Hot Topic 2016 DRAFT

[JustaBattler]

if you bid you are guaranteed a chance to get who you bid for...unless.

 

[SABlue]

Correct me if I'm wrong but have I read somewhere that next years draft has some very highly rated tall's?And this years draft is very even with quality mids to the 40's? I'm hoping that our 1st 2-3 selections are mid's this year. Especially with next years draft and B.Silvagni being added to our list over the next 2 years. Difficult to get quality tall's outside the 1st round. I'd be passing on tall's this year.

 

[HARKER]

Correct me if I'm wrong but have I read somewhere that next years draft has some very highly rated tall's?And this years draft is very even with quality mids to the 40's? I'm hoping that our 1st 2-3 selections are mid's this year. Especially with next years draft and B.Silvagni being added to our list over the next 2 years. Difficult to get quality tall's outside the 1st round. I'd be passing on tall's this year.

Given the state of our re-build, you'd say that we went hard for talls last year, taking Weitering, McKay, Curnow, Silvagni & Glass-McCasker.
We did add Plowman via trade and then this year we were desperate to grab Marchbank.
Talls take longer and are being given time, whilst this year we load up on mids and all things being equal, we should be taking on more mids next year to round things off and then target a KPF at the trade table.

The planning makes sense and has a clear agenda......but whether the quality will be good enough to take us somewhere special....?????

 

[SABlue]

Given the state of our re-build, you'd say that we went hard for talls last year, taking Weitering, McKay, Curnow, Silvagni & Glass-McCasker.
We did add Plowman via trade and then this year we were desperate to grab Marchbank.
Talls take longer and are being given time, whilst this year we load up on mids and all things being equal, we should be taking on more mids next year to round things off and then target a KPF at the trade table.

The planning makes sense and has a clear agenda......but whether the quality will be good enough to take us somewhere special....?????

Agreed. I'm loving the list management plan. Kerr, sproles and types like that should be given a wide birth. Tall's with high upside or real quality go early, top 10. Any tall rated in the 20's for me is real risky and generally has a higher percentage to be a bust.

 

[HARKER]

Agreed. I'm loving the list management plan. Kerr, sproles and types like that should be given a wide birth. Tall's with high upside or real quality go early, top 10. Any tall rated in the 20's for me is real risky and generally has a higher percentage to be a bust.

I think I pointed out here a few weeks back as to the lack of quality KP forwards that come from middle to late draft.

That may well change tomorrow but it's rare to find a quality KPF come from down the draft order.
Hogan..Daniher..Lynch..Kennedy..Franklin..Patton..Boyd..and then possibly McCartin & Schache, all taken at the very pointy end.

 

[The Flying Doormat]

Kane cornes was a spud-gun

 

[HyphensBack]

I can guarantee you the guys drafted at pick 5, 25 and 48 won't be in Carltons Best 22 in 2017.

I'll take that bet. Reckon Brodie walks in

I actually have no idea about who we take, but I am pretty certain of the following:
Pick 5 - 50% chance that it is a Carlton pick, probably >50% chance of being in our Best 22
And
Pick 25 - <20% chance that it is a Carlton pick, 50% chance of being in our Best 22
And
Pick 48 - <5% chance that it is a Carlton pick, <50% chance being in our Best 22

So all three picks being in our Best 22 pretty unlikely

It's going to be a long month of jumping at shadows - loving the banter, sorry for the bullshit

 

[Funk]

Sounds like Robert Shaw pumping up a Brighton Grammar Boy. It would be an amazing rise up the rankings for McGrath. I know which one I would prefer though- the good kick who is deadly infront of goals. I suppose the drug cheats need to find a Dempsey replacement.

Won't take much replacing!!!

 

[rog1995]

We know rogers and hughes were mug punters, the question is did they wear a fancy suit or did they just close their eyes

I think they told everyone beforehand who we were going to draft.

 

[HBF]

Kerr at 25 is a huge reach. In fact I wouldnt take any of those three at 25.

Kerr divided a heap of people on BF. I've seen him selected anywhere between 20 and 60.

 

[HBF]

I'll take that bet. Reckon Brodie walks in

Brodie plays round 1 no matter where he gets drafted to.

