Hot Topic 2016 DRAFT

[Sector 7G]

Imagine SOS not taking McKay, because a Strnadic or Blake was rated highly, from last year.

For me, that's not a risk a good recruiter would take, but I enjoy the varying opinions here

How about if we did it for potential No1 draft pick( one year out) John "the future" Butcher

 

[BrisbaneCFC]

I can't be bothered but if someone cares to work out the following hypothetical without their picks #15 & #37

GWS takes McGrath at #2
Carlton bids on Setterfield with #5
Perryman gets bid on @10
Macreadie gets bid on @20
Sproule @ 25
Cumming @30
Mutch @35

How would that work out?

Don't have the patience to work it out either, but looking at it roughly, I doubt they land more than two of their academy players should they lose those two picks being spoken about. I cant see them having enough points to match bids. If GWS lose those two picks, I would think they would have to decide whether they want McGrath more than they want to hold on to all of their academy players. I don't see how they keep their academy players, unless they go into deficit.

 

[Jimmae]

I can't be bothered but if someone cares to work out the following hypothetical without their picks #15 & #37

GWS takes McGrath at #2
Carlton bids on Setterfield with #5
Perryman gets bid on @10
Macreadie gets bid on @20
Sproule @ 25
Cumming @30
Mutch @35

How would that work out?

You'd need to factor in other bids, everyone's picks shifting up due to the removed picks, but they'd need 2645 points after #2 in this draft to match that at the start.

With those picks stripped, they'd only have 2120 at the start of the draft, but with each bid their remaining points would creep up a hundred or two for the first few bids. It'd be close, but they'd miss out on a player in that scenario, and possibly have their entire 2017 draft wiped out due to #20 being in the first round.

I don't think Perryman, Mutch, Sproule and Cumming will get bid on quite as early as you project.

 

[HARKER]

You'd need to factor in other bids, everyone's picks shifting up due to the removed picks, but they'd need 2645 points after #2 in this draft to match that.
I don't think Perryman, Mutch, Sproule and Cumming will get bid on quite as early as you project.
With those picks stripped, they'd only have 2120 at the start of the draft, but with each bid their remaining points would creep up a hundred or two for the first few bids. It'd be close, but they'd miss out on a player in that scenario, and possibly have their entire 2017 draft wiped out due to #20 being in the first round.

I did say hypothetical.

I can see a position where GWS may not take Setterfield, but that largely depends on their preferred needs and rating of Setterfield.

It probably won't come about, but if it did..........I wouldn't be surprised.

 

[Weiterbot23]

Kerr getting a sub 3 second 20m sprint is pretty impressive, good height, elite speed and smarts = v handy forward.

So torn on wanting him at 25 or hoping he slips to our next pick...

With the sub 3 20m, I can't see him lasting past the early 30s at the latest.

 

[Jimmae]

I did say hypothetical.

I can see a position where GWS may not take Setterfield, but that largely depends on their preferred needs and rating of Setterfield.

It probably won't come about, but if it did..........I wouldn't be surprised.

I think it's more likely they'll just let someone like Sproule or Mutch not be matched.

I believe the round of the bid is more important for their 2017 prospects than anything else, as I'm not sure they need to pay all the points immediately, just give up the picks in the relevant rounds. The deficit cap actually hurts them, because its impossible for them to have only 2008 points next year given multiple second round picks (i.e. one must be #35 at least, they can't both be #36, though that's only 20 points).

 

[GoBlues!]

Twomey and Mick Ablett did a mock draft. They didn't use industry whispers as a guide but just their rankings and club needs.

Top 30 was:

McCluggage
McGrath
Bowes (bid matched)
Ainsworth
Setterfield (bid matched)
Petrevski Seton (Carlton)
Brodie
Logue
Taranto
Simpkin
English
Perryman (bid matched)
Scrimshaw
Berry
Hayward
Battle
Florent
Witherden
Marshall
Gallucci
Powell Pepper
Venables
B Cox
Bolton
C Cox
Kerr (Carlton)
Cumming (bid matched)
Ridley
Mutch (NOT matched)
Walker

I still think we'll go for two mids with our first 2 picks.

Surprised that Drew is not in the picture.

 

[ferrisb]

Perhaps we all spend too much time analysing what players need to improve, rather than embracing what the do very well. He is one of the youngest kids in this draft and unlike many on our list, has serious X-Factor.

I have wanted to say this several times in recent days.

Success is arguably defined more by maximising your strengths than minimising your weaknesses. As long as your weakness isn't so bad it makes the whole thing unviable.

