2016 Draft Rumours

[harrisendblue]

You have a vested interest in this as Brisbane bidding means Carlton has a choice between Taranto and SPS, rather than whoever GC doesn't take. Don't pretend you think Brisbane need to bid for any other reason than that.

for us it doesn't really matter because we get to choose between taranto/sps/brodie or hope that someone like a bowes/setterfield/ainsworth slides down to us. we only get one pick and it will (hopefully) turn into a gun in any scenario so it doesn't really matter for us.

Brisbane im my opinion need to bid so that the suns dont get an advantage over them. the majority of the expert phantom drafters has the lions biding for bowes also.

 

[LukeHodge15]

u do realise they used a different system in 2012 don't you. so your saying that Melbourne cut deals with all 17 clubs so that port bid their first rounder on him. if you believe that then your the one living in fairy land. poor example to use by way.

Im not saying it hasn't happened however the league now reviews all trades to mitigate against this occurring.

Lol

I do very much realise it was a different system.

Go look at the draft that year
Trades involved that year.

And u see if u can work it out???

 

[LukeHodge15]

Anyone want two tickets to the draft next week? Just started a full-time job so not sure if I can go now.

I know a couple of blokes chasing tickets

 

[master bate]

The other thing to consider is the fact that the Lions have been down the bottom end of the ladder for a long time now. One of the clubs major objectives is to sell hope to the supporter base for a number of reasons including to help sell memberships. One of the major selling points is our youth, not only the likes of Schache, Andrews, Hipwood ect. but the youth we are about to add in this years draft. Now I can only imagine the type of vitriol some of the fans will send in the clubs direction if we bid on Bowes which the GC match and then select Ainsworth due to it coming across as getting the inferior talent and our rivals the Suns getting the superior talent. How can the club market Ainsworth as an exciting young talent who is set to help take the club forward when he was our fall back option in the event that we didn't get Bowes?

Most fans who care enough to know a players draft position will also understand the academy bidding process.

Regardless of who was or wasn't bid on if the Lions draft Ainsworth and he plays well then he'll be a marketable players. Especially if he combines with Schache and the team improves.

Your first argument is the one that matters. If the Lions don't rate Bowes as high as the others then don't bid on him.

 

[lionshine]

for us it doesn't really matter because we get to choose between taranto/sps/brodie or hope that someone like a bowes/setterfield/ainsworth slides down to us. we only get one pick and it will (hopefully) turn into a gun in any scenario so it doesn't really matter for us.

Brisbane im my opinion need to bid so that the suns dont get an advantage over them. the majority of the expert phantom drafters has the lions biding for bowes also.

How does bidding on Bowes prevent the Suns from getting an advantage over us? Our next pick isn't until pick 16 so as long as one of the other clubs inside the top 10 e.g. Blues, Dockers or Swans bid on him it has zero effect on us whatsoever. I have zero doubt one of the Dockers or Swans would bid on him.

 

[Greendogg]

u get insulted because your accused of being biased - please your not a school kid are you.

you do realise that because you guys will match the bid on bowes by the lions then you get him don't you? Lions will get ainsworth so they get their man and they stop their arch rival (you guys) getting an extra top ten kid.

No no not a school kid, but I don't know why you're dissin school kids...
I'm well aware we will get Bowes, I'm just trying to say that I don't think Bris bid on Bowes.. is that so hard for you to understand.. my opinion differs from your own.. do you get that pin head!
Also Bris don't stop us getting an extra top 10 kid.. you should read the rules big fella... such a campaigner#

 

[lionshine]

Most fans who care enough to know a players draft position will also understand the academy bidding process.

Regardless of who was or wasn't bid on if the Lions draft Ainsworth and he plays well then he'll be a marketable players. Especially if he combines with Schache and the team improves.

Your first argument is the one that matters. If the Lions don't rate Bowes as high as the others then don't bid on him.

