2016 Draft Rumours

[briztoon]

i had a listen and yes it confirms the rumour however anderson really couldn't understand the logic of why the lions would not bid on him. he was basically supporting everything i and others who share my view have been saying.

Ive quoted you cal twomeys mock draft pod cast from a couple of days ago which clearly summarises why lions should bid on bowes.

i guess time will tell whose expert is correct.

Because Anderson rates Bowes as the second best kid in the draft. Brisbane may not. Essendon and GWS clearly do not. Cal Twomey has been saying for a while now that it's pretty clear McCluggage and McGrath have separated themselves as the clear top two prospects. Then your left the next group of four who really did not play that well in the U18 Championships.

Bowes was largely anonymous for the Allies.

Brodie carried a knock through the championships and was possibly a little burnt out after being the star performer early in the season in the AFL academy games.

SPS had hammy problems all year.

And Ainsworth missed time due injury and suspension.



And both you and Anderson clearly wear your Victorian glasses. It's been mentioned so many times, but you fail to give it any credence, the QLD clubs possibly have a different view towards bidding on each other academy prospects. Both sets of supporters clearly think the same.

 

[adammania9]

Yeah battle, Adam now study for your exam

Reported.

 

[ScrewInStuds]

How do you turn a profitable club with an exciting young list which has a real chance at elevating themselves into premiership contenders back to a middle table club?

Give Mark Riccioutio the keys

Those in malt houses shouldn't throw stones

 

[harrisendblue]

The first part in bold I believe to be incorrect, but happy to proved wrong. Residual points left over from matching a bid in the first round do not become a later pick. But they can be used towards matching the next bid. Residual points left over from matching a bid in the second round do become a later pick. We had this very discussion on the Lions page a couple of weeks a go.

The second line in bold. Gees I wish it was that easy. There are so many variables that go towards a team becoming a championship team. If it was simply about loading up on top end talent, the blue print would be much easier to follow.

Last I looked, there were 17 other clubs in the competition, no point for the Lions to focus on GC. From a personal stand point, being a QLD'er, I'd much rather see GC be successful than any Victorian team.

Seeing as our second pick isn't until pick 16, every club with a draft pick between our pick 3 and pick 16 has the ability to get stronger by adding a good kid.

Look at the end of the day, you're obviously not going to change your mind. So it's a pointless discussion. The only two clubs that it really concerns are the Lions and GC, it's a moot point for any other club, or their fans, to get involved in the conversation. Both sets of supporters don't see any point for the Lions to bid on Bowes. We're (the Lions) are happy, GC is happy and it's all sunny in QLD.

agree re your first point however the key element is that you retain the points to counter any deficit either this year or next.

its not necessarily about bowes being a suns kid my logic would be the same regardless of team. the difference here is that bowes being a qld'er would make him far more valuable as there should be no go home factor. you blokes of all the clubs should be sick of the go home factor.

 

[harrisendblue]

What argument?

Greendogg asked a question and I answered. There was no argument.

Like I said, Cal mentioned it in a few of his early Road to the Draft podcasts. If you've followed the series through out the season, that's one discussion that should have stuck in your mind. As for actual episodes, I don't remember off hand, and can't be arsed to go back and listen to the whole series. I would hazard a guess that episode 5 where Brenton Sanderson is a guest, it will have been discussed.

Cal has spent time with both the level one and level two AFL academy squads. As he does every year. I would guess that Cal has a fair idea how next years draft class is shaping up compared to this years.

It very much came across as Cal pushing the whole supper draft theme. Cal has said all year that the top end of the of 2017 draft class has a good mix of top KPP talent and elite midfielders, but over all it lacks the depth of this years draft. A further point made by Cal is that the top end of this years draft class lacks the elite talent of the last couple of drafts and next years draft.

my point is that early calls are just that. his assessment would have been made before the conclusion of this years games and therefore subject to change.

I value cal's opinion for the very reason you mention which is why ive quoted him as my evidence on why the lions should bid on bowes. cal made this call on bowes recently (2-3 days ago) in his recently released mock draft.

 

[harrisendblue]

Because Anderson rates Bowes as the second best kid in the draft. Brisbane may not. Essendon and GWS clearly do not. Cal Twomey has been saying for a while now that it's pretty clear McCluggage and McGrath have separated themselves as the clear top two prospects. Then your left the next group of four who really did not play that well in the U18 Championships.

