2016 Draft Rumours

[Chaisa]

Adelaide or port to bid on cumming maybe? Wonder if giants match.

I can't see them matching all three if they get a bid on in the first round. And given Cumming's playing in South Australia this year if it was Adelaide or Port bidding I suspect GWS let him go.

 

[TerryWallet]

I can't see them matching all three if they get a bid on in the first round. And given Cumming's playing in South Australia this year if it was Adelaide or Port bidding I suspect GWS let him go.

They've got a stack of points this year if they keep 15 & 37. But probably will lose picks next year.

I suggest they'll be matching everything this year.

 

[Toadvine]

I can't see them matching all three if they get a bid on in the first round. And given Cumming's playing in South Australia this year if it was Adelaide or Port bidding I suspect GWS let him go.

Yep talk of crows and GWS letting him go....

 

[GHS33]

The Top 6 picks seem settled.

McG, Taranto, McL, Ainsworth, Setterfield, SPS.

Everyone, including Twomey, Anderson and Quayle by their own commendable acknowledgement, has very little idea how the rest falls other than to have a range for players and some ideas of who clubs have put time into.

Chance Lions choose Ainsworth and McCluggage slips to 4?

 

[TheKing101]

Am i the only one that wants the AFL to scratch all academies? Lets just go back to the draft with just picks and no bidding system, no team should have any rights to a player. Thats just not a fair system. Every player should go into the draft equally without knowing where they go. It really is a flawed system that keeps the top teams like Sydney and GWS on top as they have special rights to potential top 5 draft picks every year. It keeps the rebuilding teams trying to pull in a never ending piece of rope trying to catch up to the top teams.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I can't see them matching all three if they get a bid on in the first round. And given Cumming's playing in South Australia this year if it was Adelaide or Port bidding I suspect GWS let him go.

I agree but it depends really depends whether they are prepared to take them all and go into significant deficit or not. I would have thought if all of setterfield perryman cumming and mcraedie get top 30 bids cumming is the one you let go-the first two are the best in the group and they need kpds more than they need a wingman or flanker.

 

[Moist Biscuit]

Am i the only one that wants the AFL to scratch all academies? Lets just go back to the draft with just picks and no bidding system, no team should have any rights to a player. Thats just not a fair system. Every player should go into the draft equally without knowing where they go. It really is a flawed system that keeps the top teams like Sydney and GWS on top as they have special rights to potential top 5 draft picks every year. It keeps the rebuilding teams trying to pull in a never ending piece of rope trying to catch up to the top teams.

It's too late now to scrap it.

 

[cdcanman]

It's too late now to scrap it.

For tomorrow's draft it is, not for the future though.

 

[La Dispute]

Am i the only one that wants the AFL to scratch all academies? Lets just go back to the draft with just picks and no bidding system, no team should have any rights to a player. Thats just not a fair system. Every player should go into the draft equally without knowing where they go. It really is a flawed system that keeps the top teams like Sydney and GWS on top as they have special rights to potential top 5 draft picks every year. It keeps the rebuilding teams trying to pull in a never ending piece of rope trying to catch up to the top teams.

Do Academy clubs still get the 20% discount? That's the one I've never understood. The academies themselves ARE the advantage; being able to procure and develop homegrown talent via an internal program is already a big leg-up.

 

[Bostonian]

Am i the only one that wants the AFL to scratch all academies? Lets just go back to the draft with just picks and no bidding system, no team should have any rights to a player. Thats just not a fair system. Every player should go into the draft equally without knowing where they go. It really is a flawed system that keeps the top teams like Sydney and GWS on top as they have special rights to potential top 5 draft picks every year. It keeps the rebuilding teams trying to pull in a never ending piece of rope trying to catch up to the top teams.

Academies in other states are fine. The only thing that needs to change is who runs them.

They should be run by the AFL, not individual clubs.

 

[Moist Biscuit]

For tomorrow's draft it is, not for the future though.

It is ridiculous to talk about aborting it just before each club has their own academy. For example, we will have our first academy player in 2018, why should we not get that privilege?

 

[Moist Biscuit]

Academies in other states are fine. The only thing that needs to change is who runs them.

They should be run by the AFL, not individual clubs.

Exactly and then scrap the 20% discount. GWS already have a huge leg up, why should they get quality youngsters for less than everyone else has to pay?

 

[Scotty_222]

Am i the only one that wants the AFL to scratch all academies? Lets just go back to the draft with just picks and no bidding system, no team should have any rights to a player. Thats just not a fair system. Every player should go into the draft equally without knowing where they go. It really is a flawed system that keeps the top teams like Sydney and GWS on top as they have special rights to potential top 5 draft picks every year. It keeps the rebuilding teams trying to pull in a never ending piece of rope trying to catch up to the top teams.

Do you think someone like Bowes or Heeney would have been picked up if the academies weren't in place?

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I agree but it depends really depends whether they are prepared to take them all and go into significant deficit or not. I would have thought if all of setterfield perryman cumming and mcraedie get top 30 bids cumming is the one you let go-the first two are the best in the group and they need kpds more than they need a wingman or flanker.

