Hot Topic 2016 DRAFT

[Blue__Balls]

By all accounts we could well get a kid at 25 who would have been top dozen in any other year.

Pick 25 and even 48 are arguably more interesting than pick 5.

After hearing SOS talk of 'talent' and knowing Bolts would be a fan of good ball use I can see why we are linked to SPS and TT. Both are excellent users of it.

I think the experts get a bit too heavy-handed with these sorts of comments, without really thinking about what they're saying.

Is it accurate to say that the players around 20-25 this year would have been rated as good or better than the top 10-12 last year? Or is it more that the players ranked 10-25 this year are all similar in ability?

Would Will Hayward have been taken ahead of Jacob Hopper or Charlie Curnow?
Would Josh Battle have been taken ahead of Sam Weideman or Harry McKay?
Would Shai Bolton have been taken ahead of Callum Ah Chee or Wayne Milera?
Would Sam Powell-Pepper have been taken ahead of Aaron Francis or Matthew Kennedy?

I think this draft has a small number of A+ grade players, not many A grade players, but a heap of B grade players. Those B-graders could all be in the mix for the first round this year, but that doesn't mean they would have been in any other draft.

(PS. Nothing wrong with B-grade players, they'll make up three quarters of most lists.)

 

[La Dispute]

If they're splitting hairs, I'd say Taranto is the more likely of the two.

He's ready to slot in next year, is Victorian, has great goal sense (something we lack) and has a heap of versatility; which we've indicated we'd like to see in the next draft crop. I also think both SOS and Bolton will like his competitiveness with his 2nd efforts, tackling intent and pressure.

 

[Lace_Out]

By all accounts we could well get a kid at 25 who would have been top dozen in any other year.

Pick 25 and even 48 are arguably more interesting than pick 5.

After hearing SOS talk of 'talent' and knowing Bolts would be a fan of good ball use I can see why we are linked to SPS and TT. Both are excellent users of it.

TT as in Tim Taranto? I wouldn't say he is an excellent user of the ball. He is effective but not the most natural looking kick which is to be expected as he is a basketball convert.

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[viking12]

i do hope SOS and co bid on Setterfield first.
even better if Bombers bid with pick 1 and GWS elect not to match. provides McCluggage to slide to us potentially.

 

[Coona Blues]

Been searching re Will Hayward
From Naracoorte Herald today.

"Hayward is from a high achieving family, with older brother Harry currently studying law and Commence in Adelaide, with his 22-year-old sister Alice, the partner of former Crows and now Carlton footballer, Sam Kerridge"

http://www.portlincolntimes.com.au/story/4255599/afl-draft-combine-will-hayward/?cs=2747


....sorry not sure on linking.

 

[TBellicious]

There's a chance we could get McCluggage at 5.

 

[bluemahogany]

There's a chance we could get McCluggage at 5.

Something like

Essendon - McGrath
GWS - Ainsworth
Brisbane Bid on Bowes- GC take him
Brisbane - SPS
Carlton McCluggage?

Not impossible at all.

 

[therubbernub]

why would Brisbane bid on Bowes? Is he a qld boy?

 

[TBellicious]

Something like

Essendon - McGrath
GWS - Ainsworth
Brisbane Bid on Bowes- GC take him
Brisbane - SPS
Carlton McCluggage?

Not impossible at all.

Close-ish

ESS - McGrath
GWS - Taranto
BRIS - Ainsworth
GC - Bowes
CARL - McCluggage

 

[Jimmae]

So as a guide to how deep the draft is, and where players are roughly likely to fall I thought I'd generate a rough depth chart. I have used the Draft Machine rankings to guide me significantly and have not seen all these players play.