Bowes was largely anonymous for the Allies.

Brodie carried a knock through the championships and was possibly a little burnt out after being the star performer early in the season in the AFL academy games.

SPS had hammy problems all year.

And Ainsworth missed time due injury and suspension.



And both you and Anderson clearly wear your Victorian glasses. It's been mentioned so many times, but you fail to give it any credence, the QLD clubs possibly have a different view towards bidding on each other academy prospects. Both sets of supporters clearly think the same.

Anderson might be a Vic however i rate his opinion 100% greater than a BF poster except from maybe a knightmare. Anderson has an extensive list of contacts at all clubs so i rate what he says just like cal twomey and emma quayle.

not meaning to upset however just because there are multiple lions/suns posters singing from the same hymn book means nothing unless we know who they really are - maybe your scotty clayton?

 

[harrisendblue]

I don't know if anyone can confirm, but does anyone have a list of who is rumoured to have been invited to draft night? Some reckon Battle and Gallucci are among 15 or so. If so, tat's big.

I have heard on SEN that gallucci has been invited.

 

[Thewlis Dish]

I'm confused now - is this about whether Brisbane should bid on Bowes or whether they will? Because if it's the latter they are clearly not going to so it's a bit of a moot point.

 

[reload141]

McGrath was at Essendon training base this morning.

Callum Twomey

✔@CalTwomey
@BomberblitzCom yep, he had a meeting there today as he is going away for a week before the draft.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Any club who would not be upset at winning an academy player should bid on that player at their pick.
Keep them as honest as possible.

 

[harrisendblue]

it would be very surprising if bombers didn't interview mcgrath.

I'm confused now - is this about whether Brisbane should bid on Bowes or whether they will? Because if it's the latter they are clearly not going to so it's a bit of a moot point.

an element of both.

 

[Kimbo]

My dog could draft just as good as SOS with the picks he had.

so what type of breed is it? mongrel perhaps or maybe a bitch?

"Drover's dog" I would have thought.

 

[DaveLister]

Just saw Tim English leave the Freo building after a meeting. Looks like we are considering him very closely

not that it's surprising

 

[Kimbo]

Mods, can we report anyone who responds to harrisendblue, thx.

On another note, what I'm taking from all this is that clubs are getting a lot better at containing drafting strategies and preferred draft choices. Not a rumour in sight.

 

[harrisendblue]

Mods, can we report anyone who responds to harrisendblue, thx.

On another note, what I'm taking from all this is that clubs are getting a lot better at containing drafting strategies and preferred draft choices. Not a rumour in sight.

don't worry many do when they start losing a debate.

 

[harrisendblue]

Any club who would not be upset at winning an academy player should bid on that player at their pick.
Keep them as honest as possible.

exactly. ensures they dont get an additional bonus player.

 

[Heaps of fun]

Mods, can we report anyone who responds to harrisendblue, thx.

On another note, what I'm taking from all this is that clubs are getting a lot better at containing drafting strategies and preferred draft choices. Not a rumour in sight.

You poked the bear, K. First threadban goes to you!

 

[mpal6]

its unlikely mccluggae will be available however if that is the case who do the dons pick up? do they bid on bowes?

they could rate ainsworth higher that's possible. but like ive mentioned before they have good stocks of small forwrd types so again logically you would want a different type of midfielder to bring to ensure list balance.

i discount that completely because the lions hate the suns - they dont want them in the market.

We just traded Hanley to them i.e your statement there is baseless.

For us, there is nothing to gain by bidding on Bowes and thumbing our nose at Suns. we'd rather retain a good trade relationship. I know this doesn't suite your agenda that Suns use their pick 4 on Bowes leaving your pick 5 with all available players rather than one less, but Brisbane are not going to gain anything by doing that.

 

[Kimbo]

You poked the bear, K. First threadban goes to you!

 

[harrisendblue]

We just traded Hanley to them i.e your statement there is baseless.

For us, there is nothing to gain by bidding on Bowes and thumbing our nose at Suns. we'd rather retain a good trade relationship. I know this doesn't suite your agenda that Suns use their pick 4 on Bowes leaving your pick 5 with all available players rather than one less, but Brisbane are not going to gain anything by doing that.

the fact lions traded hanley to them does not disprove my statement. Now leigh matthews is still on the Lions Board as a Vice President isnt he. But hey why not help the suns become the top dog in the market at least you guys will be pals.