 

[Probes]

Would Jack Graham be any chance with our 2nd or 3rd rounder? He had an amazing carnival beating guys like McCluggage and Brodie to win the Larke medal whilst captaining his side. We're screaming out for inside mids (all mids in fact) and leaders as well but I don't ever see him being discussed. His weaknesses (being a 1 dimensional inside mid) could surely be worked on, and I feel he would be an absolute bargain with a late pick.

 

[Arr0w]

I think I pointed out here a few weeks back as to the lack of quality KP forwards that come from middle to late draft.

That may well change tomorrow but it's rare to find a quality KPF come from down the draft order.
Hogan..Daniher..Lynch..Kennedy..Franklin..Patton..Boyd..and then possibly McCartin & Schache, all taken at the very pointy end.

I don't think a Brennan Cox is a reach with our second pick. AA kid as a KPD, prior to that, was a KPF. I am sure he was selected for a reserves final, where he was used as a forward and kicked 3 goals

 

[Arr0w]

Would Jack Graham be any chance with our 2nd or 3rd rounder? He had an amazing carnival beating guys like McCluggage and Brodie to win the Larke medal whilst captaining his side. We're screaming out for inside mids (all mids in fact) and leaders as well but I don't ever see him being discussed. His weaknesses (being a 1 dimensional inside mid) could surely be worked on, and I feel he would be an absolute bargain with a late pick.

Valid points, I think he could be a consideration as a 3rd rounder

 

[Pafloyul]

Given the state of our re-build, you'd say that we went hard for talls last year, taking Weitering, McKay, Curnow, Silvagni & Glass-McCasker.
We did add Plowman via trade and then this year we were desperate to grab Marchbank.
Talls take longer and are being given time, whilst this year we load up on mids and all things being equal, we should be taking on more mids next year to round things off and then target a KPF at the trade table.

The planning makes sense and has a clear agenda......but whether the quality will be good enough to take us somewhere special....?????

It's all well and good to have an agenda but you must have the circumstances there to back it up. It's about taking advantage of opportunity. Western Bulldogs are down a bit one year, target a player that is not rated at the very top of the draft because he has no definite playing position - player stars in his third year and helps them to a premiership. We shouldn't be taking the lesser player just because it suits an agenda. On that note, why can't we target a midfielder at the trade table?

 

[Pafloyul]

I think I pointed out here a few weeks back as to the lack of quality KP forwards that come from middle to late draft.

That may well change tomorrow but it's rare to find a quality KPF come from down the draft order.
Hogan..Daniher..Lynch..Kennedy..Franklin..Patton..Boyd..and then possibly McCartin & Schache, all taken at the very pointy end.

True but it's not the same in regards to tall defenders and I think there's room for one more, particularly if he plays an Ang Christou type role. On that note, next year's first rounder probably will be at the pointy end. It will be interesting to see who the best available will be.

 

[Govinda blueboy]

Apologies if this has been discussed already but I am interested in hearing peoples thoughts about taking a mature aged recruit or 2 from the state leagues. We know that some players take a little longer to develop and we have seen recently some great players picked up from the state leagues. In doing some research I came across an article by Krightmare about this very subject and there seems to be some value there.

"Every year there are several mature-age players drafted through the state leagues who offer AFL clubs immediate value and performance.

Last year, Marcus Adams (pick 35), Mitch Brown (pick 54), Sam Collins (pick 55), Rupert Wills (pick 63), Sam Menegola (pick 66), Michael Hartley (pick 68), Josh Wagner (rookie draft pick 6), Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti (rookie draft pick 22), Josh Smith (rookie draft pick 25), Ryan Davis (rookie draft pick 38) and Tom Ruggles (rookie draft pick 44) proved valuable at AFL level. They all showed they had the capacity to play a role and potentially remain long-term players at AFL level.

Recruiting state league players in the latter portion of the draft and during the rookie draft consistently represents strong draft day value for clubs. It is an effective way -- if list holes during trade week and free agency have not been adequately addressed -- for clubs to find players who can immediately step into an AFL team and fill that hole."
http://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_/id/17829343/knightmare-afl-draft-wrap-best-state-league-prospects
Looks like we could get a tall forward, midfielder and a ruckman if we want to go down that path..
Thoughts?

