Hot Topic 2016 DRAFT

[FlowersByIrene]

Can we trade into the top 2? **** Essendon, maybe any trade with Casboult to Brisbane could also include upgrading our pick #4 or #5 to pick #2.

Out: Pick #4, Casboult, 3rd Round
In: Pick #2, Brisbane 2nd Round (or less)

Something like that?

Would get us a guarenteed bite at either McLuggage or Brodie

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Ainsworth looks like he has good upper body definition but a guy of his height will really need that to survive.

Strong overhead and seems to know where the goals are but he badly sprayed the first two shots, one of them was a set from 20m out and he nearly missed the lot, there is an issue there that will need some urgent attention.

I really am struggling to get excited by this chap, there are players of his ilk every year in the draft so it's not like he is a one-off.

Concerns me he seems to try and take his marks on his chest, his disposal and decision making looks a worry as well.

 

[HARKER]

Put it this way, if we take a midfielder with #5, do you expect him to play RD 1. next year ??

I can't see him being ready for a while, in fact I am struggling to see anyone in the draft thus far who is AFL ready for next year which is a real shame.

Brodie looks ready to me and then there's McLuggage, Taranto, McGrath, Ainsworth, Powell-Pepper and maybe Clarke, Graham.......

It doesn't matter whether they're ready round 1 or not. That's not the way you'd want to draft.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Can we trade into the top 2? **** Essendon, maybe any trade with Casboult to Brisbane could also include upgrading our pick #4 or #5 to pick #2.

Out: Pick #4, Casboult, 3rd Round
In: Pick #2, Brisbane 2nd Round (or less)

Something like that?

Would get us a guarenteed bite at either McLuggage or Brodie

Pick 4 and Casboult for pick 2 would be fair.

SPS, Mclaggage Venables and Brodie are the only players that I would get excited about us picking. I would also be happy with Ainsworth and Marshall though.

 

[HARKER]

Lennon was a relatively slow half forward good skill that didn't really go through the midfield. Never wanted when there was a lot of talk about us picking him up. Definitely not the type to select with a first rounder. Plenty better prospects after him. Also the options at pick 5 are different to what is available at pick 12

But he was touted as becoming a mid-fielder.
So many players started forward or back and were going to become mids..........and only so few have.

My viewing leads me to feel that McGrath actually can. Ainsworth........not so much.

 

[Soapy V]

But he was touted as becoming a mid-fielder.
So many players started forward or back and were going to become mids..........and only so few have.

we hear that all the time. its like once you get to an afl club you will magically develop a great engine. its not the case. some people can run all day and some people cant no matter how hard they may try.if they aren't already showing some sort of running ability at 17-18 i wouldn't be considering them too much for a midfield role

 

[Broadside]

we hear that all the time. its like once you get to an afl club you will magically develop a great engine.

makes Charlie Curnow a very exciting prospect, came third in the time trial (Ed won it). He is already an elite endurance runner. With the size and skills to do serious damage.

 

[HARKER]

we hear that all the time. its like once you get to an afl club you will magically develop a great engine. its not the case. some people can run all day and some people cant no matter how hard they may try.if they aren't already showing some sort of running ability at 17-18 i wouldn't be considering them too much for a midfield role

I liked the notion of DVR before the draft but having watched him, you can't but ask; Where is this tank that was going to allow him to be a mid?

 

[Soapy V]

I liked the notion of DVR before the draft but having watched him, you can't but ask; Where is this tank that was going to allow him to be a mid?

i never saw him so dont know but a few very keen carlton supporters i sit with at games, are keen watchers of under 18s, were hugely critical of picking him when we did. comments were he cant run enough for long enough to be an afl footballer and simply doesnt find the ball anywhere near enough. thought at best he was a rookie.

 

[Soapy V]

I liked the notion of DVR before the draft but having watched him, you can't but ask; Where is this tank that was going to allow him to be a mid?

i watched him in the pre season and they had him doing running laps with gibbs, curnow etc. he was giving his best and really trying but wasnt even close. within even 1-2 laps he was dropping off quickly and usually finished way behind on his own. pity because with the ball he looks very good.

 

[Azul]

we hear that all the time. its like once you get to an afl club you will magically develop a great engine. its not the case. some people can run all day and some people cant no matter how hard they may try.if they aren't already showing some sort of running ability at 17-18 i wouldn't be considering them too much for a midfield role

Well that was my original point. Ainsworth looks like a talent but if we're after a midfielder, elsewhere is probably safer.
Though if he turned into an elite forward like Eddie Betts few would complain

 

[No1Suspect]

Everyone talking about key forwards, this team is top of the ladder with this current forward structure.

HF: Rioli Gunston Puopolo
F: Bruest McEvoy Sicily

HF: , Curnow,
F: SOS, McKay

If anything we're a little short on high pressure small forwards than talls.

Amen.

To add to this I'd much rather have a 192-193 cm forward in the Jack Reiwoldt mold. Good leap quick off the mark etc.

