Hot Topic 2016 DRAFT

[Matty411]

If it's a call on Brodie or SPS, it's a no-brainer for me. If Brodie wants to stay in VIC, let's take advantage of that and lock in a loyal, 200 gamer. I don't like the term 'safe' selection, but I think he is the safest pick to become an A grader at the top end.

SPS may be okay to travel, but being a WA there may be the smallest chance he may want to return. In saying this, if Brodie is gone then go for it.

At this point, I'm leaning towards something like:

1. Clugga
2. Brodie
3. Ainsworth
4. McGrath
5. SPS

 

[TheLeftFooters]

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If it's a call on Brodie or SPS, it's a no-brainer for me. If Brodie wants to stay in VIC, let's take advantage of that and lock in a loyal, 200 gamer. I don't like the term 'safe' selection, but I think he is the safest pick to become an A grader at the top end.

SPS may be okay to travel, but being a WA there may be the smallest chance he may want to return. In saying this, if Brodie is gone then go for it.

At this point, I'm leaning towards something like:

1. Clugga
2. Brodie
3. Ainsworth
4. McGrath
5. SPS

Is that your order of preference or how you think the draft will go?

 

[bluelad]

Brodie
Scrimshaw
???

 

[Blue__Balls]

I did see this. This would only happen if Brisbane bid on bowes and if Richmond dont trade pick 6 to GCS.
Bowes would be worth 2,013 points.
Which would mean GCS could use,
- Pick 4 - 2,034 points
- Pick 8 and 27 - 2,254 points
- Pick 21, 22 and 40 - 2,152 points
(If they get pick 6)
- Pick 6 and 40 - 2,180 points

But because they have a few Academy players in the draft, i hope the use pick 4 on bowes allowing Carlton to get Brodie at pick 5.

They don't get to choose how to spread the points.

If they have Pick 4, and a bid comes in before that, then they either use Pick 4 or miss out on Bowes.

It will all hinge on whether Essendon/Brisbane/Freo make a bid to keep GC honest, which will probably come down to whether GC can find a way to sweet-talk them into not making a bid.

 

[TheLeftFooters]

They don't get to choose how to spread the points.

If they have Pick 4, and a bid comes in before that, then they either use Pick 4 or miss out on Bowes.

It will all hinge on whether Essendon/Brisbane/Freo make a bid to keep GC honest, which will probably come down to whether GC can find a way to sweet-talk them into not making a bid.

Oh really? Thats much better. I just thought they needed to have the points.
Well apparently Brisbane are pretty hot on Bowes, so i think they will make a bid for him at #2. From all reports GCS wont let Bowes get away. So fingers crossed we can get Brodie and if we trade Touhy, hopefully we can pinch pick 11 from north and get Scrimshaw.

 

[Matty411]

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Is that your order of preference or how you think the draft will go?

What I'd like.

 

[Blue__Balls]

Oh really? Thats much better. I just thought they needed to have the points.
Well apparently Brisbane are pretty hot on Bowes, so i think they will make a bid for him at #2. From all reports GCS wont let Bowes get away. So fingers crossed we can get Brodie and if we trade Touhy, hopefully we can pinch pick 11 from north and get Scrimshaw.

Yeah, you're not far off. They need the points, but they have to pay them off using their picks in sequence. If their next available pick isn't enough, the leftover points come off their following pick, and so on and so forth.

Brisbane may hope (or agree behind closed doors) that by not bidding on Bowes, GC will return the favour in coming years and not bid on their academy kids. That being said, I reckon Freo bid on Bowes if Brisbane don't - they don't have any real reason not to.

 

[Sector 7G]

English is still a risk at such a high pick given he has no experience outside of the ruck role.

Also the average WAFL ruck (at all levels) is about 197 cms, so it's really a question of is his craft good enough despite concerns over his leap. Say what you want about Kreuzer but he will graft goals from midfield and can definitely ruck regardless of reach advantage. English seems to struggle, but his mobility and skills are exciting outside of his stoppage duties.

On balance you'd still be happy to have him as a ruck, but with more effective midfielders on the board it doesn't make sense unless you're confident of turning him into a consistent lead-up target when you have the football.

Agreed. He should have been draftable last season so is a 19yr old. His ruckwork despite being a year older than his opponents was only ok.

Doesn't play tall and I would avoid the Josh Fraser, Tyrone vickery types.

 

[TheLeftFooters]

Yeah, you're not far off. They need the points, but they have to pay them off using their picks in sequence. If their next available pick isn't enough, the leftover points come off their following pick, and so on and so forth.

Brisbane may hope (or agree behind closed doors) that by not bidding on Bowes, GC will return the favour in coming years and not bid on their academy kids. That being said, I reckon Freo bid on Bowes if Brisbane don't - they don't have any real reason not to.

