Hot Topic 2016 DRAFT

[ItsAllAboutMe]

The videos of SPS remind me of Michael Voss.. If he has half the work ethic of Vossy then we will be onto a winner.

 

[HARKER]

SPS is much more a Kerr/Burgoyne type more so than an outside flashy Hill type.
Just because he is indigenous, I think a lot of people are thinking this. Very much the opposite.

Let me add - nothing wrong with having an opinion, everyone has one, doesn't make you stupid or racist.

If one has something to say they should be able to say it...........but one should know what they're saying and why and be open to being questioned and maybe even criticized.......but then the critic also has to know what they're saying also and not just side with Political Correctness because they've been told that is how they should think.

I sometimes wonder which is worst?
Having a say that won't be popular and being open to learning from mistakes, or just look up the PC bible and worship without question?

 

[La Dispute]

You see, I don't think all the questions are necessarily coming from a bad place.....and shouldn't always be linked to 'racism' just because we seem to enjoy applying the code of political correctness upon anyone that raises any queries when it comes an indigenous individual.
Ideally we shouldn't even have terms that apply to people of different colour/ethnicity/religion........but we just haven't grown up yet and we're sort of stuck with them for now, at least.

There have been some situations of late that may force some to look at the whole picture again, but ultimately, individuals should be respected for who they are.................individuals. Every case is different and that's what some of us forget..........which we really shouldn't.

SPS has the talent and if SOS and co are comfortable in him becoming the player we see him becoming, we take him. Not much else to think about.

Nah, I'm happy for people to question aspects of his game, but it's those directing attention to his background that are undermining the discussion. I couldn't care less for what is politically correct but making blunt, assumptive and wholly ignorant statements with regards to a players ethnic background is what I take issue with.

 

[La Dispute]

I think there is more to it then that. I am a big fan of him but he has not set the world on fire this season and is also physically just as developed as a player like Brodie who is also 6months younger then him which can mean a lot at their age. He has injury problems and he probably hasn't came on as much as some were hoping so maybe his upside isn't as high as we were thinking 6 months ago so their is legitimate question marks over him. I would still love to have him but.

That's not the part I have a problem with. Query his football credentials, but leave his ethnicity out of it.

 

[The Smoking Gun]

I wonder if there was this much conjecture if SPS was a white dude?

The overt or underlying racism ITT is crazy.

The only person who continuously brings up the issue of racism is you!!! To my knowledge there has not been one person on this board who has suggested that SPS be excluded from being drafted to the Carlton Football Club on the grounds of colour, creed, race, religion or sex.

I can't speak for others here, but I am insulted and offended at being labelled as racist!!! You also made the same accusations when I questioned Pickett's credentials despite making no mention of his colour, creed, race, religion or sex!!! Now knock it off!!!

If you have any concerns that anyone on this board is being racist then take your concerns to the mods and they will act accordingly. Thats what they are there for.

 

[HARKER]

Nah, I'm happy for people to question aspects of his game, but it's those directing attention to his background that are undermining the discussion. I couldn't care less for what is political correct but making blunt, assumptive and wholly ignorant statements with regards to a players ethnic background is what I take issue with.

I may have missed the posts that were genuinely geared in that direction, although one was very close and may have been designed exactly from a racists viewpoint.....but anyway.

You threw out a cover-all statement which isn't particularly fair either.
Take the discussion up with the individuals that offended you. Who knows.....someone may actually learn something.

 

[jj1978]

Make sure you order items 5, 25 and 48 from the menu.

62 and 65 are long shots to be memorable dishes.

You will have to decide on the night whether you have room for any more dishes after that...

And if we bid on Academy player at 5... and get pushed to 6... and other picks gets pushed out.... it's all too confusing.

 

[TheKing101]

I Just want SPS to be that player that makes Richmond, Collingwood and Essendon supporters pray for mercy when they see him run onto the field for us.

 

[La Dispute]

The only person who continuously brings up the issue of racism is you!!! To my knowledge there has not been one person on this board who has suggested that SPS be excluded from being drafted to the Carlton Football Club on the grounds of colour, creed, race, religion or sex.

I can't speak for others here, but I am insulted and offended at being labelled as racist!!! You also made the same accusations when I questioned Pickett's credentials despite making no mention of his colour, creed, race, religion or sex!!! Now knock it off!!!

If you have any concerns that anyone on this board is being racist then take your concerns to the mods and they will act accordingly. Thats what they are there for.

How about check back a few pages to find some good examples.

I haven't once called you a racist.

 

[jj1978]

Only thing with SPS is boys of his background are really close to his family ties and roots. Maybe not his initial 3-4 years in the Big City... but once he gets a bit more mature.. maybe has a partner, starts thinking about kids, the pull home and cultural roots may be important to him. If there is an equivalent rated player who is local available at any of our picks... I'd take the local kid everytime.

 

[La Dispute]

I may have missed the posts that were genuinely geared in that direction, although one was very close and may have been designed exactly from a racists viewpoint.....but anyway.

You threw out a cover-all statement which isn't particularly fair either.
Take the discussion up with the individuals that offended you. Who knows.....someone may actually learn something.