Band 1: (Picks 1-3~)

McGrath, Ainsworth, McLuggage

Band 2: (Picks 4-9~)

Taranto, Brodie, Petrovski-Seton, Settlerfield, Scrimshaw, Bowes

Band 3: (Picks 10-24~)

Florent, Simpkin, Logue, English, T. Marshall, Hayward, Gallucci, Berry, Perryman, Battle, Powell-Pepper, Venables, Witherden, Bolton, C. Cox

Band 4: (Picks 25-48~)

Williamson, Drew, Graham, Kerr, Rotham, Maibaum, B. Cox, Cumming, Mutch, MacReadie, Atley, Scheer, Daicos, Baker, Ridley, Scharenberg, C.Brown, Sproule, Lipinski, Ryan, Fisher, Walker, Himmelburg, Guelfi

Band 5: (Picks 49-73)

Begley, Brayshaw, Waterman, Morrish, Allison, Williams, Watson, Parfitt, Morrison, Stengle, Garthwaite, Long, Duman, M. McCarthy, Junker, McLarty, Ratugolea, Dundon, Poholke, Lyons, Marshall, Zurhaar, Jarman, Clarke, McInenery

Band 6: (Picks 74-90)

Larkey, Tiziani, Simpson, Davis, Darcy, Kirby, De Wit, Narkle, Romensky, Lynch, Ronke, Piper, Hampton, Cameron, Olango, Fisher, Phillips

Now I don't think that these boundaries are nearly as solid as I have represented them, but it shows that some good players are getting through until late in the draft.

I rate band 3, 4 and 5 being bigger than you've bounded them, particularly band 4.

Is it accurate to say that the players around 20-25 this year would have been rated as good or better than the top 10-12 last year? Or is it more that the players ranked 10-25 this year are all similar in ability?

I would say last year dropped away after Milera, and then dropped sharply again after Burton. This draft drops away a little earlier for that first tier (or two tiers), but then it's doesn't drop again until about pick 28, after which it goes on a gentle slope.

I wish we'd gotten something for Graham and White.

why would Brisbane bid on Bowes? Is he a qld boy?

Yes; GCS academy.

 

[thylacine60]

Been searching re Will Hayward
From Naracoorte Herald today.
"Hayward is from a high achieving family, with older brother Harry currently studying law and Commence in Adelaide, with his 22-year-old sister Alice, the partner of former Crows and now Carlton footballer, Sam Kerridge"

....sorry not sure on linking.

Or how that is considered "high achieving". Brother at uni, sister goes out with footballer. Not quite the Kennedys.

 

[Blue__Balls]

Or how that is considered "high achieving". Brother at uni, sister goes out with footballer. Not quite the Kennedys.

They're from Adelaide, it's a different scale entirely.

 

[Funk]

Berry interviewed on AFL website today.

Says he would love to play for Carlton because his uncle (who recently passed away) was a massive Blues fan.

What do you guys/girls know much about him?

Is he any chance to slide to 25?

Would we want him if he did?

 

[Blue__Balls]

Berry interviewed on AFL website today.

Says he would love to play for Carlton because his uncle (who recently passed away) was a massive Blues fan.

What do you guys/girls know much about him?

Is he any chance to slide to 25?

Would we want him if he did?

At 25, absolutely. Not sure he gets that far though.

 

[Jimmae]

Berry interviewed on AFL website today.

Says he would love to play for Carlton because his uncle (who recently passed away) was a massive Blues fan.

What do you guys/girls know much about him?

Is he any chance to slide to 25?

Would we want him if he did?

He went higher in our phantom, but I honestly think he's a good chance to be there. Been overrated all year IMO, with Jy Simpkin, Florent, SPP & Atley more likely to enthuse clubs looking for a mid in that range.

 

[coryne]

Something like

Essendon - McGrath
GWS - Ainsworth
Brisbane Bid on Bowes- GC take him
Brisbane - SPS
Carlton McCluggage?

Not impossible at all.

Or

GWS - Settlefield (after a * bid)
* - McGrath
GCS - Bowes (after a Lions bid)
Lions - Ainsworth


I am guessing that the AFL wouldn't mind if the GWS took Settlefield after an * bid as it would mean that * don't have the "#1 selection" after all their doping ways and the GWS are forced to pay up for Settlefield after their doping ways.


Side note. Guess it really does pay to dope up your players in this day and age ..........

 

[1981]

TT as in Tim Taranto? I wouldn't say he is an excellent user of the ball. He is effective but not the most natural looking kick which is to be expected as he is a basketball convert.

