Hot Topic 2016 DRAFT

[HARKER]

Let's assume from that:

1. Essendon - McLuggage
2. G.W. Syd - McGrath
3. Brisbane - Ainsworth
4. Gold Coast - Scrimshaw - Just have a feeling if Bowes isn't bid upon, although Taranto fits here also.

5. US: Brodie/Taranto/SPS or anyone else we love.

 

[bad setanta]

I'd be very disappointed should our club start playing this game with other clubs.
I find it completely devoid of integrity.

Deal hard if you want to but to be effectively be putting a gun to anothers' head will come back and bite you eventually.....as it should.

Agree, however I wish someone would have put a gun to Hughes and Rodgers before they took Bootsma.

 

[Zlatan]

Besides Brodie (assume around #5), who are the realistic midfielders we can take at #13 (if the Gibbs deal gets done) and #25 that can come into this team in round 1?

 

[HARKER]

Agree, however I wish someone would have put a gun to Hughes and Rodgers before they took Bootsma.

I've said this before and I'll say it again.....
I understood the appeal of Bootsma, given what he could have produced.
Unfortunately we didn't take as much notice to character profiling back then.

I know we can laugh at selection and many will continue to do so as it was wrong for the above reason but have a good luck at that draft year.
There really wasn't a lot of quality around that mark. Have a look and you may agree.

 

[HARKER]

Besides Brodie (assume around #5), who are the realistic midfielders we can take at #13 (if the Gibbs deal gets done) and #25 that can come into this team in round 1?

Florent....Not really a mid as such but would love him.
Drew, Clarke, Gallucci, Powell-Pepper....

 

[ferrisb]

Let's assume from that:

1. Essendon - McLuggage
2. G.W. Syd - McGrath
3. Brisbane - Ainsworth
4. Gold Coast - Scrimshaw - Just have a feeling if Bowes isn't bid upon, although Taranto fits here also.

5. US: Brodie/Taranto/SPS or anyone else we love.

Ok, we're pretty comfortable that we will have a choice of brodie/tatanto/SPS at #5.

But what we also need to know is who might be available at #8, #9, #13, #15, #25, #31, Adelaide's first 2017 pick, GWS's second 2017 pick and the doggies' third 2017 pick...

That should cover off at least 10% of the scenarios SOS may deliver us next week.... Maybe.

 

[BobP]

Pepper is someone I'd have my eyes on.

According to Twomey's latest write up, his kicking has a question mark over it but he got a perfect score for goal kicking in the combine.

Might suggest that it's more an issue of composure.

Venables also looks like an enticing prospect, potential to be both an inside and outside midfielder. Some definite question marks, but there's definitely something to work with there.

William Drew is another one I find an interesting prospect.

Plenty of midfield talent in this draft, all with differing question marks, the type of draft where recruiters earn their keep.

We could potentially revitalize our midfield unit if we get it right in this draft.

 

[Jimmae]

Ainsworth appears to not have "it" that will make him a successful AFL player. Read somewhere that in his interviews at the camp when asked if he'd move into the midfield at AFL level he was none too keen on the idea, seemed really dismissal of it.

Those were press interviews, and that was the he saw himself able to impact immediately off HF.

Pepper is someone I'd have my eyes on.

According to Twomey's latest write up, his kicking has a question mark over it but he got a perfect score for goal kicking in the combine.

Might suggest that he floats them a little more than you'd like in modern AFL. He's a good long kick but his short/medium needs work.

The kicking test is rudimentary and has them hitting static targets.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Those were press interviews, and that was the he saw himself able to impact immediately off HF.


Might suggest that he floats them a little more than you'd like in modern AFL. He's a good long kick but his short/medium needs work.

The kicking test is rudimentary and has them hitting static targets.

Even so he was the only one who got a perfect score.

 

[PumpyChowdown]

Ainsworth appears to not have "it" that will make him a successful AFL player. Read somewhere that in his interviews at the camp when asked if he'd move into the midfield at AFL level he was none too keen on the idea, seemed really dismissal of it.

Horseplop.