Check back a few pages. Nothing has offended me, I just don't see any constructive reason for calling into question SPS's ethnic background.

 

[TheKing101]

Maybe SPS was just too quick with his disposals.

Im leaning more towards SPS being an inside/outside mid. A lot of his kicks would have been quick kicks out of traffic leading to a poorer disposal efficiency. If he was purely an outside mid i imagine his DE would be a lot higher.

 

[Blue__Balls]

The only person who continuously brings up the issue of racism is you!!! To my knowledge there has not been one person on this board who has suggested that SPS be excluded from being drafted to the Carlton Football Club on the grounds of colour, creed, race, religion or sex.

I can't speak for others here, but I am insulted and offended at being labelled as racist!!! You also made the same accusations when I questioned Pickett's credentials despite making no mention of his colour, creed, race, religion or sex!!! Now knock it off!!!

If you have any concerns that anyone on this board is being racist then take your concerns to the mods and they will act accordingly. Thats what they are there for.

So you've questioned Pickett...and SPS...

Kidding

I think it's perfectly reasonable for people to have doubts about SPS's staying power in Vic given he comes from WA. Regardless of his cultural background, and regardless of what he's said about wanting to play in Melbourne, there's always a chance that family circumstances in particular can change things for a player.

As fans with no access to club files and player interviews, we should be free to share our uncertainty about using our only first round pick this year on an interstate kid. And conversely, if we do draft him, people should feel confident that the club was reasonably satisfied that SPS will go on to be a quality player for Carlton for years to come.

 

[HARKER]

Check back a few pages. Nothing has offended me, I just don't see any constructive reason for calling into question SPS's ethnic background.

Mate, most people aren't racist for being born that way.....they become racist for one or more of several reasons....and all bad reasons.

If we can't bring up ethnicity.....and god, I wish we never had to.....we shouldn't have an Indigenous round.

I know what you're saying and what most of us largely feel that way, but let's not shut down freedom of speech exclusively for political correctness.
It won't work that way.

 

[ferrisb]

And if we bid on Academy player at 5... and get pushed to 6... and other picks gets pushed out.... it's all too confusing.

This one time I ordered Cantonese Steak, but the table next to me got the last one. So I got Mongolian Lamb instead.

Us professionals are prepared for anything and come to the table with contingencies...

 

[bmaurizio]

SPS is much more a Kerr/Burgoyne type more so than an outside flashy Hill type.

Just because he is indigenous, I think a lot of people are thinking this. Very much the opposite.

Let me add - nothing wrong with having an opinion, everyone has one, doesn't make you stupid or racist.

Exactly it's all about exposure and familiarity to SPS, once the young man plays a few games at the whichever club selects him, he'll be cherished .
He'll be a very good football player for a long time and yes one can take that to the bank.

 

[The Smoking Gun]

Mate, most people aren't racist for being born that way.....they become racist for one or more of several reasons....and all bad reasons.

If we can't bring up ethnicity.....and god, I wish we never had to.....we shouldn't have an Indigenous round.

I know what you're saying and what most of us largely feel that way, but let's not shut down freedom of speech exclusively for political correctness.
It won't work that way.

Time for everyone to let it go now and get back to the draft. I've said my piece, I don't hold grudges and nor do I want to see a great contributor over a long period pushed away from the board.

 

[Nori]

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That's not the part I have a problem with. Query his football credentials, but leave his ethnicity out of it.

Agree with all that but character is an important criteria to consider when making a decision to draft. There is nothing wrong with discussing the specific character of the player and the likelihood they will want to return home, or be unable to fore fill their potential.

Personally I think SPS has already shown plenty of resilience by boarding in Perth and expressing his preference for a move to Melbourne. He strikes me as a person who has a point to prove and a desire to make his family and community proud. I hope that he can do this at Carlton.

 

[TerryWallet]

Pretty good footballer that SPS kid.

That Taranto fella goes alright too.

And the Brodie kid knows how to footy a bit too.

 

[thylacine60]

And if we bid on Academy player at 5... and get pushed to 6... and other picks gets pushed out.... it's all too confusing.

Couldn't agree more. Remember when we just bought the players we needed?

 

[Red Bull]

Pretty good footballer that SPS kid.

That Taranto fella goes alright too.

And the Brodie kid knows how to footy a bit too.

Back on topic please TW ...

 

[cashmoneycowboy]

If the choice is between SPS & Brodie I'd have to lean towards Brodie. VIC boy, contested beast, eagerness to be the best possible and seemingly minimal 'bust potential'. Regardless it looks as if we'll be picking up a real talent and I trust Bolts & co to get the best out of the draftee's and the team. Go baggers

 

[Blue__Balls]

Pretty good footballer that SPS kid.

That Taranto fella goes alright too.

And the Brodie kid knows how to footy a bit too.

I'm not prepared to commit to any of them until you provide their star-signs and September horoscope.

 

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I always clear my schedule for the National Draft.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

That's not the part I have a problem with. Query his football credentials, but leave his ethnicity out of it.

I get your sentiment, however with what happened to Yaz fresh in our mind and the significantly higher % of indigenous footballers who seem to hit trouble off field we would be either completely naive or totally incompetent if we did not factor this into our decision making when taking him with such a high pick.