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Jimmae said:
The critical comments so far have been that the top 10 aren't as good as recent times. Certainly last year's top 10 is looking super.
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Ah I didn't know that.
Who said that?
Not critical of you, believe what you are saying, just interested to know more about this.

Surely the top group are still very good though?
Understand there is no 'once in a generation' player like Weiters. At least not yet.
 
Soapy V said:
he's a gun and reckon that francis will be even better. kid has something special you dont see that often. has all the tools. one or two good drafts can make a massive difference to your list. essendon have added some real elite talent and should do again with pick 1
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Yep Parish just has that great sense to know how to find it, and is tough too for a skinny lad.
 
Blue and Silver said:
Don't need another tall forward. Midfielders this year

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Can't be that black and white about this, IMO.
Yes we need Mids, but we also need to balance the list all up, and we do need more talls.
It is how and when and what picks we use to get these players that is of interest.

What if I told you Charlie is expected to be a Mid down the track?
And Jack Silvagni is more a HFF?
That leaves McKay as the only tall forward prospect on the list.

I reckon we need ...

4-5 Mids
1 Key Forward
2 Key Backs
 
1981 said:
Can't be that black and white about this, IMO.
Yes we need Mids, but we also need to balance the list all up, and we do need more talls.
It is how and when and what picks we use to get these players that is of interest.

What if I told you Charlie is expected to be a Mid down the track?
And Jack Silvagni is more a HFF?
That leaves McKay as the only tall forward prospect on the list.

I reckon we need ...

4-5 Mids
1 Key Forward
2 Key Backs
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I agree with this. We can't be banking on Curnow and Silvagni as developing into key position forwards - both are more of a third tall type. This means that whilst midfielders are our most pressing need, we do still need to continue to add key position players. Even our backline is not as great as everyone says. If Weitering, Plowman, or Rowe goes down with injury who comes in? JGM? Can't be relying on a kid who's yet to play a senior game. That's where things start looking a bit weak and where the whole Marchbank decision is justified.

A lot may depend on if we land Prestia/Mitchell and who gets taken before our first pick in the draft. Marshall looks a fantastic prospect to me should it play out as expected with McLuggage/Brodie being off the table.
 

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Blue By Blood said:
I agree with this. We can't be banking on Curnow and Silvagni as developing into key position forwards - both are more of a third tall type. This means that whilst midfielders are our most pressing need, we do still need to continue to add key position players. Even our backline is not as great as everyone says. If Weitering, Plowman, or Rowe goes down with injury who comes in? JGM? Can't be relying on a kid who's yet to play a senior game. That's where things start looking a bit weak and where the whole Marchbank decision is justified.

A lot may depend on if we land Prestia/Mitchell and who gets taken before our first pick in the draft. Marshall looks a fantastic prospect to me should it play out as expected with McLuggage/Brodie being off the table.
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Yes we have about 8 spots to fill, and we will fill them gradually over the next 2-3 years, and hopefully we take the best kid available most of the time and not be forced too much into picking by need.
I concede it is not easy. The midfield needs help pretty badly. But, in saying that, I think modern day footballers are tending to play longer in their careers, and so I think Gibbs and Murphy may play on for a while yet, so it's not as if it will be Cripps on his own from 2017 onwards. And Graham showed a bit last weekend. The midfield in general was good last weekend, I think maybe most of them have gotten over some of their niggles, and Graham stepping up a bit helped too. A team bereft of depth will always have ups and downs when key players get injured and I think we had that a bit this year - Cripps clearly has struggled with the knee, and with Murphy out, then Boek out, things can drop away quite quickly.

I always liked what Pagan said, or was it Malthouse (?), that clubs ought to re-assess as much as possible at the end of the year. Let's see how the year pans out., The midfield might get its numbers back and start to look better late in the year., If so, it might not necessitate taking mids first IF a KPP looms as a better prospect with that first pick. Or second pick. Or third picks. Etc.

They need 1 tall fwd, 1-2 tall backs, and about 3-5 mids. They won't go and get the 3-5 mids first, necessarily.
But how the team performs will play a role in the decision making, surely.
Bec at the end of the day it is a balance between building the list the best way possible, which implies maximising our options (taking bets available), versus picking on need because of major list deficiencies that cannot be ignored.
 
Lots of water under the bridge in trade week before we even consider drafting a KPP.

Carlton actually have quite a tall list, just not a lot of quality. Think of the players that missed on the weekend: Jamison, Gorringe, Jones, Walker, Everitt, Foster, Glass-McCasker, Wood, McKay, Korcheck.

Now maybe only 2 or 3 of those will survive into 2018 but before reaching for Marshall or Battle, sort out a long term strategy first.
 
The more I think about it, the more the mooted GWS4 2 deal makes sense.
I say that in response to Jim I think it was claiming that the experts have said the top ten or so this year is not as strong as last year.
If that is the case, then trading pick 4 (or 5) and a second rounder, for 4 players - of which 3 are very good prospects - is a sensible move.
Also, getting Marchbank AND Tomlinson means we get the extra tall defender and forward we need. It is a very efficient way to build the list, and is consistent with what SOS did last year.
 
Azul said:
Lots of water under the bridge in trade week before we even consider drafting a KPP.

