Hot Topic 2016 DRAFT

[Blue and Silver]

pick 59 is useless.

Well I believe you can still select a player to add to the senior list with that pick. So, no, not useless.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Update - Not good that Knightmares phantom draft has 4 of his 5 picks being academy players -

http://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_/id/15839175/june

He went early on the Academy players with those rankings done after a game or two. Nobody else is as high on these players and certainly the rankings on AFL.com were vastly different.

 

[Coona Blues]

He went early on the Academy players with those rankings done after a game or two. Nobody else is as high on these players and certainly the rankings on AFL.com were vastly different.

Actually FWIW is updating monthly.......the above link has been superceded by a July version in last couple of days.
This old bloke doesn't "do links" but currently
McCluggage
Brodie
Perryman(GWS)
Bowes(GC)
Marshall
Setterfield(GWS)
Venables
Petrevski-Seton
Gallucci
McGrath
Ainsworth
Mutch(GWS)
Scheer(GC)
Battle
Drew
Powell-Pepper
Scharenberg
Scrimshaw
Taranto
Clarke
Graham
English
Macreadie(GWS)
Simpkin
Witherden
Rotham
Allison(Bris)
Bolton
Fisher
Pitman

 

[coryne]

So I was thinking.

Trade pick 5 + 41 + 49 to GC for 21 +22 +29 + 59

We end up with picks 21,22,23,29 + 59 they get 30 more points

It also probably means they can use 4/5 on Bowes, 9 on Scheer and have a pick left over for another first rounder. Maybe trade into next years draft.

If the draft is fairly even out to 30 this gives a lot more bites at the apple.

TERRIBLE IDEA !!!!! You dont trade a top 5 selection for a bunch of 2nd rd picks .....

 

[LordLucifer]

Are you sure you're not trying to LOOK the expert here SHiek ??

Not at all.

If these guys are paid employees of the AFL & Academy, then it is their job to talk all of the players up, they would be derelict in their duties if they didn't.

However, it is quite hard to believe that a draft runs 40-deep with solid players. Every year they get highly speculative once you get into the second round.

 

[HARKER]

This thread just goes to show how invested we have all become, for the future.
Even 5 years ago, there would have been little coverage, conversation or even interest in draftees through the months of June or July.

Look at us now. We watch games, understand points and have our favourites already That's a good thing.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

This thread just goes to show how invested we have all become, for the future.
Even 5 years ago, there would have been little coverage, conversation or even interest in draftees through the months of June or July.

Look at us now. We watch games, understand points and have our favourites already That's a good thing.

Part of that comes from not being contenders and expecting a reasonable draft pick by half way through the season.

 

[LordLucifer]

I was under the impression Marchbank is a potential 200game KPD that would enable Weitering to play as the 3rd tall in the future...

Isn't Weitering taller than Marchbank ??

 

[HARKER]

TERRIBLE IDEA !!!!! You dont trade a top 5 selection for a bunch of 2nd rd picks .....

I don't know. I think it makes for an interesting idea.
Again, it's not until clubs can put names to numbers that it makes sense.

i.e. 2008: Hurley for Ballantyne, Trengove & Beams?
Just have to pick the right year and know that you can get the right players.

 

[HARKER]

Part of that comes from not being contenders and expecting a reasonable draft pick by half way through the season.

Pretty sure that every board would be discussing potential draftees, right now.
Pretty sure that wouldn't have been the case 5 years ago.

 

[bad setanta]

Mutch(GWS)

I thought Mutch could be taken by anyone same as Marshall ? damn

 

[bad setanta]

After trawling through half the games and all the stats, so far coming to the opinion that Bunker- Clarke - Taranto - Worpel - Z.Fisher are better prospects than some of the more highly rated like Venables SPP , and all those guys could be available as second rounders.
We should get a sure fired hit with our first I'd personally go Brodie - Mcluggage - Graham - Mcgrath - Ainsworth in that order, obviously the first two will probably be gone. Our first is going to be too early to take Gallucci now as well, been a big fan but he's been a little underwhelming he's probably going to be in-between our 1st and 2nd now.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Maybe we should be trading in other club's first rounders for 2017 ??

I think that's going to be too difficult. Clubs are apparently well aware of the elite talent at the front end of next year's draft and will not let their first rounders go easily.

In terms of our needs, I'd say it would be more important to try and hit up this year's draft given it's filled with high quality midfielders and that's our glaring weakness.

 

[MileHigh]

He went early on the Academy players with those rankings done after a game or two. Nobody else is as high on these players and certainly the rankings on AFL.com were vastly different.

Having followed knightmare over previous years I know he updates his rankings periodically and the latest I understand was June 30th.

I hope there isn't many (if any) academy selections before us. Pick 3 or 4 should get us another very good player to add to Cripps, Silvagni, McKay, Curnow in that young age bracket that can all come through together. Granted there is no guarantee they all work out but the higher the draft pick the more chance statistically they have of making it. Cunningham may yet be a player too. The reports were very good on his training early.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Pretty sure that every board would be discussing potential draftees, right now.
Pretty sure that wouldn't have been the case 5 years ago.

I'd say the increased TV coverage, the more watchers, the more phantom drafts, the academy bidding system vs trading picks and more traffic on BigFooty as a whole make this fairly likely.