Yeah that is the main one, however, a large portion of our fan base living in a rugby dominated region are quite uneducated and ignorant about the majority of the off field aspects of AFL so all they will think when they see we bid on Bowes and the Suns matched is that we didn't get the player we wanted we had to settle for an inferior prospect and our rivals down the highway got the player we wanted. As a club that is desperately trying to sell hope to fans to ensure membership figures don't drop substantially that isn't necessarily a risk we can take particularly if we don't rate Bowes as high as several of the other top prospects.

The Lions fans here on BigFooty obviously understand how the bidding system works and understand the concept of keeping the Suns honest and could see reason in the fact that either way we end up with Ainsworth, but we are all the die hard fans who follows every aspect of the game closely. The broader Lions community e.g. those who post on Facebook(They are truly terrible) wouldn't understand at all and wouldn't even bother trying to understand.

 

[Thewlis Dish]

for us it doesn't really matter because we get to choose between taranto/sps/brodie or hope that someone like a bowes/setterfield/ainsworth slides down to us. we only get one pick and it will (hopefully) turn into a gun in any scenario so it doesn't really matter for us.

Brisbane im my opinion need to bid so that the suns dont get an advantage over them. the majority of the expert phantom drafters has the lions biding for bowes also.

Of course it matters for you - Brisbane bidding on Bowes makes at least one more prospect available, which might be the player your recruiters have ranked above others. It is amusing you are calling others out for being biased but pretending you're not considering Carlton's position.

Most phantom drafters are just assuming Brisbane will bid on Bowes for the same lazy reasons that everyone else is.

 

[carnthedons]

No no not a school kid, but I don't know why you're dissin school kids...
I'm well aware we will get Bowes, I'm just trying to say that I don't think Bris bid on Bowes.. is that so hard for you to understand.. my opinion differs from your own.. do you get that pin head!
Also Bris don't stop us getting an extra top 10 kid.. you should read the rules big fella... such a campaigner#

How?

If Brisbane bid, it costs you pick 4. If they don't (and subsequently nobody from Carlton, Freo or Sydney does), you'll get 4,6,8 & 10 and then Bowes will cost you points after that.

 

[Greendogg]

How?

If Brisbane bid, it costs you pick 4. If they don't (and subsequently nobody from Carlton, Freo or Sydney does), you'll get 4,6,8 & 10 and then Bowes will cost you points after that.

Because it takes three other clubs to not bid on him and also a choice from Gold Coast to not take him at 10 and therefore preserving next year's first rounder..

 

[blueiris]

I think the suns would be hopeful of a club in the top 10 bid on Bowes because if team doesn't they lose points off their first round pick next season they may even use their own top 10 pick because of this

 

[LukeHodge15]

I think the suns would be hopeful of a club in the top 10 bid on Bowes because if team doesn't they lose points off their first round pick next season they may even use their own top 10 pick because of this

Nah they have shit loads of future picks already in 17

No chance they use 10 on him

 

[harrisendblue]

Lol

I do very much realise it was a different system.

Go look at the draft that year
Trades involved that year.

And u see if u can work it out???

well i did and you'd have to say the dees ended up on top as they picked up jesse hogan. nothing wrong with that trade at all.

 

[carnthedons]

Because it takes three other clubs to not bid on him and also a choice from Gold Coast to not take him at 10 and therefore preserving next year's first rounder..

Fair enough, I didn't realise you'd gotten rid of all the 2nd rounders you had.

I don't see the disadvantage in picking another top 10 kid this year though, especially meaning you'll get him for an extra year. Even if North bid at 11, it's only 1063 points to match which would drop pick 1 to 4. Admittedly it would drop pick 4 to 17ish and GC would be backing themselves to go up the ladder in a hurry but surely you take the certainty now than wait 12 months?

 

[LukeHodge15]

well i did and you'd have to say the dees ended up on top as they picked up jesse hogan. nothing wrong with that trade at all.

