Hot Topic 2016 DRAFT

[HARKER]

By the looks of it we would be cray cray not to bid on Setterfield.
As I said in the list thread he seems to Like Melbourne (coming from Albury)... would be a shame if GWS were to draft him.
Essendon are a good chance to take Mcgrath though.

If Setterfield was bid on early (picks 3-5) and dependent on the above, I can see a possibility where GWS could allow Setterfield to be taken.

They may well rate him above anyone else but inside mids may not be at the top of their needs list.
Their inside mids are already good enough and they still have Hopper & Kennedy to come through.

 

[bigm386]

The write up in the herald sun from champion data is very interesting. brodie at 15 Taranto at 3....

Was thinking Brodie is a go for us but reading through here and a few commentators maybe it will be Taranto :/

 

[BluesRule]

What would happen here?

1. GWS take McGrath @ 2
2. GWS lose picks 15 & 37, as is being touted.
3. GWS are more focused on others, on a needs basis (Perryman, Sproule, McCreadie) than for Setterfield.
4. GWS don't want to dip in too hard into next years points.
5. GWS have a feel that the likes of Perryman, Sproule etc....will be bid on earlier than for what they had hoped for.

It may be possible that GWS are prepared to allow Setterfield to walk through to another club, so as it doesn't affect their plans too much.

If GWS get penalised by the AFL it should be all 1st and second round picks - ideally for two years - like we copped for the salary cap breach.
This is two senior club officials hiding a kid to avoid drug testers. Organisational cheating at the highest level.
It is not in the spirit of the game or of sport in general and the AFL need to get this stuff out of the game asap.
The AFL (after the Essendon saga) needs a clear message that drugs and cheating are not acceptable in the game.
The media keep painting this as amateurish and innocent - but if clubs are allowed to hide drug cheats then the game is doomed to become a home to dangerous practices.

Funny thing is GWS would still be premiership favourites even without their first and second round picks and would still get some great academy kids later in the draft. In fact it will make the next two seasons far more interesting. So will the AFL now send a clear message to the clubs?

 

[MightyMighties]

If Setterfield was bid on early (picks 3-5) and dependent on the above, I can see a possibility where GWS could allow Setterfield to be taken.

They may well rate him above anyone else but inside mids may not be at the top of their needs list.
Their inside mids are already good enough and they still have Hopper & Kennedy to come through.

So if Setterfield was there for the taking, would SOS grab him?

Is he an improvement on Taranto, SPS, Brodie and all the others that have been discussed here?

He's an inside mid yes?

 

[Jimmae]

Guys, please stop quoting CD with their draft analysis. It is so bad, just terrible; stop.

 

[LanceRomance]

Guys, please stop quoting CD with their draft analysis. It is so bad, just terrible; stop.

who is CD?

 

[viking12]

So if Setterfield was there for the taking, would SOS grab him?

absolutely.

 

[Jimmae]

who is CD?

Champion Data

 

[DirkDiggler]

Champion Data

Oh!! thought you were referring to Ian Stewart. Oops

 

[DirkDiggler]

Has anyone here had the opportunity to have a good look at Setterfield? Very impressive in the highlights but they don't tell me much about his durability, possession count, character and impact. If he ticks these boxes we would be mugs to overlook him.

 

[Bic]

I can see us wanting Taranto but fear GC will take him at 4.

 

[LanceRomance]

Champion Data

I am pretty sure Champion data are also responsible for climate projections and US Electoral polls.

 

[Sin City]

Champion data ranking points has a kid called Bunker at 25, has anyone heard of him or have any thoughts?
It said he got more than 23 possessions in all of his games.

I've mentioned him here in the previous phantom draft and on TC. I like him, I think he could be an OK second string midfielder. He and Atley are in my top 25.

 

[Jimmae]

I've mentioned him here in the previous phantom draft and on TC. I like him, I think he could be an OK second string midfielder. He and Atley are in my top 25.

