Hot Topic 2016 DRAFT

[Jimmae]

I'm not disputing his talent what so ever, in my opinion I'm hoping we draft Tarranto and I'm hoping that Picket comes good.
If SOS calls out SPS, I'm not going to be upset as its obvious what he is capable of but im hoping we go with a bigger bodied mid in Tarranto who has had a breakout season off his first preseason. In saying that Tarranto isn't as flashy as SPS but his defining qualities have the making of a superstar and once in an AFL program I believe will surpass all in his draft pool.

That all comes down to what scope for improvement both have.

In a footballing capacity, Taranto ultimately hasn't had as much time in the system (basketballer), whereas SPS has done everything there is to do, and well might I add. You're 100% wrong about his possession numbers.

In a physical sense, you could argue that SPS has more room to improve given Taranto's levels of conditioning nearing on elite for a junior. SPS on the other hand, has had multiple injury issues, including hamstring problems this year. If SPS' woes are behind him, he will go up a notch.

So that's really the question: is SPS going to be injury-free long term?

And this is ignoring other names like the alleged top 3, academy kids and Scrimshaw.

 

[Blue For Life]

That all comes down to what scope for improvement both have.

In a footballing capacity, Taranto ultimately hasn't had as much time in the system (basketballer), whereas SPS has done everything there is to do, and well might I add. You're 100% wrong about his possession numbers.

In a physical sense, you could argue that SPS has more room to improve given Taranto's levels of conditioning nearing on elite for a junior. SPS on the other hand, has had multiple injury issues, including hamstring problems this year. If SPS' woes are behind him, he will go up a notch.

So that's really the question: is SPS going to be injury-free long term?

And this is ignoring other names like the alleged top 3, academy kids and Scrimshaw.

Your opinion has some merit but where you and I disagree is who has a higher ceiling? To me it would be Tarranto, even though he had the better year due to SPS being injured, but he averaged 27 touches a game, kicked goals, plays inside and out, is a match winner and unlike SPS has only recently left basketball to focus on football.
SPS can do special things, has electrifying pace and injury free may be considered #1 in this upcoming draft, but I honestly see Tarranto being a better fit for the CFC.
Again if SPS was drafted I would be happy and would back him in just the same.
I would be happier to be in a position to have both, but it comes down to who is a better fit for the club and at this stage of our list rebuild I firmly believe Tarranto.

 

[TheHunterCripps]

Would be nice if we got Jarman with a later pick. Has plenty of upside. Plus, it would irk a few at Adelaide. Gibbs and Jarman running around in navy blue.

 

[Stig O'Hara]

Would be nice if we got Jarman with a later pick. Has plenty of upside. Plus, it would irk a few at Adelaide. Gibbs and Jarman running around in navy blue.

Strange one.

He's bone arse, pup squeak little.

Weight of expectation is very high.

 

[La Dispute]

There is no indication SPS is a flight risk and SPS has said himself he wants to relocate to Melbourne. Given he wont go at Pick 1, and the next Melbourne-based selection is at Pick 11, he is actively endorsing us taking him.

 

[Jesse Deluxe]

I'm changing from Brodie to Taranto... I'm hoping we stay away from SPS. Let another club with more talent take the risk. Stick to what we know rather than want we think.

Forza Taranto.

 

[Arr0w]

http://www.wafl.com.au/players/view/5428

What are you talking about? And for anyone else reading, that's not wrong, he's been playing Colts since the age of 15.

Keep in mind it's reduced quarter lengths at the champs, and it's unusual to average more than 20 possessions a game unless you are a hard-bodied inside mid or getting lots of handball receives.

There is no doubt SPS is extremely talented, arguably the most talented pure midfielder in the draft. The one concern for me, is his lack of scoreboard pressure over the last 2 years

 

[therubbernub]

Quigs has put up his draft rankings.

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/quigleys-2016-draft-rankings.1152444/#post-47835375

Apparently Brodie is "quite evasiveness"

 

[Tony Lynn 15]

Strange one.

He's bone arse, pup squeak little.

Weight of expectation is very high.

Please don't mention weight in the same sentence as the Jarman's!

 

[GapInIkonPark]

Would be nice if we got Jarman with a later pick. Has plenty of upside. Plus, it would irk a few at Adelaide. Gibbs and Jarman running around in navy blue.

Adelaide has Betts, Cameron, as well as Dear and Menzel on the forward fringe? Jarman would not get a run for 3 years. Could see him at the Blues.

 

[Jimmae]

There is no doubt SPS is extremely talented, arguably the most talented pure midfielder in the draft. The one concern for me, is his lack of scoreboard pressure over the last 2 years

We don't have scoring assist or scoring involvement numbers there, and he doesn't seem to bottle up the play when in possession.

