2016 Draft Rumours

[Scotty_222]

exactly and the reason you would match pick 1 is the same reason lions are likely to bid three or blues pick 5 etc etc - the kid is that good.

If we had pick 1 and Bowes wasn't our acedemy player I can pretty much guarantee we wouldn't pick him at 1. It's the fact that he is our first acedemy player and we have put so much into him which is the reason why we would match a bid.

 

[LukeHodge15]

THERE was a gentlemen agreement during the Hanley trade. Brisbane bidding on him only helps the southern state teams out.

EFA

Of course there was

 

[LukeHodge15]

Well that would be illegal under afl rules. so you do have some evidence to support your claim - any reporters thinking that gc paid overs for hanley?

Brisbane not bidding on him reduces their own competitiveness in the Brisbane market. would you give the local competitor who you are competing for sponsors and supporters such a free kick.

Its exactly how Viney ended up at Melbourne for a 2nd Rounder. U dont think it happens ur living in fairy land

 

[blueiris]

Everyone thinking Brisbane should bid because Bowes is a Queenslander Brisbane would have a list of players and where they rated them I'm guessing but I would think Bowes isn't in that top 3 hence why they won't bid

 

[Thewlis Dish]

it would be an absolute stretch for bowes to not receive a bid before within the top ten. the majority of phantom drafts predict the lions bidding on him at 3 and GC matching.

There's almost no benefit to Brisbane bidding at 3.

 

[The Facepainter]

Is there even a rumour in the last 3 pages? Or should the title of this thread be renamed to "Meaningless posts about other club's list management"?

Read my post on page 21, I think you will get where I was going

 

[harrisendblue]

Its exactly how Viney ended up at Melbourne for a 2nd Rounder. U dont think it happens ur living in fairy land

u do realise they used a different system in 2012 don't you. so your saying that Melbourne cut deals with all 17 clubs so that port bid their first rounder on him. if you believe that then your the one living in fairy land. poor example to use by way.

Im not saying it hasn't happened however the league now reviews all trades to mitigate against this occurring.

 

[The Facepainter]

Carlscum board.

#SOSoursavior

Well that added value?
Why don't we call it "we are a loser club with 1 flag in 144 years"

Sound better?

 

[harrisendblue]

There's almost no benefit to Brisbane bidding at 3.

it stops the gold coast getting an extra high end player and bowes that's the benefit.

 

[Flandersss]

Well that added value?
Why don't we call it "we are a loser club with 1 flag in 144 years"

Sound better?

LOL

 

[harrisendblue]

Everyone thinking Brisbane should bid because Bowes is a Queenslander Brisbane would have a list of players and where they rated them I'm guessing but I would think Bowes isn't in that top 3 hence why they won't bid

the prime reason they bid for him is his playing ability the fact he is a Queenslander is just cream on top. the majority of phantom drafters including the afl's cal twomey has lions bidding three. so what do you base your opinion on?

 

[Thewlis Dish]

it stops the gold coast getting an extra high end player and bowes that's the benefit.

And when a top academy prospect is available in three years time and Gold Coast have the pick before Brisbane...

I agree they should bid, but the way the current system is set up there isn't any huge incentive to do so, unless they are that concerned about Gold Coast getting an extra top pick.

 

[harrisendblue]

No sh#t Sherlock, but as stated I don't think Carlton think SPS is worse than Bowes.. I think Brisbane are all over Ainsworth. . Etc etc.. but you know there just opinions except if you try to pass them off as fact which they are clearly not..

mate if u follow whats been said im referencing the listed phantom drafts. i haven't seen anything to indicate carlton would take SPS over bowes because its all been about bowes being gone by our first pick.

clearly its opinion however yours are just biased based on the club you support. go over the afl website and have a listen to the mock draft.

 

[Ahern2Boof]

Anyone want two tickets to the draft next week? Just started a full-time job so not sure if I can go now.

 

[harrisendblue]

And when a top academy prospect is available in three years time and Gold Coast have the pick before Brisbane...

they will assess his worth as a player and determine if they want him should the owning club not match the bid.

 

[harrisendblue]

Anyone want two tickets to the draft next week? Just started a full-time job so not sure if I can go now.

very kind offer but no thanks.

 

[Thewlis Dish]

they will assess his worth as a player and determine if they want him should the owning club not match the bid.

Maybe Brisbane rate Ainsworth higher than Bowes.

 

[blueiris]

the prime reason they bid for him is his playing ability the fact he is a Queenslander is just cream on top. the majority of phantom drafters including the afl's cal twomey has lions bidding three. so what do you base your opinion on?