Want a midfielder? Find a kid who can find the ball, has solid skills and makes good decisions. I don't care if he isn't the quickest going round as long as he wasn't in the bottom third or whatever.

We tend to look for footballers who can get the ball, spread, have excellent skills, game play, run a 15 beep and the 20m in under 2.9 secs. They exist, but are gone by pick 3-5. And still don't always turn out to be the best footballers.

 

[SABlue]

Imagine SOS not taking McKay, because a Strnadic or Blake was rated highly, from last year.

For me, that's not a risk a good recruiter would take, but I enjoy the varying opinions here

My point exactly. McKay was rated highly. Like quite a few prospects next year. Not just 1 or 2 but anywhere up to 10. Not in the 20's like Kerr which history tells us is speculative at best for tall's outside the first round.
Anyway I'm sure SOS is looking beyond this year and if he judges Kerr to be better than most of the tall's next year then I suppose we might get him. I'd much rather a Clarke, Scharenberg or many other good mid's in the 20's though.

 

[Soapy V]

really don't think we will pick kerr at 25. too many good mids available at that pick. we need mids and I would rate them higher than kerr.

 

[Funk]

For those interested in who we pick with late/rookie picks - I suggest you read the interview on Crows website with the recruiter who selected Rory Laird as a rookie pick.

Very enlightening and well worth a read.

 

[Arr0w]

My point exactly. McKay was rated highly. Like quite a few prospects next year. Not just 1 or 2 but anywhere up to 10. Not in the 20's like Kerr which history tells us is speculative at best for tall's outside the first round.
Anyway I'm sure SOS is looking beyond this year and if he judges Kerr to be better than most of the tall's next year then I suppose we might get him. I'd much rather a Clarke, Scharenberg or many other good mid's in the 20's though.

If SOS is looking at a tall, I would prefer we pick Brennan Cox if it's a mid, I would be happy with Bolton, Clarke, Atley to name a few


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[BlackGoanna]

Warming to SPS. Was concerned about the typical go home factor of remote WA upbringing . That has been dispelled in his interviews. I think both sps and Pickett would both help each other in the same way as the 3 amigos . The X factor would be exciting as hell.

I'm all for taking Kerr at 25. We need another key forward to round out McKay , Silvagni and Curnow. Kerr also provides a point of difference as a lead up and contested FF. We have 3-4 more picks fir mids and should find a gem in there somewhere

 

[BlackGoanna]

Does anyone know what time the draft kicks off on Foxtel next Friday?

 

[Stefchook]

I think it's more likely they'll just let someone like Sproule or Mutch not be matched.

And MacReadie.

I agree. The suggestion is they're pretty hot on Settlefield and Perryman, and aren't too fussed about the others.

 

[Stefchook]

We may want to balance the elite clearance beast (Cripps) with an elite outside mid (SPS) or elite goal-kicking mid (Taranto), then draft some support from Cripps with a later pick.

Having 2 elite clearance players is less effective if they're delivering the ball to a weaker complement of outside mids.

That's how I thought we'd go as well. However, it's not what Sam Landsberger is actually suggesting. If having Cripps means we're not interested in Brodie. Then it probably suggests we're also not particularly interested in Drew or Scharenberg or Graham (unless they're still available much later in the draft, and are considerably ahead of our next 'rated' player).

Who knows whether Landsberger actually knows what he's talking about. But if he does, I suspect we won't be drafting a clearance brute in the first 2 rounds at least.

 

[Go_Blues!]

Just curious, I listened to the podcast which had us bidding on Setterfield. After all the recent talk of GWS losing picks 15 and 37 for the Whitfield saga, and I don't know whether that will happen or not, I'm just posing the question, would GWS even have the points left to match a bid from us for Setterfield? Would anyone like to see us pick him up with our first if they were unable to match? Just curious.

Why do we need to bid on players headed for GWS since we just get them for free a few years later?

 

[Arr0w]

That's how I thought we'd go as well. However, it's not what Sam Landsberger is actually suggesting. If having Cripps means we're not interested in Brodie. Then it probably suggests we're also not particularly interested in Drew or Scharenberg or Graham (unless they're still available much later in the draft, and are considerably ahead of our next 'rated' player).

Who knows whether Landsberger actually knows what he's talking about. But if he does, I suspect we won't be drafting a clearance brute in the first 2 rounds at least.

Not picking Brodie at 5 does not mean we don't pick an inside mid later in the draft. It means we rate others higher at pick 5 and could select a Clarke/Drew at 25 or a Atley/Bunker at 48


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[The Smoking Gun]

TT as in Tim Taranto? I wouldn't say he is an excellent user of the ball. He is effective but not the most natural looking kick which is to be expected as he is a basketball convert.

