Hot Topic 2016 DRAFT

[HBF]

IQ'd both the games. Looking forward to watching them over the weekend.

 

[coryne]

Anyone know why that is?

Is it by choice or he just wasn't deemed good enough?
Is there any reason why a kid would choose to play school footy over u16 for metro?

SOS wants to keep him out of the limelight for as long as possible was the feeling that I have had from articles/discussion on here etc. The kid already has more pressure on him than 99.9999% of kids his age because of his name so SOS will protect him as long as he can.

 

[Monkey King]

How many sons does Mil have because Max is supposedly only about 11 or 12.

Daniel Hanna is the player listed in the squad. Not sure if that's Mil's son or not.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Loved a couple in the second game, Mc Grath moves well, Venables hardness at the ball is inspiring and for next year Hayes looks the goods at 200cm already.

Really warming to Venables because he already has that ferocity at the ball and looks to have a solid frame. Has been compared to Petracca. Write ups class him as a forward that looks a likely inside mid and I saw that in the Allies game. Clean, strong, pace. I likey.

 

[Blue and Silver]

Really warming to Venables because he already has that ferocity at the ball and looks to have a solid frame. Has been compared to Petracca. Write ups class him as a forward that looks a likely inside mid and I saw that in the Allies game. Clean, strong, pace. I likey.

Question marks on effort and consistency from the chatter on the draft boards.

Has great moments, but then falls off. Might be a running pattern issue, or that he doesn't like to push as hard.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Question marks on effort and consistency from the chatter on the draft boards.

Has great moments, but then falls off. Might be a running pattern issue, or that he doesn't like to push as hard.

I haven't spotted the chatter. In the phantoms I have read, he is climbing quickly.

Just did a search. Has some high praise and seems a big moment sort of player. Then others say when he fades in and out, he might be this year's Laverde.

Well, he's already got a decent build so that's a plus and the fact that he rotates between forward and midfield means he is going to be out of the play a bit. Saw someone else say that they went to the Hall of Fame function and Venables was all the rage with clubs.

It will be interesting.

 

[Blue and Silver]

I haven't spotted the chatter. In the phantoms I have read, he is climbing quickly.

Just did a search. Has some high praise and seems a big moment sort of player. Then others say when he fades in and out, he might be this year's Laverde.

Well, he's already got a decent build so that's a plus and the fact that he rotates between forward and midfield means he is going to be out of the play a bit. Saw someone else say that they went to the Hall of Fame function and Venables was all the rage with clubs.

It will be interesting.

Trying to find the comments. I have been floating around the draft watchers since I joined BF (they were the reason), and I feel as though the info/opinion came from a reliable source. But if I can't find it, consider it retracted.

 

[No1Suspect]

Really warming to Venables because he already has that ferocity at the ball and looks to have a solid frame. Has been compared to Petracca. Write ups class him as a forward that looks a likely inside mid and I saw that in the Allies game. Clean, strong, pace. I likey.

Came in here to write exactly that. Venables or Drew for me please.

 

[true blue19]

Stewart isn't a target for us. Taking his contract is potentially a way to get the others cheaper, much like Lamb and Sumner last year. He would also be depth for the rest of his contract. He looked good last year and GWS have an embarrassment of riches.

Jones has a year left on his contract. Jaksch perhaps about to get another run at senior football. McKay needs time. Gorringe isn't a pure forward. Charlie maybe a third tall. Silvagni a third tall. A year or two with Stewart won't hurt us. He will have made it or failed before McKay really hits his straps.

I don't understand how Stewart would be on a big contact, he would be on his 2nd contract after playing 4 games in his first 2 years. It just doesn't scream big signing and big contact. I could see Tomlinson having a big contact our of the GWS 4 but looking at the GWS list and player that might be on big coin and they could afford to lose are palmer, Hoskin- Elliot and Patton (a month ago Scully would be there but he resigned on a lot less coin. Is Stewart out of contact or does he have another year?

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Trying to find the comments. I have been floating around the draft watchers since I joined BF (they were the reason), and I feel as though the info/opinion came from a reliable source. But if I can't find it, consider it retracted.

No need to retract. We all hold on to tidbits here and there. Part of the draft fun.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I don't understand how Stewart would be on a big contact, he would be on his 2nd contract after playing 4 games in his first 2 years. It just doesn't scream big signing and big contact. I could see Tomlinson having a big contact our of the GWS 4 but looking at the GWS list and player that might be on big coin and they could afford to lose are palmer, Hoskin- Elliot and Patton (a month ago Scully would be there but he resigned on a lot less coin. Is Stewart out of contact or does he have another year?