Carlton actually have quite a tall list, just not a lot of quality. Think of the players that missed on the weekend: Jamison, Gorringe, Jones, Walker, Everitt, Foster, Glass-McCasker, Wood, McKay, Korcheck.

Now maybe only 2 or 3 of those will survive into 2018 but before reaching for Marshall or Battle, sort out a long term strategy first.
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Glass-McCasker, McKay & Korchek will survive.
Jamison, Walker, Gorringe & Jones are contracted. We may lose one, may two through retirement, but that's it.
Everitt may get traded but won't be delisted.

That only leaves Foster & Wood as players that will not be on the list next year.

Can see us drafting one tall. That's it.
We will be wanting to trade for a tall or two though and most likely have them all but locked up, already.
 
Azul said:
Lots of water under the bridge in trade week before we even consider drafting a KPP.

Carlton actually have quite a tall list, just not a lot of quality. Think of the players that missed on the weekend: Jamison, Gorringe, Jones, Walker, Everitt, Foster, Glass-McCasker, Wood, McKay, Korcheck.

Now maybe only 2 or 3 of those will survive into 2018 but before reaching for Marshall or Battle, sort out a long term strategy first.
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i have hopes for g-mac gorringe jaksch and have no doubt mckay will be a star. add that to weitering plowman rowe & white. if we get tomlinson & marchbank and maybe stewart surely we are well covered? charlie & silvagni can play as talls when needed. that doesnt include everitt & cabsoult

rucks we have kruezer & phillips and korcheck is developing. maybe get another as a rookie

then its about midfielders that can use the ball and we need a bunch of them . have a few and they can play around the flanks and through the middle. add 5-6 this draft period and we have a very different looking side
 
to all the draft experts. if we have a line up of:

docherty weitering plowman
byrne marchbank simpson

phillips gibbs murphy
boekhurst cripps cuningham

charlie tomlinson kerridge
sumner mckay silvagni

int: gorringe curnow tuohy wright

plus: graham kruezer g-mac jaksch lamb buckley white rowe everitt thomas

not a bad line up but with some potential but lacks depth. i see midfielders with great ball use and maybe a small forward as needs.

assuming 5-6 picks who do we need to draft in 2016 to build on this??
 
Charlie and Silvagni are not KPP.... Yes we need mids, I understand this but usually KPP take longer to develop and mids can often come in and have an impact sooner than their taller peers.

At the moment we have 3 (mabye 4 if you count Jaksh) KPP who are talented enough to be around for our next tilt at a flag and it is known that quality KPP are harder to find and as I said before take longer to develop.

But at this stage of our rebuild we lack talent in almost every position on the field and can't afford to be stubborn in our approach towards drafting a specific type of player. We should just target the best available this year and select who we think will be the best player, not the best mid or forward or back ect.
 

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LemmingMaster said:
Everyone talking about key forwards, this team is top of the ladder with this current forward structure.

HF: Rioli Gunston Puopolo
F: Bruest McEvoy Sicily

HF: , Curnow,
F: SOS, McKay

If anything we're a little short on high pressure small forwards than talls.
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agree. the other things with them is they use the ball so well and are so efficient. its starts with their midfield and run off half back.
 
so we have approximately picks 5, 23, 41 & 59.

how do we hang on to these and add to them? like to see something like 5, 12, 21, 23, 30, 41 & 59. is that asking too much if we trade everitt, touhy, casboult etc? do we look at trading some future picks?
 
Soapy V said:
agree. the other things with them is they use the ball so well and are so efficient. its starts with their midfield and run off half back.
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Just trying to put some perspective into the boards desire for tall forwards.
Adelaide certainly have a tallish forward line, but a mobile marking forward line can also work.

I still think we're lacking a few quality ball users.
 
Soapy V said:
so we have approximately picks 5, 23, 41 & 59.

how do we hang on to these and add to them? like to see something like 5, 12, 21, 23, 30, 41 & 59. is that asking too much if we trade everitt, touhy, casboult etc? do we look at trading some future picks?
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I keep hearing the Touhy trade talks, but I would prefer to keep him.
If Everitt and Casboult have great value then they could be considered, but Casboult I think you would want a pick in the 15-25 to warrant consideration.
 

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LemmingMaster said:
Just trying to put some perspective into the boards desire for tall forwards.
Adelaide certainly have a tallish forward line, but a mobile marking forward line can also work.

I still think we're lacking a few quality ball users.
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Exactly how many are a few? :)

I don't think we're too bad......not great....but far from the worst ball users.
 
HARKER said:
Exactly how many are a few? :)

I don't think we're too bad......not great....but far from the worst ball users.
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i think we are poor with ball use and decision making. especially through the midfield and using the ball going forward. major issue for us. gibbs murphy curnow cripps kerridge make a lot of mistakes especially by foot. not great when our best ball user is an 18 year old key defender.
 
Soapy V said:
this is why i cant see us getting prestia or mitchell or any other such names. just cant see it working and seems to go against what the club is saying
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Agreed

Let's focus as much as possible on the draft or GWS lads

I don't like the idea of trading the farm away

That is OLD Carlton

The GWS4 deal is a no brainer in theory
 
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