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We can always trade back into the first, and our pick will be outside the top 10 next year anyway because we'll be playing finals.
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The forward talent that has him kicking 23.23 before this week.
We already get into Cripps for poor conversion, and crucify Casboult. Do we want another?
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Don't state your opinion as if it's a fact. Even though finals is a possibility it's a slim one at that. We will most likely finish up with 8-10 wins. We're unlikely to magically go on a tear and win the 12-13 games required for finals.
We're also going to have a hard time trading in to a top 10 pick as well given that all recruiters will know the draft is filled with elite talent at the top end. Also, if we can 'always' trade in then we should keep the pick we get and obtain another by trading in, not go giving up our guaranteed pick in the hope that some other club will bite with a top 10 pick.
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May be we get the Swans first rounder in 2017 for Touhy, with us paying some of 2E wage.
Then on trade that pick for Marchbank and a late first this year.
Clubs will also love to get there hands on our future 2nd rounder, which from a points view is close to a first rounder anyways.
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Swap battle for kerr
Pick 4 Anisworth ( Forward/Mid )
Pick 14 Scrimshaw (Half Back/ Mid)
Pick 21 D. Clarke. (Inside Mid)
Battle will not be going in the first round, looking more like late 2nd at this stage.
If we took the players above we would be adding.
Anisworth as the forward/midfielder, he would add goals to our forward line and give us a genuine forward/mid which are pretty rare.
People compare him to Jamie Elliott, I'm seeing more a Devon Smith type player.
Scrimshaw really like this kid, would love to see if he can win some contested footy on the inside as a midfield.
If he can, at 193cm and with the kicking skills his got he would be a great fit for us.
Dylan Clarke would be the next best thing to getting Will Brodie in to support Cripps around the clearances
The kid wins clearances, contested footy, tackles really well, has a nice left boot and some serious running power.
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I'd eat my socks should we get these three guys here.
That may ebb and flow with the pick #4, dependent on who else may be available but loving Scrimshaw and Clarke right now.
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I'm really torn here.
I REALLY like the look of Ainsworth; can lead up and play a miniature key forward, and play like a small forward, and going into the middle, but you can get/develop small forwards all the way through the draft, if you do it right, and what we need right now - depending on your strategy, whether KPF first in case the ones from last year don't come on for whatever reason, or mids first - is either a KPF or two, or a group of mids. Get a player who can rotate through the forward line or kick a goal by all means, but make the midfield their primary role, not their forward play. That's the gloss, which we can draft/trade for later.
I also don't want to get McGrath, at all. Given that all I've seen of him are his highlights - which should be the parts of his game designed to impress - he doesn't dispose of the ball naturally, doesn't look comfortable under pressure, and while he can certainly find the ball he doesn't take it in one go the way the other mids from this particular draft pool seem to; of them, SPS seems the best on gathering the ball, with Brodie looking only mildly less comfortable. Given my two cents worth may be wrong - youtube is hardly the ideal place to watch footy - could anyone tell me if I'm dead wrong with McGrath?
I REALLY like the look of Ainsworth; can lead up and play a miniature key forward, and play like a small forward, and going into the middle, but you can get/develop small forwards all the way through the draft, if you do it right, and what we need right now - depending on your strategy, whether KPF first in case the ones from last year don't come on for whatever reason, or mids first - is either a KPF or two, or a group of mids. Get a player who can rotate through the forward line or kick a goal by all means, but make the midfield their primary role, not their forward play. That's the gloss, which we can draft/trade for later.
I also don't want to get McGrath, at all. Given that all I've seen of him are his highlights - which should be the parts of his game designed to impress - he doesn't dispose of the ball naturally, doesn't look comfortable under pressure, and while he can certainly find the ball he doesn't take it in one go the way the other mids from this particular draft pool seem to; of them, SPS seems the best on gathering the ball, with Brodie looking only mildly less comfortable. Given my two cents worth may be wrong - youtube is hardly the ideal place to watch footy - could anyone tell me if I'm dead wrong with McGrath?
Me too. It was a best semi realistic best case scenario. Will probably get Anisworth at 4, but Scrimshaw is top 10 and Dylan Clarke would sit around pick 14 to pick 18 IMO. Thought the players I picked suited our needs best.
Although Gallucci would give us some more speed around clearances.
Jarrod Berry is starting to get some hype going again. Has had some troubles with injury this year, but looks like his starting to find his bottom age form. Kicked 6 in the last two weeks, but last weekend he did it as a mostly as midfielder.
If he can show he play as that 190cm+ tall midfielder with pace and good kicking skills, he could make a late charge up the draft boards.
Absolutely. Our first next year should be one of the few things that are just off the table.
Our 2nd should be should be explored, hopefully clubs will view our 2nd as a practically a late first anyways.
With next year being touted as having some very good KPP talent there no way we will trade that pick.
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I think with McGrath the thing to look for is if his body is sound, and if it has scope to improve, because he pushed himself to the limit at the Champs and really put himself in areas where others would have long gotten rid of the ball. Instead, he assumed that risk and executed really well under the increased pressure.