The fact they aren't bidding on him and is rated at 4 on Cals draft ratings and Brisbane wanting Ainsworth

 

[harrisendblue]

Maybe Brisbane rate Ainsworth higher than Bowes.

possibly however they do have multiple small forwards so logically it doesn't make sense - the fact he is a local adds to his desirability to the lions

 

[harrisendblue]

The fact they aren't bidding on him and is rated at 4 on Cals draft ratings and Brisbane wanting Ainsworth

not sure when the ratings were done however the recently released mock draft by cal has lions bidding on bowes and suns matching - go have a listen. he also provides a reason why he would be a good option for you. in either case you will get a gun

 

[blueiris]

not sure when the ratings were done however the recently released mock draft by cal has lions bidding on bowes and suns matching - go have a listen. he also provides a reason why he would be a good option for you. in either case you will get a gun

Of course it has him at 3 because Cal wants us to bid on Bowes to force Suns to pay up bigtime why do you think he has us bidding on him and not GWS or Essendon I would rather have Ainsworth it has nothing to do with him being a Queensland local

 

[Thewlis Dish]

possibly however they do have multiple small forwards so logically it doesn't make sense - the fact he is a local adds to his desirability to the lions

You have a vested interest in this as Brisbane bidding means Carlton has a choice between Taranto and SPS, rather than whoever GC doesn't take. Don't pretend you think Brisbane need to bid for any other reason than that.

 

[Greendogg]

mate if u follow whats been said im referencing the listed phantom drafts. i haven't seen anything to indicate carlton would take SPS over bowes because its all been about bowes being gone by our first pick.

clearly its opinion however yours are just biased based on the club you support. go over the afl website and have a listen to the mock draft.

That's a bit below the belt isn't it.. I'm not biased.. I just don't think Brisbane will pass on Ainsworth who could be a superstar and wants to be there.. I'm not saying Bowes won't be bid on in the top 10 either... I'm just saying it could happen because of all the reasons I've stated.. as for the mock drafts, thanks for your advice but I feel like I have looked at 100 of them and one thing that is evident is that not more than one of them will be right because they are all different. . So I thought I would give my own opinion.. I'm sorry that differs from yours big fella but them's the breaks... now kindly go insult some else..

 

[harrisendblue]

That's a bit below the belt isn't it.. I'm not biased.. I just don't think Brisbane will pass on Ainsworth who could be a superstar and wants to be there.. I'm not saying Bowes won't be bid on in the top 10 either... I'm just saying it could happen because of all the reasons I've stated.. as for the mock drafts, thanks for your advice but I feel like I have looked at 100 of them and one thing that is evident is that not more than one of them will be right because they are all different. . So I thought I would give my own opinion.. I'm sorry that differs from yours big fella but them's the breaks... now kindly go insult some else..

u get insulted because your accused of being biased - please your not a school kid are you.

you do realise that because you guys will match the bid on bowes by the lions then you get him don't you? Lions will get ainsworth so they get their man and they stop their arch rival (you guys) getting an extra top ten kid.

 

[lionshine]

possibly however they do have multiple small forwards so logically it doesn't make sense - the fact he is a local adds to his desirability to the lions

Who are our multiple small forwards? Green is gone. Zorko the only one of real quality but he is a full time midfielder these days. Christensen spends the majority of his time playing through the midfield and off the half forward flank and even spends long periods of time off the half back flank. Taylor plays as a link up player who spends most of his time on the wing and rests forward but he really isn't that good of a small forward, he doesn't apply any defensive pressure. So small forward is actually a need for us, a need that Ainsworth would address for the first couple of years before becoming a full time mid. Ainsworth is a midfielder.

Now before everyone claims draft tampering at the thought of the Lions not bidding on Bowes, how about you sit back and actually analyse the situation in full. I believe most clubs have a policy to not bid on academy players or father son's unless they genuinely rate that player at the pick because otherwise you run the risk of getting stuck with that player. Now the chances of GC not matching are basically zero, however, if the Lions rate McCluggage, McGrath, Ainsworth, Taranto, even guys like Scrimshaw and Brodie higher than Bowes than it becomes hard to justify bidding on him before selecting one of those guys. I have followed the draft very closely this year and I personally rate all of the aforementioned guys above Bowes. Don't get me wrong, Bowes is a nice prospect and arguably the best Queensland prospect to come through the system since Riewoldt and I rate him in the top 10. I personally don't rate him in the top 5 though.

The other thing to consider is the fact that the Lions have been down the bottom end of the ladder for a long time now. One of the clubs major objectives is to sell hope to the supporter base for a number of reasons including to help sell memberships. One of the major selling points is our youth, not only the likes of Schache, Andrews, Hipwood ect. but the youth we are about to add in this years draft. Now I can only imagine the type of vitriol some of the fans will send in the clubs direction if we bid on Bowes which the GC match and then select Ainsworth due to it coming across as getting the inferior talent and our rivals the Suns getting the superior talent. How can the club market Ainsworth as an exciting young talent who is set to help take the club forward when he was our fall back option in the event that we didn't get Bowes?