Most recent interview I saw he was keen as mustard to move into the midfield. Said just about everybody has to be a utility.

He tested brilliantly at the combine. Very hard to match up on, strong as an ox, genuinely duel-position and has "the X-factor" in spades. He'll be a jet, mark my words.

 

[ParapMarkets]

Let's assume from that:

1. Essendon - McLuggage
2. G.W. Syd - McGrath
3. Brisbane - Ainsworth
4. Gold Coast - Scrimshaw - Just have a feeling if Bowes isn't bid upon, although Taranto fits here also.

5. US: Brodie/Taranto/SPS or anyone else we love.

I get the feeling Brodie would be favourite, especially given the Gibbs departure. I think he would compliment Cripps nicely, a bit more of an inside / outside mix as well (though nowhere near as good on the inside as Cripps, but hey nobody is).

 

[Azul]

I know we can laugh at selection and many will continue to do so as it was wrong for the above reason but have a good luck at that draft year.
There really wasn't a lot of quality around that mark. Have a look and you may agree.

Yes the 2011 draft was particularly weak but Bootsma was taken on a 'feeling', (a) he was the son of an AFL player (b) he had athleticism. But the reality was he hadn't played much footy after moving up from 'the bush' yet his upside was said to be enormous.

Kids with upside. Newnes, Brad Hill, Hamling, Jackson Merrett, Yeo were all taken in the 30s. Actual footballers...

 

[HARKER]

Yes the 2011 draft was particularly weak but Bootsma was taken on a 'feeling', (a) he was the son of an AFL player (b) he had athleticism. But the reality was he hadn't played much footy after moving up from 'the bush' yet his upside was said to be enormous.

Kids with upside. Newnes, Brad Hill, Hamling, Jackson Merrett, Yeo were all taken in the 30s. Actual footballers...

Geelong didn't like Hamling too much after a couple of years on the list.
J. Merrett. Really? The same player who played plenty of reserves football in a weak Essendon side this year.
Newnes is good but that just goes to show how poor that year was.

There may only be a handful left on lists after pick #17, in only a couple of years time. Terrible draft year.

 

[Azul]

J. Merrett. Really? The same player who played plenty of reserves football in a weak Essendon side this year.

Even so, he's managed 50 odd games of footy. Bootsma didn't get to 15 and most of those were gifted.

 

[Jimmae]

Yes the 2011 draft was particularly weak but Bootsma was taken on a 'feeling', (a) he was the son of an AFL player (b) he had athleticism. But the reality was he hadn't played much footy after moving up from 'the bush' yet his upside was said to be enormous.

Kids with upside. Newnes, Brad Hill, Hamling, Jackson Merrett, Yeo were all taken in the 30s. Actual footballers...

Geelong didn't like Hamling too much after a couple of years on the list.
J. Merrett. Really? The same player who played plenty of reserves football in a weak Essendon side this year.
Newnes is good but that just goes to show how poor that year was.

There may only be a handful left on lists after pick #17, in only a couple of years time. Terrible draft year.

By my count:

Yeo, Kerridge, McInnes, Hamling, Talia, Pearce, Neale, Aaron Hall, Sam Frost, Laird, Jong, Tom Campbell, Crisp, Redpath and Sam Gibson.

And that's out of about 180 picks.

 

[mediumsizered]

MSR how do you see the trade weeks playing out? In your experience with the CFC are you of the same believe that SOS & BOLTS are putting us in the right direction. Would love your input!

As far as this trade period goes, you can see that SOS is trying to make up for our relatively poor drafts from 2010-2014 by trading in early draft picks from those years so we don't have to fill our list with a stack of 18/19 year olds from current drafts. What is obviously holding it all back is the Gibbs trade, which the club wasn't able to plan for during September, as they would have done with the likes of Marchbank & Pickett.

I've reached the stage where I think we should cut our losses with Gibbs & take Pick 13 & Lyons & then SOS can focus on the GWS trades & the Tuohy trade. I think once the Gibbs trade is 'locked & loaded' there will be significant subsequent activity & maybe a surprise or two.