 

[HARKER]

It's all well and good to have an agenda but you must have the circumstances there to back it up. It's about taking advantage of opportunity. Western Bulldogs are down a bit one year, target a player that is not rated at the very top of the draft because he has no definite playing position - player stars in his third year and helps them to a premiership. We shouldn't be taking the lesser player just because it suits an agenda. On that note, why can't we target a midfielder at the trade table?

Of course but only to a point.
i.e. We get to pick #25 and the next two on our list are a full-back we rate @ 87 and a mid we rate @ 86.
Do we take the Full-Back (one we don't really need) we rated only ever so marginally higher than the mid (We are desperate for mids)

Fair to say that we identified the talls to be there last year and no so much this year, as otherwise why would we go head first into Marchbank when we have many others holes to plug, that one face value alone, may seem to be in need of somewhat more urgency?

SOS won't get everything right along the way, but at least we seem to have a formula that we've subscribed to, but must be prepared to change tack when the right situation comes about/is made to come about.

 

[TerryWallet]

I don't think a Brennan Cox is a reach with our second pick. AA kid as a KPD, prior to that, was a KPF. I am sure he was selected for a reserves final, where he was used as a forward and kicked 3 goals

I like Brennan Cox. He is my favorite prospect of all the KPP's in this draft behind Griffin Logue.

I just wouldn't pick him for Carlton. We have a wide group of young KPP's now. I would take a year to evaluate their progress and assess our further KPP needs next year when there is a bigger and better crop apparently.

This is a deep midfield draft and we have aquired the picks to exploit that. We need to stock up on ball winners and runners. This is the draft to do it.

I would go all 5 picks on those types.

 

[Arr0w]

I like Brennan Cox. He is my favorite prospect of all the KPP's in this draft behind Griffin Logue.

I just wouldn't pick him for Carlton. We have a wide group of young KPP's now. I would take a year to evaluate their progress and assess our further KPP needs next year when there is a bigger and better crop apparently.

This is a deep midfield draft and we have aquired the picks to exploit that. We need to stock up on ball winners and runners. This is the draft to do it.

I would go all 5 picks on those types.

I understand where you are coming from, as many of us believe the midfield needs immediate attention.

Have always stated that, I just want the best quality footballers with each pick this year, if that's a mid or KPP, with picks after pick 5, so be it. Then over the next 2 years address needs via the trade/FA and draft period, to fill gaping holes.

 

[Azul]

We have a wide group of young KPP's now. I would take a year to evaluate their progress and assess our further KPP needs next year when there is a bigger and better crop apparently.

Maybe all the 'good' midfielders/small forwards are gone by pick 48? At that stage I wouldn't surprise me to punt on a tall with a later selection - Gorringe/Jones/Rowe/Casboult won't last into 2019 and that's a lot of 197+cm height, for which we only have Jesse and Harry.

 

[Funk]

Correct me if I'm wrong but have I read somewhere that next years draft has some very highly rated tall's?And this years draft is very even with quality mids to the 40's? I'm hoping that our 1st 2-3 selections are mid's this year. Especially with next years draft and B.Silvagni being added to our list over the next 2 years. Difficult to get quality tall's outside the 1st round. I'd be passing on tall's this year.

I'm not too fussed who we select - as long as they live east of Horsham.

 

[Sector 7G]

Kerr divided a heap of people on BF. I've seen him selected anywhere between 20 and 60.

We need to let Kerr go somewhere else and if he shows anything get his grandma to tell him to request a trade or he is out of the will.

 

[ParapMarkets]

I understand where you are coming from, as many of us believe the midfield needs immediate attention.

Have always stated that, I just want the best quality footballers with each pick this year, if that's a mid or KPP, with picks after pick 5, so be it. Then over the next 2 years address needs via the trade/FA and draft period, to fill gaping holes.

I have always agreed with the "best available" approach, the big counter-argument against that though, was the Carlton of old that constantly overlooked KPP, we were bereft of genuine tall talent for a long time.

I think we have been a bit lucky with how the drafts have fallen. Our first draft into the rebuild was stacked with KPP (which we have been able to add to with Plowman and Marchbank), obviously they take longer to develop so I think we were a bit fortunate. It looks to me highly likely that the best available for our first 2 pick this year will be mids.

 

[thylacine60]

We need to let Kerr go somewhere else and if he shows anything get his grandma to tell him to request a trade or he is out of the will.

^^^^
why isn't this guy running our list?