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I've not seen a lot of him but he seems to be a player who as much as possible likes to make the right decision

There's two facets to kicking

1. Raw skill, and
2. The mental side that is having the composure to make the right decision

Some players have one but not both

2 could be described as a non panicker

 

[Lace_Out]

I've not seen a lot of him but he seems to be a player who as much as possible likes to make the right decision

There's two facets to kicking

1. Raw skill, and
2. The mental side that is having the composure to make the right decision

Some players have one but not both

2 could be described as a non panicker

That's fair.
My gut feeling is he will be an absolute star and I wouldn't be suprised if we land him [emoji41]

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[1981]

I think the experts get a bit too heavy-handed with these sorts of comments, without really thinking about what they're saying.

Is it accurate to say that the players around 20-25 this year would have been rated as good or better than the top 10-12 last year? Or is it more that the players ranked 10-25 this year are all similar in ability?

Would Will Hayward have been taken ahead of Jacob Hopper or Charlie Curnow?
Would Josh Battle have been taken ahead of Sam Weideman or Harry McKay?
Would Shai Bolton have been taken ahead of Callum Ah Chee or Wayne Milera?
Would Sam Powell-Pepper have been taken ahead of Aaron Francis or Matthew Kennedy?

I think this draft has a small number of A+ grade players, not many A grade players, but a heap of B grade players. Those B-graders could all be in the mix for the first round this year, but that doesn't mean they would have been in any other draft.

(PS. Nothing wrong with B-grade players, they'll make up three quarters of most lists.)

With the same token though I wouldn't over analyse

Some will possibly be better than a lot of previous top tenners but not all

I assume the view was a higher proportion of those in the 20s this year compared to other years might turn out better than the top ten or so

Of course I'm just passing on what was written elsewhere

 

[Jeremias]

He went higher in our phantom, but I honestly think he's a good chance to be there. Been overrated all year IMO, with Jy Simpkin, Florent, SPP & Atley more likely to enthuse clubs looking for a mid in that range.

Most BF "experts" seem to have Berry going in the 15-20 range.

Looks like he'll most likely be gone by the time our second pick comes around, but every year the draft throws a few curve-balls out and it's not completely out of the question that he's on the board at that pick.

 

[Blue__Balls]

With the same token though I wouldn't over analyse

Some will possibly be better than a lot of previous top tenners but not all

I assume the view was a higher proportion of those in the 20s this year compared to other years might turn out better than the top ten or so

Of course I'm just passing on what was written elsewhere

Yeah, absolutely, not having a dig at you on this one - questioning the media beat-up about the strength of this draft.

I think it's a deep, even draft, rather than a strong one. To say that there are players going in the second round who would have been top 10 picks any other year reads as sensationalist to me. I actually think there are players in this year's likely top 10 who may have slipped to 15-20 last year.

 

[Big Sim is Back]

They're from Adelaide, it's a different scale entirely.

Families like that in Hobart are Royalty. Grade 12 is considered higher education here and if your sister goes out with the local publican you are are a celebrity in your own right.

 

[Jimmae]

Most BF "experts" seem to have Berry going in the 15-20 range.

Looks like he'll most likely be gone by the time our second pick comes around, but every year the draft throws a few curve-balls out and it's not completely out of the question that he's on the board at that pick.

Yeah, all I'm saying is that he was highly rated coming into this year on the back of not much, and he's continued to do not much.

Just the one TAC game in the middle by the looks of it, but seems to play at both ends. His versatility is handy, but I think it's hampered his development. Skill level is all well and good, but it's an understanding of the game that allows that to shine.

 

[Big Sim is Back]

Or
I am guessing that the AFL wouldn't mind if the GWS took Settlefield after an * bid as it would mean that * don't have the "#1 selection" after all their doping ways and the GWS are forced to pay up for Settlefield after their doping ways.

The same AFL that refused to punish the Cheats for the actual doping and are punishing the Giants for their doping debacle by suspending the employees of two other clubs?

 

[coryne]

The same AFL that refused to punish the Cheats for the actual doping and are punishing the Giants for their doping debacle by suspending the employees of two other clubs?

But thats the point, the debate over if * should have been stripped of the #1 selection is "resolved" because the GWS had the #1 pick in the draft and the GWS don't get BOTH a top selection and Settlefield (and won't be going in to point deficit for 2017). It would also put less pressure on the AFL to adjust the Academy system if both Bowes and Settlefield go in the top 5 but thats a different issue ..........