 

[LemmingMaster]

It would seem that the following players will be selected before us.

McCluggage
McGrath
Ainsworth

Seems like we've been linked to
Hayward
SPS
Simpkin

Other options that make sense are

Brodie
Taranto

Options that some people on BF want

Scrimshaw

It will be interesting to see who GCS pick up and what options it leaves us on the table.

 

[ferrisb]

SPS and Pickett don't play the same role at all.

Not so sure, LM.

I see them playing the exact same role....





.... Tearing up Carlton's opponents!



(just one from the flank, the other from the guts)

 

[Blue and Silver]

Hey LemmingMaster

Wondering if you're doing a phantom this year?

 

[ferrisb]

I stand corrected here:

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-11-18/crows-roll-the-dice-with-fatherson-prospect-ben-jarman


That seems ridiculous to me given the change to the bidding system. You should not be forced to roll the dice if others can pluck him wherever they like.

Disagree, Jimmae.

By not nominating him, the crows are saying they dont even want the choice of matching a bid in the national draft.

If they dont think he is worth picking even with the last pick in the national draft, then it should be open slather for any team that does.

 

[Jimmae]

Disagree, Jimmae.

By not nominating him, the crows are saying they dont even want the choice of matching a bid in the national draft.

If they dont think he is worth picking even with the last pick in the national draft, then it should be open slather for any team that does.

I think it reflects their salary cap and the opportunity that #66 offers them in terms of draft position.

They may have a senior SA talent that they want to gather there before Port come back into the draft at #79, but think that Jarman will get a bid before 56 (i.e. he will cost points and thus chew up at least part of #66). Or maybe just another name they have in mind for #53 that they are afraid of missing out on due to a bid by someone like us at #43.

We've supposedly sat down with Jarman, so maybe we are in the hunt, and maybe we've duped them into giving us a free crack in the 60s. Who knows.

What irks me is that if you're a team that rates the F/S candidate at pick 80 and you're in a rebuild, or have had to trade out a little senior talent and find yourself with nothing but top 40-50 picks active, you shouldn't get screwed out of the option of sacrificing a contracted player to the rookie draft in order to ensure fair market value for the F/S bid.

If you aren't prepared to match that sub-50 bid, fine, but if it never comes you should be able to step back in later despite not having list space. Or you shouldn't have to completely forfeit rights if you're 25/75 in favour of them coming onto the senior list.

There should be more flexibility to adapt to the circumstances there. This isn't the best example of it, but I suspect they might be kicking themselves if we scoop him up at #65.

TL;DR: it should be a blanket nomination for all drafts, with you getting the rights to rookie pre-select if they go unselected.

 

[Funk]

I don't understand why we would even consider picking Jarman.

He is a mad Crows fan, goes to all home games and his dad played for them.

If he turned out any good?

He would be back to the Crows at first opportunity.

Why waste a pick???????!

 

[ferrisb]

Which is probably why the crows didn't nominate him.

Just daring sides to pick him up, knowing nobody will take the risk and instead they get him for a rookie spot...

Ballsy. Hopefully they've put more thought into it than Gibbs-gate...

 

[KohPhi]

I don't understand why we would even consider picking Jarman.

He is a mad Crows fan, goes to all home games and his dad played for them.

If he turned out any good?

He would be back to the Crows at first opportunity.

Why waste a pick???????!

If he is the best talent at #65 then I say snap him up. If he performs and shows he can play then we can trade him back for a pick in the 30's 2 years later.
The whole landscape of trading/drafting has changed with the advent of future picks,points, academies etc so I can see clubs taking a punt on "strategic" picks with late picks especially..

 

[Funk]

If he is the best talent at #65 then I say snap him up. If he performs and shows he can play then we can trade him back for a pick in the 30's 2 years later.
The whole landscape of trading/drafting has changed with the advent of future picks,points, academies etc so I can see clubs taking a punt on "strategic" picks with late picks especially..

5 year contract - then ask for "2 x first round picks"???

 

[KohPhi]

5 year contract - then ask for "2 x first round picks"???

Sounds like a brilliant plan!!

 

[thylacine60]

All shapes and sizes, the best 30 in the draft

 

[TooBlue14]

All shapes and sizes, the best 30 in the draft

I don't get why EQ has Ainsworth at 6 but rates him going 2-5.

 

[thylacine60]

6 best but possibly not going 6th - dependent on the goings on beforehand.

 

[Chalky Blues]

I don't get why EQ has Ainsworth at 6 but rates him going 2-5.

EQ also has Sam Pepper Powell going as late as pick 21 would be awesome get with our 2nd if that somehow happened