Okay u couldn't work out the link.
No dramas. Carry On.

 

[Scotty_222]

Nah they have shit loads of future picks already in 17

No chance they use 10 on him

We will use 10. We have no extra list spots

 

[Young_Guns]

I think the suns would be hopeful of a club in the top 10 bid on Bowes because if team doesn't they lose points off their first round pick next season they may even use their own top 10 pick because of this

I kinda agree about hoping a top10 pick comes for Bowes, but only because a bid outside the first 10 means that we won't have a list spot for Scheer, and after following him closely for the past 2 years, I don't want to miss out on him. The points bit I don't care about so much though. But in saying that, not getting Scheer means we would have had an extra top 10 pick so its not the end of the world I guess. Ideal scenario for me is Sydney bid at pick 9 meaning we get 3 picks before him, and more importantly, it stops us from taking English at pick10 assuming we haven't picked him earlier.

 

[Greendogg]

Fair enough, I didn't realise you'd gotten rid of all the 2nd rounders you had.

I don't see the disadvantage in picking another top 10 kid this year though, especially meaning you'll get him for an extra year. Even if North bid at 11, it's only 1063 points to match which would drop pick 1 to 4. Admittedly it would drop pick 4 to 17ish and GC would be backing themselves to go up the ladder in a hurry but surely you take the certainty now than wait 12 months?

Yeah id take it this year too but I dont know much about next year's draft.

 

[LukeHodge15]

We will use 10. We have no extra list spots

The day is still young
Can still delist players

No way u use 10

 

[harrisendblue]

Of course it matters for you - Brisbane bidding on Bowes makes at least one more prospect available, which might be the player your recruiters have ranked above others. It is amusing you are calling others out for being biased but pretending you're not considering Carlton's position.

Most phantom drafters are just assuming Brisbane will bid on Bowes for the same lazy reasons that everyone else is.

in correct our midfield needs are such that we can uses anyone of the three main targets (brodie, SPS, taranto) we have been linked to. suns have the clear bias because they get an extra gun player. that's clearly worth more than us possibly not getting our preference.

The expert phantom drafters have access to info we dont so i give them more credability than the opinion of a general BF poster.

 

[harrisendblue]

Okay u couldn't work out the link.
No dramas. Carry On.

well why dont u inform us hodgy

 

[bungalow_bill]

We won't bid on Bowes unless we rate him higher than Ainsworth and don't think we do

Also could come back to bite us in the future. Best to play nice.

 

[harrisendblue]

The day is still young
Can still delist players

No way u use 10

agree with hodgy on this.

it would cost suns at least 1054 points after using pick 73. whilst they have more picks (98,116,134) im not sure if they assign a pints value to them if matching a bid.

getting 4 top tens and bowes is way preferable to a 1054 point downgrade next year. it would mean 5 of the top 11 this year.

 

[harrisendblue]

I kinda agree about hoping a top10 pick comes for Bowes, but only because a bid outside the first 10 means that we won't have a list spot for Scheer, and after following him closely for the past 2 years, I don't want to miss out on him. The points bit I don't care about so much though. But in saying that, not getting Scheer means we would have had an extra top 10 pick so its not the end of the world I guess. Ideal scenario for me is Sydney bid at pick 9 meaning we get 3 picks before him, and more importantly, it stops us from taking English at pick10 assuming we haven't picked him earlier.

if scheer is that good u will get him and create a list spot. it will just cost you more points from next year allocation however that's been mitigated by picking an extra two first rounders.

if it panned out that clubs in top 10 didnt bid on bowes then it would be absolutely huge for suns. I just dont think it will happen though, lions or blues will bid on him.

 

[Thewlis Dish]

in correct our midfield needs are such that we can uses anyone of the three main targets (brodie, SPS, taranto) we have been linked to.

And if you rate one above the other two, then Brisbane bidding on Bowes guarantees that you'll get that one.