Go and watch his highlights in the All Star game. Quite impressed with the improvement with the ball flight from his kicks than when he played in the Nat Champs. I reckon he's not far off McLuggage territory now. TBH there's not a lot between the any of the top 10, but not only do I think he's a good footballer, but one of the smarter ones.

Or how that is considered "high achieving". Brother at uni, sister goes out with footballer. Not quite the Kennedys.

They're from Adelaide, it's a different scale entirely.

Quit it you two....I've got coffee streaming out my nose!!!

Berry interviewed on AFL website today.
Says he would love to play for Carlton because his uncle (who recently passed away) was a massive Blues fan.
What do you guys/girls know much about him?
Is he any chance to slide to 25?
Would we want him if he did?

He's an interesting one Funk for sure. Would have been easily ranked inside the top 10 at the start of the year, but a series of minor injuries have held him back this year. He's big, he's fast, he's got a massive engine, strong overhead, hard at the footy and you could pretty much play him anywhere....and to some extent, therein lies the problem. I'm not sure I know where he belongs and more importantly, I'm not sure he knows where he belongs. Eventually I see him as an elite rebounding half back. Tested unbelievably well at virtually everything at the combine, but the combine's not footy of course. Would I be interested at Pick 25??? Yeah, sure. But therein lies the challenge in recruiting: Proven Record + Unrealised Potential + Personality/Behaviour: Blend it all together and what have you got??? For me, if I'm after a tall defender then I'd still bid on Macreadie first and if I'm after a midfielder I'd still bid on Mutch first. If we were a little more advanced in both areas (a year or two) then I'd quite possibly take the punt on a hybrid like Berry. But then again, I'm not SOS.

They would have points and could dip into next years points, but are they going to do that?
If they rate Perryman, Macreadie, Sproule and co. high, then maybe someone may need to be forfeited for them to attain most of their objectives.............and it won't be McGrath

My understanding is that they're chasing 3 prospects from their academy, Setterfield, Perryman & Macreadie and they may only take 2 if they cop the rumoured draft sanctions.

Would much sooner Mutch than Kerr, if the situation comes about.
Surprised many just don't seem to rate Clarke.

Hard not to like Kobe very Mutch. One minute with...Koby Mutch. Bendigo Pioneers Footballer.
Think most on this board rate him pretty highly and be rapt to snaffle him at Pick 25. Think he'll make the transition without any problem.

 

[Bronze]

Brett Anderson on SEN1116 mentioned that SPS has been "cursed" with soft tissue injuries this year.
Anyone know if this is true? First I've heard.
A bit worrying considering he will likely be picked up by Carlton at pick 5 or 6.

 

[thylacine60]

Does anyone know what time the draft kicks off on Foxtel next Friday?

Answer the question! The question, jerks!

 

[Jimmae]

And MacReadie.

I agree. The suggestion is they're pretty hot on Settlefield and Perryman, and aren't too fussed about the others.

I think they're fibbing with Macreadie; he's been up there most of the year training with them. I'm sure they'd be happy with Sproule and Mutch after 35. Cumming suits their list too.

They've opened up 8 list spots for more than just the points to secure 2 players, but they're trying to get as many as they can closer to the other side of pick 55.

 

[Stefchook]

Not picking Brodie at 5 does not mean we don't pick an inside mid later in the draft. It means we rate others higher at pick 5 and could select a Clarke/Drew at 25 or a Atley/Bunker at 48.

Except if Sam Landsberger is right, and we don't rate it as a list priority (because of Cripps). In which case, it'd be highly unlikely that we take an inside mid in the first 2 picks.

Not saying he is right. But if he is ... I'd expect to see speed and skill as the priority in rounds 1 and 2.

 

[Stefchook]

I think they're fibbing with Macreadie; he's been up there most of the year training with them. I'm sure they'd be happy with Sproule and Mutch after 35. Cumming suits their list too.

They've opened up 8 list spots for more than just the points to secure 2 players, but they're trying to get as many as they can closer to the other side of pick 55.

Quite possibly. But if picks come relatively early (on any other than Setterfield and Perryman), they're highly unlikely to match them (on the assumption that they are penalised their original 1st and 2nd round pick). They've got early talent in the academy lined up again for next year, and they can't afford to go into too great a deficit.

 

[TheCoach16]

I don't know anything about any of these boys other than what I read here...
By the way, great insights by a lot of you, how you know so much is beyond me.

So my pick is determined by one criteria, and I'm hoping one of you will tell me who fits...

Which of these boys will be ready to play, and impact, round 1 2017?

That's who I want.