They really should balance what they lose next year , by going into deficit, against the player they can get this year.
The last thing they need is another ordinary midfielder on their list.

 

[Moist Biscuit]

Do you think someone like Bowes or Heeney would have been picked up if the academies weren't in place?

Neither would have, but I think the 20% discount is BS.

 

[Scotty_222]

Neither would have, but I think the 20% discount is BS.

I'm cool with scraping that. Just going back to the other guy that was complaining it should be a fair draft with these guys going into an open pool.
They wouldn't be in the draft if it wasn't for the academies

 

[Moist Biscuit]

I'm cool with scraping that. Just going back to the other guy that was complaining it should be a fair draft with these guys going into an open pool.
They wouldn't be in the draft if it wasn't for the academies

The academy's are working, Heeney, Mills, Hipwood etc prove that. It's just when you see a club like GWS (who don't need any more on field advantages)being fed quality young players and I think that the rest of us get a bit fed up. They were a kick away from a Grand final and they'll pull in 3 of the best 10 or so players from this draft. I'ts not their fault they have built such a strong team but do GWS really still need to bring in 2 or 3 first rounders a year?

 

[spotthedog1]

Am i the only one that wants the AFL to scratch all academies? Lets just go back to the draft with just picks and no bidding system, no team should have any rights to a player. Thats just not a fair system. Every player should go into the draft equally without knowing where they go. It really is a flawed system that keeps the top teams like Sydney and GWS on top as they have special rights to potential top 5 draft picks every year. It keeps the rebuilding teams trying to pull in a never ending piece of rope trying to catch up to the top teams.

No. Every fan from Vic, SA and WA would prefer no academies. Doesn't change the fact that they are actually important to expanding the game in other regions. Most unbiased fans view them as essential in NSW and QLD, even if there are differences of opinion on regions, discounts, etc.

If you want more information, or to discuss further, please look at the following threads, which all exist to discuss the academies. This one is for DRAFT RUMOURS. If you're unsure, just look at the big words at the top of the page.

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/the-academies-2016.1067261/
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/academy-and-father-son-noms.1151064/
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/idea-for-the-academy-system.1144984/
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/academy-rule-changes.1142946/
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/another-academy-thread.1138792/
https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/does-the-academy-selections-encourage-tanking.1130551/

 

[Scotty_222]

The academy's are working, Heeney, Mills, Hipwood etc prove that. It's just when you see a club like GWS (who don't need any more on field advantages)being fed quality young players and I think that the rest of us get a bit fed up. They were a kick away from a Grand final and they'll pull in 3 of the best 10 or so players from this draft. I'ts not their fault they have built such a strong team but do GWS really still need to bring in 2 or 3 first rounders a year?

Well how they got the Riverina area in the first place is a joke because most ppl in those areas are playing footy already.

 

[Kimbo]

Praying Fremantle do not draft English

Then we have conflicting prayers!!

 

[StCicatriz]

can we get this back tot alking about the draft

 

[Thewlis Dish]

Well how they got the Riverina area in the first place is a joke because most ppl in those areas are playing footy already.

This is the bit I find confusing. I completely agree with the premise of academies and what they set out to achieve, but GWS seems to have large areas that are traditionally AFL.

 

[vozzon]

Mate, have you actually been following the draft coverage all year or not? Andersen and Twomey have been putting out their top 30 each month since the beginning of the season.

I'm a big follower of the NBA, so I do know where you are coming from. But Australian sports media just doesn't have the money in it for there to be in depth coverage from multiple outlets like there is in the States. Twomey is the closest thing we have to Chad Ford. And there is next to no coverage of the TAC Cup on FoxFooty or on the AFL website.

Twomey and Andersen both host draft podcasts, and have given us pretty good coverage of the U18's, and even a little on the U17's. They both do a top 25/30 each month with player descriptions and why they rate kids where. They get to what games they can to cover the kids, and watch more tape. But their media outlets don't have the budget to fly them all over the country and pay for hotels. So they have to relay on their club contacts, which is no different to what the U.S. media draft followers do. Twomey even spoke about this in a recent podcast.

Both Anderson and Twomey have spoken about why they rate kids where, and why their final mock drafts, with all their contacts information, will vary greatly from their own personal power rankings.

I wonder how much you actually follow the draft coverage, to make such a post.

Agree with you 100% and to add as well rating players from a younger draft age is so much harder than American sports where they have a few more years in the college system before they make it. to NFL/NBA etc.

 

[Scotty_222]

This is the bit I find confusing. I completely agree with the premise of academies and what they set out to achieve, but GWS seems to have large areas that are traditionally AFL.

Yeah we have the southern coast all the way down to near Newcastle and all the way up to Rockhampton and cairns which is all nrl country.. I think we have produced 5 - 6 since our inception. Riverina is pumping that amount every year

 

[SaintsSeptember]

This is the bit I find confusing. I completely agree with the premise of academies and what they set out to achieve, but GWS seems to have large areas that are traditionally AFL.

Go to Wagga and there are tonnes who follow AFL.
Not so many GWS supporters though
I'm sure the locals see it as AFL/GWS stealing their kids.