List Mgmt. 2016 Draft, Trades and Retirements Thread

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Mate I am with you here but as far as Mitchell going to our rival I would not be to worried about Hawthorn being a thorn in our side going forward into the next couple of seasons, even though Mitchell has gone there and we are not improving the list this year through trade the current list with a refresh and rethink of the game plan can see us right there again. It is frustrating but all things aligning next year injuries and the like and further improvement & maturity from the young blokes you can have your young pups and midgets out west but I'm confident we can salute. That is my take on it now the disappointment of a couple of weeks ago starts to lessen and the ranting is gone and being rational about the strength of our list comes into it. Having said that its great to make GF's as often as we have in the last 11 years but don't think I could take losing another one !!!! :eek:
I am with you on this. Hawthorn is making some really strange decisions. Ty Vickery is a stop gap for Ceglar ....and he is costing $500k annually. Gods. Tyrannosaurus Rex could have had currency after all. The Sam Mitchell deal I see as a really strange move. The family Club??? Their ruthlessness is on plain show. Their fans will be really divided about this. And ultimately the fans will become increasingly hard nosed about the reality of the game. Could we have done this to Goodesie? If he had wanted it? Maybe? Sam may welcome it as it gives him a pathway after playing. Hawthorn will get salary cap relief and will be able to blood some newbies. Are they in a position to threaten ....no they are not. The warriors they do age....yet they are still their teams best players. Their kids are not like our kids. We shall come to enjoy playing Hawthorn over the next couple of years.
 

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I dunno, at least Horse waited until ROK was no longer best 22 before pulling the trigger.
ROK played out his career in the twos and could we perhaps be seeing the fruit of having such a great role model playing and training alongside our young kids? How good for development purposes would Sam Mitchell have been, playing for the Box Hill Hawks in a couple of years time? Just not gonna happen....but I bet ROK was a factor in our kids development.
 
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ROK played out his career in the twos and could we perhaps be seeing the fruit of having such a great role model playing and training alongside our young kids? How good for development purposes would Sam Mitchell have been, playing for the Box Hill Hawks in a couple of years time? Just not gonna happen....but I bet ROK was a factor in our kids development.
Sam Mitchell has never had pace though (In fact he is down right slow) so I can't see him falling off a cliff. He is their reigning B&F winner so next season he would have rotated through the midfield.
 

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Sam Mitchell has never had pace though (In fact he is down right slow) so I can't see him falling off a cliff. He is their reigning B&F winner so next season he would have rotated through the midfield.
Plus he will never lose the ability to be elite off both feet. Every club would love to have him in their side.
 

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I'm not necessarily after anyone in particular, because i know nothing about the draftees.

But if I remember swansfan51 's draft analysis, if you want a key forward, they go early.
If you don't draft key forwards, the only way to get them is to pay overs later (Tippett, Buddy, Boyd etc, etc, etc).

If that's what we're after the two highest rated, Marshall and English, are likely to be gone by pick 14. We seem to have an abundance of mids (we can argue about quality, but i'd say we've got more quality than most teams). If we want someone like Marshall or English, we'll need to trade up.

Harley seemed keen to let clubs know we're keen to improve our position. Maybe we have a target in mind already, but given we just got Heeney and Mills, two quality mids in successive drafts, i wouldn't be surprised to see us going after a tall.
Yes...... and I agree with your analysis. KPD or KPF should be highest on our wish list for the reasons that you have given. My issue is that if you target them, it is possible that they will be gone before pick six or seven and your strategy has just yielded you zippo. You would need to have nerves of steel to guess the draft order so accurately that your target was available at your selection. That is why you need to target a player and then look at the clubs ahead of you and assess their needs. And that's what Tom Harley is probably doing right now. Pacy outside midfielders with great delivery - not quite as rare as KPF or KPD, so second round picks should do it for us.
 

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Sam Mitchell has never had pace though (In fact he is down right slow) so I can't see him falling off a cliff. He is their reigning B&F winner so next season he would have rotated through the midfield.
Reckon the only problem for Mitchell is that he has always been suspect of a hard tag. Geelong's red head had Sam's measure and that largely accounted for the edge Geelong had over Hawthorn for so long. We shall see what happens to Mitchell. Agree that his decision making is flawless and his delivery uber elite. Desire and hunger may now come into play. He has scaled many heights. I just wonder whether a new team adds years to his career or is simply a year to ride out before coaching begins?
 

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Going backwards seeing that we only got pick 14 for Mitchell. Unless we end up with pick 23 too we've been rogered big time.
Uncontracted player chooses club we either deal or hold out or go bust in the PSD. Pick 14 could have gone to the Suns and pick 23 would have been all we got.
Holding out for a better trade is like catching a falling knife.
 