I have no doubt that SOS & Bolts are heading us in the right direction. It is quite clear with our trading & drafting that we are not approaching our list management on a year at a time basis. Rather the trades & drafts are following a definite plan, with SOS sticking to his guns as to how he wants to rebuild the list. His ability to tap into the GWS factory & obtain high draft picks from previous drafts is a sound strategy, given our failure to nail enough draft picks in previous years.

 

[slashin_velvet]

I'm hoping we keep pick 5.

Tell gold coast we won't bid on Bowes. Trade next year's 1st and everitt for pick 6 and 10 this year.

Then trade pick 6 and our 3rd for Sydney's 2 first rounders 14 and 17.

13 in the Gibbs deal. Our second and whatever we get for touhy for Marchbank and Pickett.

Go to the draft with 5, 10, 13, 14 and 17.

Dream off-season.

 

[Chookaradley]

I'm hoping we keep pick 5.

Tell gold coast we won't bid on Bowes. Trade next year's 1st and everitt for pick 6 and 10 this year.

Then trade pick 6 and our 3rd for Sydney's 2 first rounders 14 and 17.

13 in the Gibbs deal. Our second and whatever we get for touhy for Marchbank and Pickett.

Go to the draft with 5, 10, 13, 14 and 17.

Dream off-season.

Most sensible thing ive heard all week

 

[Blue_Fusion]

As far as this trade period goes, you can see that SOS is trying to make up for our relatively poor drafts from 2010-2014 by trading in early draft picks from those years so we don't have to fill our list with a stack of 18/19 year olds from current drafts. What is obviously holding it all back is the Gibbs trade, which the club wasn't able to plan for during September, as they would have done with the likes of Marchbank & Pickett.

I've reached the stage where I think we should cut our losses with Gibbs & take Pick 13 & Lyons & then SOS can focus on the GWS trades & the Tuohy trade. I think once the Gibbs trade is 'locked & loaded' there will be significant subsequent activity & maybe a surprise or two.

I have no doubt that SOS & Bolts are heading us in the right direction. It is quite clear with our trading & drafting that we are not approaching our list management on a year at a time basis. Rather the trades & drafts are following a definite plan, with SOS sticking to his guns as to how he wants to rebuild the list. His ability to tap into the GWS factory & obtain high draft picks from previous drafts is a sound strategy, given our failure to nail enough draft picks in previous years.

Why would the plan be to bring in high draft picks that have serious injury problems from 2 years ago?

 

[Jeremias]

Trading our 2017 1st round pick for 2 picks in the first round this year would be a very good idea.

The more young talent we can bring into the club year on year, the better of we will be in the long run.

Of course there is an element of risk that we'll be giving up a top 3 pick but with another influx of young talent + another year under Bolton we'll back ourselves in to at least maintain our position on the ladder.

GC currently hold picks 4 & 8 and by the end of next week could hold picks 6 & 10 as well. My guess is the GC will be very open to the idea of trading a couple of those picks in exchange for 2017 picks and/or experienced players.

If we do it's not inconceivable that at some stage this week we'll be holding picks 5, (two of 4,6,8,10) and 13. Move one of them on for the GWS bunch - with maybe their late first coming back - and we'll be in a brilliant position to replicate our draft performance from last year.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Trading our 2017 1st round pick for 2 picks in the first round this year would be a very good idea.

The more young talent we can bring into the club year on year, the better of we will be in the long run.

Of course there is an element of risk that we'll be giving up a top 3 pick but with another influx of young talent + another year under Bolton we'll back ourselves in to at least maintain our position on the ladder.

GC currently hold picks 4 & 8 and by the end of next week could hold picks 6 & 10 as well. My guess is the GC will be very open to the idea of trading a couple of those picks in exchange for 2017 picks and/or experienced players.

If we do it's not inconceivable that at some stage this week we'll be holding picks 5, (two of 4,6,8,10) and 13. Move one of them on for the GWS bunch - with maybe their late first coming back - and we'll be in a brilliant position to replicate our draft performance from last year.

If we have #5, #6, #10 and #13 then we should offer up #25 and another 2nd rounder (maybe from Touhy deal) for Marchbank and Pickett.

