeting with 40-50 lads over the past month and next few weeks, some lads twice or three times. We have 6 picks ranging from 13 to 100-odd, plus 2 rookie picks. We need to know this draft well.

 

[ad victoriam]

Interesting question was asked by a friend, after hearing a few complain about getting Hampton for our 2nd round pick.
If Hampton was in this year draft were would he be picked. Yes I know it hard for some to do but you need to remove any Bais either Pro or anti. and do it on pure Football talent. or expected Football talent.
I tried and look at it this way

Advantages
Is he ready to go with 50 games under his belt.
Has an AFL ready body
Capable of playing all 22 plus games in 2017
Already on the list and know the coaches systems.
Capable of Playing 150 to 200 games
Disadvantages
Older by 4-5 years,
Possible better skilled players in the draft.

So it boil down to one question.
Is he better than any player the Crows would have gotten with pick 35.

And yes I know it can only truly be answered in 5-10 years.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

The other question is could we have got him for less and looking at how they've traded out better or similar players for less you'd think perhaps we could

 

[Jack is Back]

The other question is could we have got him for less and looking at how they've traded out better or similar players for less you'd think perhaps we could

We traded out Kerridge and Lyons.

Are they better players? Only time will tell, they are both capable AFL players who can play their role. They are not game breakers.

Similar players? Definitely not. Hampton has exactly what we need, SPEED. He has other deficiencies and he may not become a regular but we can easily replace Kerridge and Lyons with similar players. We have known for years that we lack players with SPEED who can break lines and get the ball in quickly and effectively to our forwards. We picked up Hampton, Seedsman, Milera and Menzel lat year. If only two of these are long term winners we are much closer to a flag.

The last thing I want to see in the draft is more big arsed slowish inside mids. We have enough (one is enough and we have three already). If their 20 metre sprint doesn't have a 2 in front of it then give then a miss.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

We traded out Kerridge and Lyons.

Are they better players? Only time will tell, they are both capable AFL players who can play their role. They are not game breakers.

Similar players? Definitely not. Hampton has exactly what we need, SPEED. He has other deficiencies and he may not become a regular but we can easily replace Kerridge and Lyons with similar players. We have known for years that we lack players with SPEED who can break lines and get the ball in quickly and effectively to our forwards. We picked up Hampton, Seedsman, Milera and Menzel lat year. If only two of these are long term winners we are much closer to a flag.

The last thing I want to see in the draft is more big arsed slowish inside mids. We have enough (one is enough and we have three already). If their 20 metre sprint doesn't have a 2 in front of it then give then a miss.

I mean the players GWS traded out who were better or similar to Hampton for less than we paid

 

[Bicks]

Episode 30 of Cal Twomey's "Road To The Draft" is up with the AFL's Mick Ablett and their Mock Draft.

http://embeds.audioboom.com/publishing/playlist/v4?bg_fill_col=#ecefef&boo_content_type=channel&data_for_content_type=2626234&image_option=small&link_color=#58d1eb&not_configurable=true&player_theme=light&src=https://api.audioboom.com/channels/2626234/audio_clips?include_child_channels=1#Road to the 2016 Draft - Ep. 30: Mock Draft

 

[Jack is Back]

I mean the players GWS traded out who were better or similar to Hampton for less than we paid

GWS Giants have traded out 29 players to other clubs in 5 years. Bloody Bandits!!!!

A few have been quality like Treloar, Adams possibly Boyd (one goat), Tyson and Homsch. Most look like becoming good average AFL players or disappearing from the system. Which of the trades do you see as absolute bargains? Treloar was very expensive and worth every cent IMHO.Which of the dozen or so Carlton "steals" would make our best 22? Were Whiley, Sam Frost, O'Rourke, Jaksch, Giles, Bruce, Darley, Edwards, Aylett, Townsend, Plowman, Sumner, Phillips and Bugg all good buys?

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Interesting question was asked by a friend, after hearing a few complain about getting Hampton for our 2nd round pick.
If Hampton was in this year draft were would he be picked. Yes I know it hard for some to do but you need to remove any Bais either Pro or anti. and do it on pure Football talent. or expected Football talent.
I tried and look at it this way

Advantages
Is he ready to go with 50 games under his belt.
Has an AFL ready body
Capable of playing all 22 plus games in 2017
Already on the list and know the coaches systems.
Capable of Playing 150 to 200 games
Disadvantages
Older by 4-5 years,
Possible better skilled players in the draft.

So it boil down to one question.
Is he better than any player the Crows would have gotten with pick 35.

And yes I know it can only truly be answered in 5-10 years.

honestly don't think that Hampton would get selected in top 50 if he was released into this years open draft

 

[WaynesWorld19]

honestly don't think that Hampton would get selected in top 50 if he was released into this years open draft

That's simply rubbish

 

[Jeffcrowe]

That's simply rubbish

where would he go do you think WW?

I'm actually not sure he would , maybe 40s somewhere at best

 

[WaynesWorld19]

where would he go do you think WW?

I'm actually not sure he would , maybe 40s somewhere at best

You're judging Hampton really on his 2016 injury riddled season ......ask me again end of next season and the answers completely different

I ask you at the start of last season where you rank McGovern & you would probably say 3rd round at best .......after one season, where would you rate him now ?? .....very different

IMO Hampton is 20 - 25 ......but having 50 games of AFL experience already, immediately makes him more valuable than an 18 YO kid with similar talent, but no experience

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

GWS Giants have traded out 29 players to other clubs in 5 years. Bloody Bandits!!!!

A few have been quality like Treloar, Adams possibly Boyd (one goat), Tyson and Homsch. Most look like becoming good average AFL players or disappearing from the system. Which of the trades do you see as absolute bargains? Treloar was very expensive and worth every cent IMHO.Which of the dozen or so Carlton "steals" would make our best 22? Were Whiley, Sam Frost, O'Rourke, Jaksch, Giles, Bruce, Darley, Edwards, Aylett, Townsend, Plowman, Sumner, Phillips and Bugg all good buys?

Hampton should have cost us similar to those guys

 

[Danger in Texas]

Hampton should have cost us similar to those guys

Yep Hampton should have been a 3rd round buy, if at all

You're judging Hampton really on his 2016 injury riddled season ......ask me again end of next season and the answers completely different

I ask you at the start of last season where you rank McGovern & you would probably say 3rd round at best .......after one season, where would you rate him now ?? .....very different

IMO Hampton is 20 - 25 ......but having 50 games of AFL experience already, immediately makes him more valuable than an 18 YO kid with similar talent, but no experience

Hampton hasn't been able to cement his position in an AFL team after five years. This alone worries me. Now I know injuries and GWS' depth would have affected this, but not gaining consistent AFL match experience would have stunted his development anyway

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Yep Hampton should have been a 3rd round buy, if at all

Hampton hasn't been able to cement his position in an AFL team after five years. This alone worries me. Now I know injuries and GWS' depth would have affected this, but not gaining consistent AFL match experience would have stunted his development anyway

Agree .....but like Menzel, Hampton has now had a season of re-programming

 

[Danger in Texas]

Agree .....but like Menzel, Hampton has now had a season of re-programming

What did Hampton have to re-program, though?

 

[WaynesWorld19]

What did Hampton have to re-program, though?

Confident player who probably had some self doubts being at GWS on the player rotation system

 

[Danger in Texas]

Confident player who probably had some self doubts being at GWS on the player rotation system

Not sure the injury would have done Hampton's confidence that much good?

Overall I just don't like his chances, he's behind Rat/Smith/CC/Knight/Menzel/Seed IMO