Would love a specialist forward with Sumners speed

 

[ParapMarkets]

we hear that all the time. its like once you get to an afl club you will magically develop a great engine. its not the case. some people can run all day and some people cant no matter how hard they may try.if they aren't already showing some sort of running ability at 17-18 i wouldn't be considering them too much for a midfield role

I agree with what you are saying but so many of the best mids in the game were recruited whilst playing forward or back, whilst most of the "safer" midfield players taken before them in the draft didn't do much; players like Fyfe, Dangerfield, Heppell (even Mundy who was a full back). Obviously a lot of work needs to be undertaken by the recruiters to determine if they will have the capabilities in the future to make the transition into the midfield, but I am tentatively not against selecting a junior playing forward or back that the club hope will become a permanent midfielder.

 

[Soapy V]

Well that was my original point. Ainsworth looks like a talent but if we're after a midfielder, elsewhere is probably safer.
Though if he turned into an elite forward like Eddie Betts few would complain

for pick 4 i would

 

[Soapy V]

I agree with what you are saying but so many of the best mids in the game were recruited whilst playing forward or back, whilst most of the "safer" midfield players taken before them in the draft didn't do much; players like Fyfe, Dangerfield, Heppell (even Mundy who was a full back). Obviously a lot of work needs to be undertaken by the recruiters to determine if they will have the capabilities in the future to make the transition into the midfield, but I am tentatively not against selecting a junior playing forward or back that the club hope will become a permanent midfielder.

agree but guys like rainbow & smith apparently had very poor endurance and running capabilities. you need some sort of base. smith at 60 was speculative but to pick rainbow at 28 with those question marks over him was very strange

 

[Soapy V]

makes Charlie Curnow a very exciting prospect, came third in the time trial (Ed won it). He is already an elite endurance runner. With the size and skills to do serious damage.

when you here things like that it really makes you believe he can be a star midfielder which would be great. charlie & cripps leading our midfield for the next decade is something to be excited about

 

[Azul]

for pick 4 i would

Fussy!
Well on the way to 300 games is a good effort regardless of position.

 

[LordLucifer]

Can we trade into the top 2? **** Essendon, maybe any trade with Casboult to Brisbane could also include upgrading our pick #4 or #5 to pick #2.

Out: Pick #4, Casboult, 3rd Round
In: Pick #2, Brisbane 2nd Round (or less)

Something like that?

Would get us a guarenteed bite at either McLuggage or Brodie

We aren't trading our first rounder !!!

 

[FlowersByIrene]

We aren't trading our first rounder !!!

For a better first rounder?

 

[Azul]

Amen.

To add to this I'd much rather have a 192-193 cm forward in the Jack Reiwoldt mold. Good leap quick off the mark etc.

Would love a specialist forward with Sumners speed

193 forward - Josh battleshield?

 

[Soapy V]

Fussy!
Well on the way to 300 games is a good effort regardless of position.

i know but we needs mids and lots of them. mids can also go forward. i bet if murphy played small forward he would be as good as any other going around

 

[Azul]

i know but we needs mids and lots of them. mids can also go forward. i bet if murphy played small forward he would be as good as any other going around

Agree on the first bit but not sure Murphy has the nous to be a 60 goal a year forward.
But if sos rates ainsworth the best talent I won't be disappointed if he has the work ethic lacking in troy or yazz

 

[PumpyChowdown]

To add to this I'd much rather have a 192-193 cm forward in the Jack Reiwoldt mold. Good leap quick off the mark etc.

J. Silvagni.

Ainsworth is the most interesting player in the draft IMO. Due to his size and position, a lot of people are put off by him, and I can understand why. But he's proven to be an explosive, highly influential player, and for a kid, build like a brick shithouse. He could end up being so-so, but he also could easily become the best player of the draft, and people will look back wondering why he wasn't taken earlier. Classic high risk high reward. Reminds me a lot of how Jake Stringer was viewed before he got drafted. Proven skills, coming off a huge injury and that "tweener" size. Heaps of people were put off by the latter two, overlooking his obvious talent. I feel that the same thing is happening with Ainsworth. Hugely gifted, but people getting hung up on height and position. He's certainly a natural forward (and hell, we NEED someone exactly like him), but he'll inevitably end up in the middle or at least pushing very high up off half forward. Very reminiscent of Paul Chapman. Oh, and a certain Leigh Matthews was a chunky forward pocket who topped out at 178cm. Ainsworth is 179cm.

 

[Soapy V]

Agree on the first bit but not sure Murphy has the nous to be a 60 goal a year forward.
But if sos rates ainsworth the best talent I won't be disappointed if he has the work ethic lacking in troy or yazz

agree about sos. i reckon people under rate murphy as a small forward. saw him play there a few times under malthouse and did very well. knows where the goals are. looked a natural

 

[ferrisb]

Draft Rule - would Hawks take him?

We tried recruiting Graham Wright once....