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TheSheik said:
Ainsworth is a small forward, not a mid plus he is really small, Matty Wright size 179cm.

We aren't going to use #4 or #5 on a player of that ilk when we have more pressing needs to attend to.
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Rioli - 177cm
Puopolo - 173cm
Walters - 177cm
Betts - 173cm

Now i do realise most of the guys above were taken late in the draft, but they have become stars of the competition.

If Ben Ainsworth could give us this kind of output from his second year onwards we should be rapt...we certainly need players who know how to find the goals.
 
TheSheik said:
Do we need mosquitoes right now when the trend is for big-bodied mids ??
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How many midfields contain multiple big bodied mids?
 

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Farktherest said:
Rioli - 177cm
Puopolo - 173cm
Walters - 177cm
Betts - 173cm

Now i do realise most of the guys above were taken late in the draft, but they have become stars of the competition.

If Ben Ainsworth could give us this kind of output from his second year onwards we should be rapt...we certainly need players who know how to find the goals.
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We do have a pressing need for a good small forward but IMO, big-bodied mids and genuine key position players have to be the priority first.
 
TheSheik said:
Why bid on Bowes & Setterfield unless it is purely tactical ??
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TheSheik said:
Do you really think their academy clubs are going to let them slide to us ??
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The Academy clubs wouldn't have a choice about where the bids come, but they are allowed to respond.

Rule of thumb is call the kids where you think they should go. Both those players are highly regarded
 
TheSheik said:
Ben Ainsworth
Height: 177cm, Weight: 73kg, DOB: 10/2/1998
Recruited From: Gippsland Power
Position: Small Forward

He'd be the lightest at our club by 2kgs.
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Nearly every draftee is 5 to 10 kilos under his final weight. The muscle he'll put on in an afl system will jump that weight up a fair bit...
 
TheSheik said:
Do you really think their academy clubs are going to let them slide to us ??
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Not the point, really. You draft/bid on the player that's most suitable to your needs, thus assuring the draft remains as even as possible under the current system. It's not "tactical", it's common sense. Bidding on a player that you don't really want at that pick, yet knowing that the appropriate club would match it regardless, would be tactical.
 
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It's a three year rebuild. Doesn't matter when you get the players. If we can get a gun small forward then maybe you take him if he's the best available. Always best available in first round. Only when you're a top club can you pick and chose so to speak.
 
1981 said:
It's a three year rebuild. Doesn't matter when you get the players. If we can get a gun small forward then maybe you take him if he's the best available. Always best available in first round. Only when you're a top club can you pick and chose so to speak.
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I disagree...there should always be an element of 'needs' basis, even for a bottom club.

Eg Brisbane Lions had Matthew Leunberger as their main ruck, yet still took Billy Longer at pick #8 a few years ago...but they couldnt play in the same side and so Longer languished in the 2's and eventually left to St Kilda for more opportunities (although he's now stuck behind Hickey).

From a Carlton perspective, it doesnt seem to be the case this year but imagine the best player at our first pick was ANOTHER key defender...should we take him or the next best player who, for example, was an inside mid?? You'd want us to take the midfielder every day of the week.
 

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I'll have plenty of time to look back and realise how wrong I was, but I wouldn't want either Venables or Ainsworth with our first.

Just don't think Venables reads the ball all that well and may get lost around the ground too easily.
Ainsworth is strong but I'd back plenty of HBF'ers to take him out. Not convinced he'd make a mid.
 
Farktherest said:
I disagree...there should always be an element of 'needs' basis, even for a bottom club.

Eg Brisbane Lions had Matthew Leunberger as their main ruck, yet still took Billy Longer at pick #8 a few years ago...but they couldnt play in the same side and so Longer languished in the 2's and eventually left to St Kilda for more opportunities (although he's now stuck behind Hickey).

From a Carlton perspective, it doesnt seem to be the case this year but imagine the best player at our first pick was ANOTHER key defender...should we take him or the next best player who, for example, was an inside mid?? You'd want us to take the midfielder every day of the week.
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Not necessarily, Weitering looks like he can play as a KPF and it would depend just how highly rated the key defender was in comparison to the midfielder.