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Tom Harley has confirmed:

- The club has offered Reid a contract extension post 2017.

- Hosed down rumors about Tippo being traded.

- Confirmed contract offers have been made to both Nank & Towers and neither have taken them up yet and assessing their options (i.e. testing the waters).

- Initial negotiations have begun on getting Heeneys signature too!
 
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Why on earth have we offered Reid an extension without seeing him at least come back first
If we lose Nank, which it looks like we probably will, Reids ability to pinch hit in the ruck would be valuable depth. Not just this but he's looking like he's FINALLY put some bulk on. That will help big time in allowing him to shift opponents etc which has been one of his biggest weaknesses in the past IMO.

I have faith Reid will come back in 2017 and surprise a few of us. He's at the right age for KPP, he looks like he's getting to just about the right size, he's had a year to refresh and hopefully he can put in a great pre-season.
 
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id be very keen to see the details of reids contract extension
Reid hasn't accepted yet as far as I'm aware however I agree, it'd be very interesting to see how much movement he would get. I'd hope the club & he would factor in his constant injury troubles, inability to get consistent games etc etc into whatever figure(s) they are floating around.
 

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If we lose Nank, which it looks like we probably will, Reids ability to pinch hit in the ruck would be valuable depth. Not just this but he's looking like he's FINALLY put some bulk on. That will help big time in allowing him to shift opponents etc which has been one of his biggest weaknesses in the past IMO.

I have faith Reid will come back in 2017 and surprise a few of us. He's at the right age for KPP, he looks like he's getting to just about the right size, he's had a year to refresh and hopefully he can put in a great pre-season.
He is to injury prone to find any sort of consistency and i don't see that changing as he gets older infact probably get only worse, he missed a whole season because of a hamstring injury.
 

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If we lose Nank, which it looks like we probably will, Reids ability to pinch hit in the ruck would be valuable depth. Not just this but he's looking like he's FINALLY put some bulk on. That will help big time in allowing him to shift opponents etc which has been one of his biggest weaknesses in the past IMO.

I have faith Reid will come back in 2017 and surprise a few of us. He's at the right age for KPP, he looks like he's getting to just about the right size, he's had a year to refresh and hopefully he can put in a great pre-season.
I have faith in him coming back but at the same time I want to see him playing for a few months first. What happens if he gets injured again. There is a lot of "ifs" with Reid.

For the record I agree with you that he will come back well, I'd just like to see it first before I'd be re-signing him that's all.
 
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He is to injury prone to find any sort of consistency and i don't see that changing as he gets older infact probably get only worse, he missed a whole season because of a hamstring injury.
Yeah, it could go either way couldn't it? He could continue his current run of injuries or he could get his body in the right shape to help minimize injuries and we might get some value out of him.

There would be a reason we've gone early on the contract extension. I reckon it's to get it in before he plays again next year as I think he's going to outperform most peoples expectations (thus driving his value up) & we want to get in before that happens.

Not for a second do I give up on the fact he has the potential to be a real gun, he has all the attributes. The issue has always been his body letting him down. The last vision I saw of him just before the GF he looked in the best shape I've ever seen him. He looked bigger and stronger. Hopefully, instead of just rushing him back, they've spent some time and given him the time off to build a body that doesn't break down as much. If they have done that then I hope we are rewarded for spending the time to do so.
 

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If we lose Nank, which it looks like we probably will, Reids ability to pinch hit in the ruck would be valuable depth. Not just this but he's looking like he's FINALLY put some bulk on. That will help big time in allowing him to shift opponents etc which has been one of his biggest weaknesses in the past IMO.

I have faith Reid will come back in 2017 and surprise a few of us. He's at the right age for KPP, he looks like he's getting to just about the right size, he's had a year to refresh and hopefully he can put in a great pre-season.
Year after year i hear the same crap
Reid to suprise us all

Bulk lol
 
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Year after year i hear the same crap
Reid to suprise us all

Bulk lol
It isn't crap punter.. I agree we hear this constantly but just look at his age, his experience, all the factors which suggest he's now getting to that crucial point in his career where he either shines or is a bust.

KPP tend to take a while to develop in any event and he's at a good age now & been in the system a while. He's had to go from carrying our fwd line to helping out our defenders to being a makeshift ruckman at times... IMO, even given this constant re-branding & need to re-focus he's still showed enough to suggest the talent/skill level is there. The potential is there. You know it. The biggest problem has always been his durability. IMO, it looks like he's worked hard this time around to get himself physically prepared before coming back.

I just find it interesting the club has openly & enthusiastically invested in him. It's the club that sees him train, knows his body & his outlook/potential for further injury. They wouldn't have made the call so enthusiastically had they not seen something to tell them a payday was on it's way.
 
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