I don't know his contract status. It is believed we took on a couple of contracts last year in the GWS trade which enabled us to get our real targets cheaper. Rumour mill suggests the same this year and Stewart is the most unlikely target of the 4.

 

[Coona Blues]

I don't know his contract status. It is believed we took on a couple of contracts last year in the GWS trade which enabled us to get our real targets cheaper. Rumour mill suggests the same this year and Stewart is the most unlikely target of the 4.

Tomlinson and WHE both have a year to run on decent money.
The other boys are out of contract at season's end.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Tomlinson and WHE both have a year to run on decent money.
The other boys are out of contract at season's end.

So whose contract are we absorbing in order to get the discounted deal? Seems they would be far better dealing Tomlinson and Marchbank as single trades.

Does this mean we are actually chasing Stewart? Are they intending to re-sign him if we don't trade for him?

Lots of questions.

I'm kind of cooling on the 4 player deal of late. Mostly because I am of the opinion, that of the 10 GWS players we trade for if this one goes through, only 3 will be walk up starts in the 22 and a few more thereabouts, but none in the first 8 players or so selected, and none elite. I think we needed incremental improvement in our 22 and have achieved that to an extent already but need to get some possible elite midfield talent.

Whilst the draft may be a lottery this year, I still like the idea of potentially nabbing elite talent so am labouring with indecision here.

Like Venables with our first pick or an elite inside mid with pace. Venables offers pace, scoreboard pressure, versatility, courage, foot skills and can go inside and has a good frame already.

I like the look of Patrick Kerr as well. Such a strong contested mark for a kid floating around the low 190s. Being grandson of a Blues legend helps as well. Not being touted in the top 30 that I can see and maybe being that in between size hurts him. Certainly with Silvagni and Charlie Curnow, I am not sure how we would use him either. Like the romanticism. Could we get him for a third rounder or will his good champs performances put him in second round territory?

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Also like the look of Bunker, who I assume could be a later pick as I haven't seen much on him. Just loves scrapping in the clinches.

 

[HBF]

Sharenberg 25 touches and Graham played well for SA.
MaCluggage 3 goals Brodie 18 touches really good for Country.
All these guys would be very close to AA.

Really liked Scharenbergs game. Good size, and a beast around the stoppages. Could compliment Cripps very well.

 

[mediumsizered]

I like the look of Patrick Kerr as well. Such a strong contested mark for a kid floating around the low 190s. Being grandson of a Blues legend helps as well. Not being touted in the top 30 that I can see and maybe being that in between size hurts him. Certainly with Silvagni and Charlie Curnow, I am not sure how we would use him either. Like the romanticism. Could we get him for a third rounder or will his good champs performances put him in second round territory?

Kerr seems to play taller than both Silvagni & Curnow, which would mean he could potentially play as a KPF in the same forward line as either Silvagni or Curnow. Hopefully though Curnow will become the big bodied midfielder the club is wanting & if Kerr comes on board he could be in a forward line that includes McKay, Silvagni, Jaksch, Sumner & Lamb.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I notice a lot like Gallucci and it is hard not to like his athleticism, him popping up in different parts of the ground and his smooth movement. For someone with good skills, he burned it a bit against the Allies, especially running towards goal but also spotted up some Inside 50 targets. I'm not adverse to something that works hard to get around the ground and also has good speed.

He and Venables seem to have a little bit of mongrel in them too which is vital for us.

Where I am not sure about Gallucci is he is an outside mid from what I have seen. Starts every centre bounce from the edge of the square. Venables is either forward or at the coalface. His will to extract the ball or his ability to lay a crunching tackle have him in front.

Powell-Pepper's disposal issues really seem to be hurting his rating at present. Mind you, Brodie is highly rated and wasn't too accurate either.

I think I want someone that can go inside but not be a Cripps clone. More speed, more outside ability, more versatility but strong in the clinches as part of the rotation would be more complimentary for mine.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

I'm kind of cooling on the 4 player deal of late. Mostly because I am of the opinion, that of the 10 GWS players we trade for if this one goes through, only 3 will be walk up starts in the 22 and a few more thereabouts, but none in the first 8 players or so selected, and none elite. I think we needed incremental improvement in our 22 and have achieved that to an extent already but need to get some possible elite midfield talent.

Whilst the draft may be a lottery this year, I still like the idea of potentially nabbing elite talent so am labouring with indecision here.

Like Venables with our first pick or an elite inside mid with pace. Venables offers pace, scoreboard pressure, versatility, courage, foot skills and can go inside and has a good frame already.