In my opinion there is no such thing as too much of a good thing, although ruckmen might be the exception. Part of what has stuffed up our list in the past was our arrogance in not even considering certain players just because we thought we had that position covered for the following year. It also made us over compensate when we noticed that this tactic wasn't always working, hence the ruckmen debacle and the subsequent KPP only draft of 2010.

In my opinion, the key is thinking more universally rather than taking a cookie-cutter approach simply because a position has opened up in the side. What were Western Bulldogs thinking when they drafted Bontempelli and Jake Stringer, that they really needed a midfielder and a KPF, respectively? I doubt it, they just took them because they thought they'd become good players.
 
Golden Tonsils said:
Who do you like Harks?
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Limited viewing to date and I like the TAC finals to get one final feel for some of the guys but it's hard to go by some of the favourites:

Tier one: Brodie, Petrevski-Seton, McCluggage
Tier two: Scrimshaw, Clarke, Gallucci, McGrath, Bolton
Players that just don't grab me: Battle, Strandica (?)
Player I'm just unsure of because of what I've heard and not of what I saw: Powell-Pepper.

I liked Ainsworth & the prospect of Venables but just not at our first and I won't comment on players I haven't seen live.
 

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Absolutely disagree Harks (caveat: I know nothing).

With our first I think Ainsworth should be first priority, followed extremely closely by Brodie. I like Venables, but he seems not to be as clean as Danger, so I would think he is a bit more of a project player - very handy if we can get a pick around 15ish.

SPS floats in and out too much for mine, although if we think he will be consistent and hard enough, then absolutely go for him. Suitcase I think will be very good, but not a game breaker. Must get a consistent, committed player with skills. That's Ainsworth all over for mine.
 
I would have thought that Caleb Daniel would have gone a long way to dispelling the myth that small midfielders will struggle.
Height 168 cm
Weight 68 kg
His skill and composure is already critical to the dogs midfield. A very similar role to Sam Mitchell. That is was I think Ainsworth may be able to do for us. Skill and composure is a skill set we are in desperate need of, and could be considered one of our top needs. We can't overlook him simply because he's short. Mitchell (179cm) and Daniel are a perfect example of that.

Also, when talking about weight you must remember how much shorter he is. 77 kgs on a guy who is only 177cm might look small on paper, but it is a very solid size. That's all Ainsworth would need to get too. An example would be Puopolo, he's only 76 kgs, yet I'd say pound for pound he is possibly the most physically explosive player in the competition. There's a reason not many are able to break his tackles, and is so hard to tackle himself. Another would be Brent Harvey. 177 cm and 75 kgs. So 177cm and 73kg for Ainsworth isn't far off what he will be long term. Could almost get there in 1 pre-season. But I'll give him two, because I'm a generous guy ;)
 
I would really like Bradley with our second last pick using our final to upgrade Byrne.
Liked hos improved work rate this year and although small could prove to be a classy mid over time.
In terms of the top end of the draft I am holding onto the hope that we can somehow grab 1 more pick in the top 10 somehow and nab 2 prospective gun mids.
 
Farktherest said:
I disagree...there should always be an element of 'needs' basis, even for a bottom club.

Eg Brisbane Lions had Matthew Leunberger as their main ruck, yet still took Billy Longer at pick #8 a few years ago...but they couldnt play in the same side and so Longer languished in the 2's and eventually left to St Kilda for more opportunities (although he's now stuck behind Hickey).

From a Carlton perspective, it doesnt seem to be the case this year but imagine the best player at our first pick was ANOTHER key defender...should we take him or the next best player who, for example, was an inside mid?? You'd want us to take the midfielder every day of the week.
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Um not that simple.
Depends how good they are.
And we need a key defender too.
Bolts said this week he sees JW as a swing man, which to me means we need another key defender. Outside of JW there's only LP and JGM if we are talking of young defenders. I am not sold in Foster.
I have known a few scouts over the journey and they all say in the first round as long as it is a strong draft you tend to go best available.
 
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