I'm starting to think Geelong could pick Atley before #25. I'd be keen for us to take him then if he's still there.

Extremely underrated in the current media/BF chatter.

 

[CRIPPA9]

All this talk saying GWS might not match a Setterfield bid at 5 if they're stripped of 15/37, but why wouldn't they.

 

[ferrisb]

I am pretty sure Champion data are also responsible for climate projections and US Electoral polls.

Champion Data projected I would be 6 foot 5....

 

[1981]

How good would it be to also have pick 13??

 

[coryne]

Don't count out the possibility we might opt for Will Setterfield touted as a genuine option by Cal Twomey on SEN Sunday night. Would be thrilled if this eventuates as we are looking to bring in as much talent as possible. When assessing the talent pool, SOS is considering which of the talent available at our pick has the most upside.

Don't the GWS have to actually draft them before SOS tries and recruits them ??? ..........

 

[HARKER]

How good would it be to also have pick 13??

How bad would have it been to have a wafer thin midfield?

We got something better than a pick #13 and for a much better price - Caleb Marchbank.

 

[bmaurizio]

How good would it be to also have pick 13??

Yes agree with you 1981, it would be handy but I'm sure the Crows will hand over equivalent pick value if not better next year in a much stronger draft for quality tall KP players an area were desperately in need of replenishment.

 

[MightyMighties]

As Blue For Life said, Twomey thinks we will bid on Setterfield at pick 5.


hopefully GWS wont match. Maybe they get the whitfield/allan/lambert sanction in before next week?

Where did this talk of penalising GWS come from? I must've missed all this.

Are they seriously talking sanctions in the form of draft penalties?

When is this going to happen? On recent AFL form this will take some years!

It'd be nice if they could do it in time to benefit us. Like this week.

 

[teagueyubeauty]

How good would it be to also have pick 13??

How good would it be for Adelaide if they had Gibbs AND Lyons....

 

[Lace_Out]

Amazingly Carlton & * are the only 2 Vic clubs in the 1st 10 selections of the draft. Can't remember ever seeing that before.

This could be a huge windfall for us as it could have interstate teams taking local grown talent helping a few slide to 25. Fingers crossed.

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[bmaurizio]

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Where did this talk of penalising GWS come from? I must've missed all this.

Are they seriously talking sanctions in the form of draft penalties?

When is this going to happen? On recent AFL form this will take some years!

It'd be nice if they could do it in time to benefit us. Like this week.

It will be comfrimed in a day or so. Very unprofessional by GWS but can one blame them after what Essendon got away with?
The AFL must be seen to quash this sort of practice of coduct unbecoming but actually GWS are really just being slaped on the wrist.

 

[The Smoking Gun]

Sick of the repetitive to and fro at the top end of the draft so looking at later options for discussion.

It'd take more than one draft of midfielders to fix many of the issues we currently face in the middle of the ground, but the ones I've selected below might go part way to rectifying them. Apart from Bunker at Pick 70, I've tried to steer away from anyone who's definitively slow (although some of them aren't exactly Usain Bolt either) and I've also deliberately tried to pick players who are capable of winning contested ball. I also wanted players who've shown they can consistently acquire 20 disposals or more per game at high efficiency, because I want people who'll continue to contribute through the entirety of match with a high level of skill rather than simply produce "flash-in-the-pan" cameos for ten minutes and then go missing for the rest of the afternoon. The other aspects I wanted were for the players to have already established a defensive side to their game and are able to handle the ball cleanly. None of them are perfect and they all have their own flaws to work on and nor am I SOS who's had the ability to interview them. Of course then it's up to the club to develop them properly and come up with a style of play they can all execute as a collective so as to get the best out of each other. I also decided to go with a few different names that haven't been discussed much from Pick 48 onwards as it gets pretty speculative from there.