Also, check out these stats:
http://www.foxsportspulse.com/team_...99622906&client=1-3020-111708-392810-14528790
Could be the next Marc Murphy.
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First of all, thanks for that website; clarified what I saw with some statistics.
I'm unfamiliar with Murph's career as a junior, but he generally knows exactly where he's going with the ball by foot, and can deliver there with superb accuracy, often nailing a forty-fifty metre pass. McGrath looks like he gets the ball, then looks around to decide what to do with it; there is a disconnect between his desire to get the ball - which he does a lot - and then comes up wondering what to do, often choosing an option - any option - because he ran out of time. That could be due to a lack of game awareness or good coaching, but the other mids in this draft are not like this at all. Brodie has time, and knows generally where his teammates are around him; Venables knows where to put himself, and where the ball needs to go to advantage; SPS uses pace to get free, and is a superb kick; McLuggage is strong, and uses his strength to challenge the tackler to stop him from finding a handball target.
His ball-finding is not in issue; his disposal really is. Unless Bolts/the development group thinks they can turn him around - by placing him within a system which works for him to know where his teammates are - I haven't really changed my mind.
PS: watch me eat my words when someone like Essendon picks him up and he goes on to be a bloody champion.
Yep great stats there Jimmae - summed up here:
Average Kicks across 5 TAC games - 15.6 (78 total)
Average H/Balls - 15.8 (79 total)
Total average disposals - 31.4 (157)
Disposal Efficiency by foot - 70.5%
Disposal Efficiency by hand - 91.1%
Overall Disposal Efficiency - 80.9%
Excellent numbers there
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I think he's worthy of a top 5 discussion, and I think the difference between someone like him and Murphy as a junior is simply time invested in the more professional aspects of their development, and any mitigating factors between the two.
He really did try a lot more stuff at the Champs than the others, save for SPS who had something to prove after resuming from an hammy late in the carnival. Also, there's a 44 disposal and 19 tackle game in there that you've just glossed over.
Probably in the wet, but that's still mental.
Without any serious knowledge of the players there and my minimal viewing/reading of the draft class, at this point I'd say my Top 5 (non-academy) would be:
1. Will Brodie (tall inside leaning mid)
2. Hugh McCluggage (tall inside/outside mid)
3. Sam Petrevski-Seton (classy outside mid)
4. Ben Ainsworth (small mid/forward)
5. Andrew McGrath (small mid/defender)
6. Todd Marshall (tall forward)
1. Will Brodie (tall inside leaning mid)
2. Hugh McCluggage (tall inside/outside mid)
3. Sam Petrevski-Seton (classy outside mid)
4. Ben Ainsworth (small mid/forward)
5. Andrew McGrath (small mid/defender)
6. Todd Marshall (tall forward)
I've seen it mentioned a few times that next years draft is really good. The top 10 are excellent.
Given that, could we see Carlton perhaps keep the first round this year, however try and accumulate picks for next year? So trade our second rounder and ??? for a potential top 10 pick? Try and navigate a way this year that we have 2 or 3 picks in the top 12 or so next season. In doing so we will probably sacrifice a bit in this draft and may end up with just our first (I'm not up for trading our first this season) and a later pick or two.
And if next years top 10 is as good as people say, surely we'd be better off with an extra pick or two then rather than any other picks besides our first this year, no?
Given that, could we see Carlton perhaps keep the first round this year, however try and accumulate picks for next year? So trade our second rounder and ??? for a potential top 10 pick? Try and navigate a way this year that we have 2 or 3 picks in the top 12 or so next season. In doing so we will probably sacrifice a bit in this draft and may end up with just our first (I'm not up for trading our first this season) and a later pick or two.
And if next years top 10 is as good as people say, surely we'd be better off with an extra pick or two then rather than any other picks besides our first this year, no?
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Only problem with that is that we'd be trading out assets this year that we couldn't replace until next year - which means we'd probably need to keep guys on the list that we don't want (Tutt, Foster etc.)
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Its not inconceivable that if SOS doesnt like what he sees with our first pick that he might try to capitalise on a team that is on the slide. North might be the team to look at, we could trade our pick 5 for North Melbourne's 2016 & 2017 first round pick, which they then might use to get Omera or Prestia. We would be downgrading our pick this year by 7 spots and then if North slide as much as i anticipate next year might end up with another top 6 pick from it, effectively giving us a free hit and we still might get the player we are after this year.
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I do like Scrimshaw but thought we do have half backs who are playing well.
Thanks for the thoughts.
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Just thought Battle would be more of a lead up forward although I do like Kerr
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I will be happy being excited again after an ordinary second half of the season.
I think we should actually concentrate on drafting quality and I am not sold on more GWS players.
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Scrimshaw looked more to me than just a HBF'er (so did McGrath for that matter)
Very classy user and he seemed to have time to execute well.
Early days but I wouldn't be surprised should he come into top 10 calculation.
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