Yes, this is what I was trying to say last week. While the GWS 4 will be a very good get, they won't address our main concern because none of them are potentially elite talent (MAYBE Marchbank). We shouldn't give away our first pick unless in return we get a potentially elite player that addresses our midfield issues. You made a good point saying that Marchbank would complete our backline considering we can't rely on Rowe to be the lockdown defender. But I do think we can get a decent full back with a later pick.

Venables looks to be a great get as well. We have options this year with Brodie, McCluggage, Venables, SPS, SPP, Drew, Gallucci etc.

If we can somehow find a way to obtain another top 10 pick we might be able to grab a couple...

Cripps was totally overwhelmed yesterday he desperately needs support. Brodie could be the answer. Guys like Drew, SPP, Gallucci could be available in the second round too.

This year's draft is filled with what look to be high quality mids, if there's any draft we need to go all out for it's this one imo. Getting that second top 10 pick will not be easy and we will need to give up something good, but if we can manage to do it without hurting the side too much then we will be set.

Our backline is young and already looking the goods, I'm confident that we will find a decent full back with our later picks, we don't need a top 10 dp on a fb considering the quality we have in our backline already. Last year, we went for forwards and in time we will see what they have to offer, unfortunately haven't had much of a chance to play them this year, hopefully now we can.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Kerr seems to play taller than both Silvagni & Curnow, which would mean he could potentially play as a KPF in the same forward line as either Silvagni or Curnow. Hopefully though Curnow will become the big bodied midfielder the club is wanting & if Kerr comes on board he could be in a forward line that includes McKay, Silvagni, Jaksch, Sumner & Lamb.

Curnow is the ace in the hole. Could still be anything, and as it stands gives us options depending on how the draft pans out.

Kerr has been impressive in 2 games I have seen parts of in the champs and still isn't strongly in the conversation. Could be a steal if we want to capture some club history.

 

[HARKER]

Venables just doesn't grab me yet.
Just feel the likes of McCluggage and Sharenberg are the smarter players.

It's possible that we won't be privy to the top end talent, if we do head the GWS path but that's fine if that comes about.

 

[mediumsizered]

Kerr has been impressive in 2 games I have seen parts of in the champs and still isn't strongly in the conversation. Could be a steal if we want to capture some club history.

He played quite well as an under age player in the latter part of last TAC Cup season. I'm surprised he hasn't figured more prominently in draft discussions. Perhaps mostly playing school footy this season has resulted in him being out of sight, out of mind.

 

[bad setanta]

This is a midfielder's draft. The one thing we desperately need above all other requirements is elite midfielder's.
If we go down the GWS route we could consign ourselves to a lot longer than a 66 game rebuild it could be more like 166 games.
We must keep going to the draft.

 

[HARKER]

This is a midfielder's draft. The one thing we desperately need above all other requirements is elite midfielder's.
If we go down the GWS route we could consign ourselves to a lot longer than a 66 game rebuild it could be more like 166 games.
We must keep going to the draft.

I cannot understand this line of thinking at all.
Why would we not trade for someone we felt to have been a #5 in his draft year for what may be a #5 this year?
On what basis do we know this group of players to be better? Because they haven't played AFL yet?

....and it's not just as though we're seeking Marchbank alone. We rated Tomlinson last year....enough to offer up our pick #12.........and then there's a hard inside mid in Steele.
If the logic is that they're not getting games in the GWS side, what guarantees us that this crop of mids would be? Is this our measure?

 

[The Facepainter]

What do people think about Jack Graham, looked terrific on Friday as a high production mid? The blues need players with pace who work as we have too many who float in and out of games.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

This is a midfielder's draft. The one thing we desperately need above all other requirements is elite midfielder's.
If we go down the GWS route we could consign ourselves to a lot longer than a 66 game rebuild it could be more like 166 games.
We must keep going to the draft.

Yeah I'm with you on that one. Getting the GWS4 will no doubt be a good get but here's what I can see happening in the next few years if we do:

- We finish around 10th-9th next year
- We get a pick in the latter stages of the top ten (reducing the chance to get a high quality mid)
- We try and pick mids out of the next couple of drafts that don't have as many on offer as this year
- We end up being mid range for a few years because our current mid crop will be too old and then we bottom out again once they retire

Just watching the game yesterday, there was no moment when I thought "Gee, we could really use Marchbank or Tomlinson here" I was definitely thinking "Damn, Cripps has no support. We need more talented mids". It's the games against the tough sides that reveal what the real weaknesses are.