Pick 5 - Tim Taranto: The ultimate professional who does it all and provides scoreboard pressure as well. Inside/outside who is a genuine game changer. I think he'll only get better too. Of the 3 probable candidates available to us he has the potential to be the most damaging, because he operates with a wider scope of thought and vision out on the field. Bit like a chess player working two moves ahead. Always looks to become option further up the ground after disposing of the ball or re-presents to acquire multiple possessions during a chain of play. Has really improved his kicking after the National Champs and the difference is quite noticeable in the All Stars game.
Pick 25 - Kobe Mutch: The more I watch, the more I read, the more I like. Like the way he can pivot onto either foot and put someone into space. I also like how he goes about setting things up and bringing others into the game. Even if SPP and Venables slipped to this point I think I'd still come back to this bloke. He's just a bloody good natural footballer who snaffles plenty of the footy and gets the job done without fuss or fanfare. Doesn't matter which level of footy he's played he's consistently done it with aplomb. Moved away from home in Golgol NSW to further his footy in Bendigo and he seems like a calm unflappable person who'd make the transfer into full-time footy with a minimum of fuss. If he's still available at Pick 25 I'd find it very difficult not to bid on him and with the impending draft penalties coming GWS's way I doubt they'd match it.
Pick 48 - Jamie Hampton: The absolute epitome of everything we love about our indigenous footballers. Runs like the wind, bouncing the ball as he streaks away from the contest. At 187cm he's a nice size, has a great skill set, including a nice step, and the quality of his disposal is pretty good. Is a magnificent kick on the run, wins a lot of his own ball and works quite hard defensively. Can play HBF, HFF & midfield. Will need to add discipline to his game so he plays the percentages more often and becomes more calculated and team-oreintated with his decision making rather than absolutely trying to do everything himself. Needs to use the man in space who's made the effort to present 35m up the ground rather than take on the opposition at all costs, get cornered and then find all his options have evaporated. Having said that, you don't want to take away all the kid's natural flair and tricks as that's what caught your eye to begin with. Hampton needs to do a little more work on his endurance to allow him to the things he does at U18 level in the big dance, but the basics are all there. Can kick a goal too. I'd probably blood him at HBF until Byrne is ready to return and then look to move him up onto a wing. Is a really slick mover through traffic, so there is some potential to do some inside/outside stoppage work and has the potential to be a real powerhouse as his game develops and his body fills out.
Edit: Someone obviously got into his ear when he got into the Allies squad after representing NT. Played with a lot more discipline in the Allies game and looked a lot better for it.
Pick 63 - Quinton Narkle: Highly skilled inside/outside mid with good pace and balance who gets a lot of contested ball and rarely wastes a possession. Couldn't get a game in the Colts side as an 18yo, but absolutely dominated as a 19yo and represented WA in all 4 U18 National Championship games. Like Hampton, Narkle still needs to continue to improve his endurance somewhat and I'd like to see him lay more tackles, but once again all the basics are there. He's not quite the potential excitement machine that Hampton is and nor is he as big, but he doesn't seem to have any real glaring issues and is more team focussed.
Pick 66 - Matt Signorello: The trademark of his play is his ability to win contested ball. One of the very few genuine inside mids who is actually relatively swift in this draft, is very strong overhead and can stick a tackle. Needs to a couple of preseasons in the gym to build up his frame and you'd like to see him just slightly improve his kicking efficiency during this time to bring him right up to the level of the very best. Nevertheless he still averaged 23 disposals at 77% efficiency which is nothing to be sneezed at.
Pick 70 - Luke Bunker: Inside mid who showed he could get plenty of the ball in both the TAC Cup & Nat Champs in a pretty competitive Vic Metro midfield. Is OK by foot, but distributing the ball by hand is where he stands out. Will need to invest in a speed running course, because although he has a reasonably good defensive side to his game his opponents will just run away from him a la Graham at the next level. Nevertheless, whenever he steps up in grade he seems to find a way to get the job done and choose the right option. I also considered Bailey Banfield here and the other option is you may choose to pass and use the last primary list spot for a DFA such as Jake Barrett.