[URL='http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-10/leigh-matthews-calls-for-one-afl-team-in-queensland/7399738#']AFL great Leigh Matthews says Queensland should only have one team in the league

AFL great Leigh Matthews believes there is no point persisting with two teams in Queensland.

Matthews coached Brisbane to three consecutive premierships and is currently the deputy chairman at the Lions.

He was sceptical when Gold Coast joined the league in 2011 and reiterated his view on Monday night that there is not enough demand to warrant two sides in southeast Queensland.

The Suns might win premierships, that's not the issue. I don't think there is a demand for two teams in this part of the world.

AFL great Leigh Matthews


"I thought that from the very beginning," Matthews told the Seven Network.

"Nothing will change that. The Suns might win premierships, that's not the issue.

"I don't think there is a demand for two teams in this part of the world."

The Suns and Lions have struggled in recent years, both on and off the field.

Recent crowds have been modest at the Gabba and Carrara.

The Suns have crashed after a bright start to the season, while fellow expansion side Greater Western Sydney is on track to achieve their maiden finals berth.

The Lions have enjoyed one win this year, over Gold Coast.

Matthews doubted whether the league would seriously look at changing the status quo.

"The people who made that decision are still running the AFL," he said.

"While those people are running the AFL, I don't think anytime soon will there not be two teams in southeast Queensland."

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[ParapMarkets]

Because Anderson rates Bowes as the second best kid in the draft. Brisbane may not. Essendon and GWS clearly do not. Cal Twomey has been saying for a while now that it's pretty clear McCluggage and McGrath have separated themselves as the clear top two prospects. Then your left the next group of four who really did not play that well in the U18 Championships.

Bowes was largely anonymous for the Allies.

Brodie carried a knock through the championships and was possibly a little burnt out after being the star performer early in the season in the AFL academy games.

SPS had hammy problems all year.

And Ainsworth missed time due injury and suspension.



And both you and Anderson clearly wear your Victorian glasses. It's been mentioned so many times, but you fail to give it any credence, the QLD clubs possibly have a different view towards bidding on each other academy prospects. Both sets of supporters clearly think the same.

If this was a free and open draft, there is no way Brisbane wouldn't select the Queenslander that virtually everyone has in the top 5 or 6. Bowes to Brisbane would be given as a certainty given his body of work. It is in Brisbane's best interest to bid on Bowes to keep the legitimacy of the academy system in place, because if they don't bid on him there are only 2 real conclusions that can be drawn:

1. They don't have a preference to Queensland talent where possible and therefor don't need an academy
2. They are colluding with GC in a mutual back scratching scenario (cheating)

Now they can get away with not bidding for him by saying that, unlike everybody else, they don't rate this particular Queensland kid. But nobody is really going to buy that, I don't see other clubs continually sitting back and allowing that to happen unquestioned. Further scrutiny and restrictions to the academy system is likely if the system is going to be abused by obvious collusion (any Lions fan I have read posts from is actively hoping they collude with GC).

The academy system is great I think (except GWS's ridiculous zone), it is introducing more talent to the talent pool and is providing equalisation to the northern sides who have retention issues with the majority of their list being from interstate. Serious questions will be asked of Brisbane if they don't bid on Bowes.

 

[briztoon]

agree re your first point however the key element is that you retain the points to counter any deficit either this year or next.

its not necessarily about bowes being a suns kid my logic would be the same regardless of team. the difference here is that bowes being a qld'er would make him far more valuable as there should be no go home factor. you blokes of all the clubs should be sick of the go home factor.

I'm honestly not sure about being able to carry residual points over to the next draft. To me, that doesn't sound right.

 

[Miltz]

absolutly miltz lets all hope for that. that would genuinely be of benefit to all clubs.

They stripped Essendon for a drug scandal....why not GWS? Lol

 

[Miltz]

Any club who would not be upset at winning an academy player should bid on that player at their pick.
Keep them as honest as possible.

Absolutely. They also get "20%" discount.

 

[Frank Gallagher]

Mods, can we report anyone who responds to harrisendblue, thx.

On another note, what I'm taking from all this is that clubs are getting a lot better at containing drafting strategies and preferred draft choices. Not a rumour in sight.

Need an option to like a post a million times.