Still doesn't change the fact that drafts and list management is usually discussed more when you are lower down the ladder and have higher picks available to you.

You know me and my OCD though. Let's look at this. Ladder position, List Management/Draft posts for this year roughly, where teams rank as far as draft posts and board rankings (traffic) to provide perspective.





All of the top 11 teams ranked lower than their board ranking for list management/draft posts this year .... except for GWS who obviously are the centre of attention due to academies, pick trading and player trading, and the Dogs who are just freaks. 67000 posts in that thread started late 2013.

The bottom 6 teams however all post above their board ranking. We are only in July so those figures should grow significantly especially as the draft is so open this year. Our seasons are over, what else are we going to talk about?

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

After trawling through half the games and all the stats, so far coming to the opinion that Bunker- Clarke - Taranto - Worpel - Z.Fisher are better prospects than some of the more highly rated like Venables SPP , and all those guys could be available as second rounders.
We should get a sure fired hit with our first I'd personally go Brodie - Mcluggage - Graham - Mcgrath - Ainsworth in that order, obviously the first two will probably be gone. Our first is going to be too early to take Gallucci now as well, been a big fan but he's been a little underwhelming he's probably going to be in-between our 1st and 2nd now.

Don't read too much into stats especially when looking at Venables. He was played forward and had managed game time for much of the championships. I do like Bunker and Taranto but as a second rounder and late first rounder respectively.

Knightmare has his 4th of the non-Academy players now:

http://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_/id/16690432/knightmare-afl-draft-power-rankings-july

7. Daniel Venables (VIC)
Best position: General forward
Height, weight: 186cm, 81kg
Recruited from: Western Jets
Plays like: Jack Crisp
Projected draft range: first round
Rated last month: 9
Rationale behind ranking/change of ranking: Consolidating high rating showing a diverse range of AFL-quality attributes with hardness at the ball and tackling standing out.
Strengths:
- Hard tackling
- Contested-ball winning ability
- Explosive pace and breakaway speed from stoppages
- Scoreboard impact
- Finishing ability on the move
- Excellent both forward and through the midfield
- Damaging ball user by hand and foot
- Strong mark overhead
Weaknesses:
- Can spend some time through the midfield and have an impact without looking like a full-time midfielder
- Work rate
- Lack of exposed form due to injuries

 

[BluStreak]

pick 59 is useless.

I disagree Azul, we could use it to upgrade C. Byrne from the rookie list.

 

[mediumsizered]

because no one has ever been traded who didn't want to be.

Not those who are contracted. Contracted players must agree to any trade. Gibbs is going nowhere.

 

[Bluey24]

So I was thinking.

Trade pick 5 + 41 + 49 to GC for 21 +22 +29 + 59

We end up with picks 21,22,23,29 + 59 they get 30 more points

It also probably means they can use 4/5 on Bowes, 9 on Scheer and have a pick left over for another first rounder. Maybe trade into next years draft.

If the draft is fairly even out to 30 this gives a lot more bites at the apple.

Yuk

 

[1981]

Not at all.

If these guys are paid employees of the AFL & Academy, then it is their job to talk all of the players up, they would be derelict in their duties if they didn't.

However, it is quite hard to believe that a draft runs 40-deep with solid players. Every year they get highly speculative once you get into the second round.

Just about every player has a drawback. Weitering is arguably the only player in last year's pool who was seen as the complete package. Maybe throw in Shache.

I think it is important when dealing with 17/18 year old men, to try and be more positive than negative. People try to do this generally in life, right?

But everyone involved in drafting, be it the Sheehans or the Silvagnis, are aware of X players' deficiencies.

But that doesn't mean there aren't 20 or 30 or 40 good prospects in any given year. It is subjective, in so far as here are 40 kids who we think are pretty darn good prospects (and they are clearly different to the other 60 odd). Yes, most of them have some drawbacks, some we think can be overcome with teaching and hard work etc, but maybe some such as a lack of pace the club will just have to live with, but the kid has various other strengths which make him a good prospect.

If 40 is the number this year, then to give your club the best shot you want as many picks as possible in that range. Nothing is certain in drafting. But you give yourself the best chance by placing your club in the range where the best group of kids are.

 

[Soapy V]

Not those who are contracted. Contracted players must agree to any trade. Gibbs is going nowhere.

why such a definite no? do you know him or spoken with him? like i said its unlikely but it could happen. if a top 4 club came to him with a good offer and good picks for us and we say we are happy to trade him if he wants he may well consider going for the chance of a premiership instead of another 3-4 years of rebuild. people, especially in football, say things and change them all the time. you just never know

 

[HBF]

Liking the look of Gallucci. Quick, good skills and is a genuine mid. Pick 5-6 will probably be a bit of a reach for him, but he is the sort of player we need.

 

[Soapy V]

Liking the look of Gallucci. Quick, good skills and is a genuine mid. Pick 5-6 will probably be a bit of a reach for him, but he is the sort of player we need.

never seen him but based on above. sold!

 

[HalAlaric]

We're taking SPS with our first.

close thread

 

[HBF]

never seen him but based on above. sold!

The interesting thing with this draft is how clubs rate non academy kids past the first few. Brodie, McCluggage and SPS would have to be top 3 IMO, but you could throw a blanket over the next 10 or so. Even Ainsworth will divide clubs opinions IMO.