Four picks in the top 15 would give us a great chance to pick up some young talent I wouldn't be willing to part with those.

 

[Blue By Blood]

I'm hoping we keep pick 5.

Tell gold coast we won't bid on Bowes. Trade next year's 1st and everitt for pick 6 and 10 this year.

Then trade pick 6 and our 3rd for Sydney's 2 first rounders 14 and 17.

13 in the Gibbs deal. Our second and whatever we get for touhy for Marchbank and Pickett.

Go to the draft with 5, 10, 13, 14 and 17.

Dream off-season.

Telling GC we won't bid on Bowes is draft tampering. I'm not foolish enough to believe that it doesn't happen but just putting it out there. I'd rather the club not do anything shady with even the slightest chance of being punished.

Next years first and Everitt for 6 & 10 - Tick. I would do that deal even though the 2017 1st is likely to be a high pick as it potentailly allows us to add in Taranto and Scrimshaw this year.
Pick 6 and our 3rd for 14 & 17 - Pass. I like your thinking but I'd much rather keep 6 than add 14 & 17. Pick 6 would allow a Taranto, Scrimshaw, or Brodie.
Gibbs for 13 + whatever else we get (probably a future pick)
Tuohy for Lang but preferably Cockatoo.
Do the first part and head to the draft with 5, 6, 10, 13 as well as adding in Marchbank, Pickett, Lang/Cockatoo?, Hrovat?

Dream draft result with those picks:
Pick 5 - Brodie
Pick 6 - Taranto
Pick 10 - Scrimshaw (unlikely to be available at this pick but a chance)
Pick 13 - Florent or Simpkin

Overall would mean an off-season of:
In: Marchbank, Pickett, Hrovat, Lang, Brodie, Taranto, Scrimshaw, Florent
Out: Gibbs, Tuohy

Boosts our key defensive stocks with Marchbank and sets us a hopefully brilliant combo with Weitering and Plowman.
Adds in some talented but opportunity starved mids in Hrovat and Lang.
Adds in Pickett who it will be interesting to see where we plan to play him. Can play forward, back or through the midfield.
Adds in four exciting midfield prospects from the draft.
Initially I was against the idea of trading our 2017 1st round pick but on second thought it really opens up a lot of possibilities for us (especially if it means adding Taranto and Scrimshaw to what will likely be Brodie at 5).

 

[Jeremias]

If we have #5, #6, #10 and #13 then we should offer up #25 and another 2nd rounder (maybe from Touhy deal) for Marchbank and Pickett.

Four picks in the top 15 would give us a great chance to pick up some young talent I wouldn't be willing to part with those.

Both of Marchbank (19 years old) and Pickett (20) are young talent.

Of course we'd love to get them in for two picks in the second round but that seems very unlikely.

I'd be over the moon if we got Marchbank, Pickett and say their late first round pick for one of those early picks (+ possible steak-knives).

3-4 picks inside the top 20 + Marchbank and Pickett would be a brilliant result for us.

 

[reubsblues]

If we have #5, #6, #10 and #13 then we should offer up #25 and another 2nd rounder (maybe from Touhy deal) for Marchbank and Pickett.

Four picks in the top 15 would give us a great chance to pick up some young talent I wouldn't be willing to part with those.

Then we can all wake up haha but seriously if sos can manufacturer something like that i will be over the moon

 

[Gavstar]

I'm hoping we keep pick 5.

Tell gold coast we won't bid on Bowes. Trade next year's 1st and everitt for pick 6 and 10 this year.

Then trade pick 6 and our 3rd for Sydney's 2 first rounders 14 and 17.

13 in the Gibbs deal. Our second and whatever we get for touhy for Marchbank and Pickett.

Go to the draft with 5, 10, 13, 14 and 17.

Dream off-season.

What's next a years draft looking like? Hate to give up pick 1 or 2 for a two late first round picks.

Does SOS have a statistician helping him out? eg
https://eis.uow.edu.au/content/groups/public/@web/@inf/@math/documents/doc/uow074440.pdf