Just some other random thoughts about some other possibilities.

Pick 25 - Harrison Macreadie: Would be my second choice if Mutch isn't available here and if he'd been available to be drafted last year he probably would have been a first round selection. Extremely mobile KPD with very good disposal who can weave his way through traffic and will be a gorilla when he fills out. Would be a good upgrade on an ageing Rowe. One thing that was noticeable in the 2nd half of last season was that opposition coaches would instruct Weitering's direct opponent to go back to the goal square to reduce Weitering's ability to transition and rebound play which greatly limited his influence. The inclusions of Macreadie & Marchbank means Bolton would be able to use Weitering where he'll have the most impact in terms of rebounding and setting up play. Given Plowman's & Marchbank's history of injury he'd also add depth. GWS has plenty of KPDs and they've just re-signed Tim Mohr for another 2 years so I doubt they'd match it.
Pick 48 - Connor Byrne: I'd probably be looking for another quality inside mid here if I took Macreadie or couldn't acquire Mutch at Pick 25. GWS academy product, but I don't know if they'd match any bid given they'd have already made midfield acquisitons with Pick 2, Setterfield and Perryman. Some here might like him ahead of Hampton. Myles Poholke might also be an option here. They can't all be inside mids though.
Pick 25 - Daniel Venables: Will need more tricks than the "don't argue" he gets away with at U18 level against smaller opponents and for someone with a reputation for excellent disposal his KE% is bog ordinary. Has a good defensive side to his game though, very good pace and doesn't need a prematch visit to the Selleys factory to stick a tackle, which is something else I rate. A high proportion of his disposals come as contested possessions so he may have the potential to work inside, but the question remains, does he consistently get enough of the pill to influence a match as a midfielder??? I'm not sure and durability is another issue with him. I also considered Willem Drew here.
Pick 48 - Issac Cumming: Have my doubts he'll still be available here, but his disposal is elite, especially by foot. Like Venables, I just don't know if he gets enough of the ball to warrant selection, because history shows if you can't get a lot of it at junior level that doesn't tend to improve as you head up AFL level. In the end I went with Hampton because he gets more of the ball, still has good disposal and has X-factor.

Rookies.
Rookie 1 - Lachlan Murphy: Diminutive inside mid/back pocket who finds a large amount of the ball and then dishes it off with an extraordinary DE of 83%. Even just his KE runs at nearly 79% which is stupendous. Has a good defensive side to his game, provides run and carry and despite his small frame he's a good tackler. Is only 172cm so we'd need to make sure he eats his Weeties. You'd have to look at him as a rookie if he doesn't find a home in the ND surely.
Rookie 2 - Darcy Cameron: Been overlooked in 3 drafts by all 18 clubs and there'll be a reason for this despite having his virtues consistently advertised by Claremont FC. Mobile ruck who can kick a goal, but does have questions over his competitiveness and intensity. Dunno. Would you be taking him because he has the potential to do the job at AFL level, or just to add ruck depth??? What's likely to be available next year in terms of ruck stocks and are they any better??? Any thoughts here Jimmae & Coona Blues???

Kerr, Battle, Sproule, Hayward. I thought about it....I stopped thinking about it....forgot about it. We already have Jaksch, Silvagni, Curnow & Smedts who play the 3rd tall role. Any chance we might put some time into developing one of them??? We also have Casboult, McKay, Jones & Gorringe who are also supported by Phillips & Kreuzer. I know it can be hard to see the trees for the forest sometimes, but we have more tall forwards than midfielders ffs. Think we need to clear out the dead wood first before getting more.

I'm the first to admit that I don't qualify as a list manager's arseh*le, which is probably very lucky for you lot and CFC, but if my selections have kept you entertained for a couple of minutes and sent some of you scurrying off to do a little research then where's the harm in that??? Like Coona Blues I'd like to see what other people like at Pick 48 & beyond.