That makes sense. Thanks for clearing that up
Hopefully someone bids on him. Would be a crime if they got bowes with pick 8!

 

[HARKER]

English is still a risk at such a high pick given he has no experience outside of the ruck role.

Also the average WAFL ruck (at all levels) is about 197 cms, so it's really a question of is his craft good enough despite concerns over his leap. Say what you want about Kreuzer but he will graft goals from midfield and can definitely ruck regardless of reach advantage. English seems to struggle, but his mobility and skills are exciting outside of his stoppage duties.

On balance you'd still be happy to have him as a ruck, but with more effective midfielders on the board it doesn't make sense unless you're confident of turning him into a consistent lead-up target when you have the football.

Which may well be true but it's possible that Fremantle will have only one real good pick in the ND this year as Hill may cost them their 2nd with something later coming back to them from Hawthorn.

SPS may well be in front on talent but maybe (maybe) not so much on need as they will have both Hills now along with Harley Bennell for the outside speed and run. May not work that way but it is possible.

I can't see where else they may be able to get a pick to grab him with unless they sell next years first.......and they just won't do that.

 

[Matty411]

Which may well be true but it's possible that Fremantle will have only one real good pick in the ND this year as Hill may cost them their 2nd with something later coming back to them from Hawthorn.

SPS may well be in front on talent but maybe (maybe) not so much on need as they will have both Hills now along with Harley Bennell for the outside speed and run. May not work that way but it is possible.

I can't see where else they may be able to get a pick to grab him with unless they sell next years first.......and they just won't do that.

Agree - on face value you'd say they should take SPS in a heartbeat, but by all reports English is unique in the draft and could be a long-term player for them in the ruck ala Sandilands or Cox at Weagles.

 

[Jimmae]

There's mention of him playing as an on baller prior to a Paddy Cripps-esque growth spurt which will appeal seeing as rucks with midfield/roving capabilities are all the rage.

Agreed. He should have been draftable last season so is a 19yr old. His ruckwork despite being a year older than his opponents was only ok.

Doesn't play tall and I would avoid the Josh Fraser, Tyrone vickery types.

Only started playing Colts this year, so was he playing at a lower level?

I think Matty is closer to the mark about his abilities here, but I'm not sure that kind of ruck is in vogue as a type. The trick here is not to pick types, but to see them for all their strengths and weaknesses and how they fit into what you're trying to do.

When you're struggling to choose, then look at the type casting.

Which may well be true but it's possible that Fremantle will have only one real good pick in the ND this year as Hill may cost them their 2nd with something later coming back to them from Hawthorn.

SPS may well be in front on talent but maybe (maybe) not so much on need as they will have both Hills now along with Harley Bennell for the outside speed and run. May not work that way but it is possible.

I can't see where else they may be able to get a pick to grab him with unless they sell next years first.......and they just won't do that.

They traded their 2016 2nd rounder last year.

 

[HARKER]

They traded their 2016 2nd rounder last year.

Fremantle? Yes, they did, didn't they?
I don't like where they're positioned right now. Could get a lot worse for them before it gets better.

Can still see them reaching for English over SPS. In fact it looks more likely although.....they's probably be wiser to trade their first for 2 later firsts, if they can get in first.

 

[Jimmae]

Fremantle? Yes, they did, didn't they?
I don't like where they're positioned right now. Could get a lot worse for them before it gets better.

Can still see them reaching for English over SPS. In fact it looks more likely although.....they's probably be wiser to trade their first for 2 later firsts, if they can get in first.

Yeah I suspect they'll be looking at that with Gold Coast.

 

[Matty411]

Smart move for Freo would be to do just that - pick 3 for say 8 and 21.

English will still be there at 8 I dare say. Would worry me as Suns could then have 3, 4 and 6 (Richmond).

 

[HARKER]

Yeah I suspect they'll be looking at that with Gold Coast.

Lots will as they will with GWS, but 10 into 2 doesn't go.

If Brisbane somehow gets dealt an Ace from Gil, they'd most likely want to trade on of their first for a couple a little later on.

 

[The Grover]

Smart move for Freo would be to do just that - pick 3 for say 8 and 21.

English will still be there at 8 I dare say. Would worry me as Suns could then have 3, 4 and 6 (Richmond).

So if this happened we'll be screwed getting Brodie.

Even if Brisbane bid for Bowes, GC can get Brodie with Pick 4

 

[TooBlue14]

What do we think about upgrading pick 5 to pick 3 freos with a swap plus a trade for Zac Clarke. Suggestion below:

Freos lose: pick 3 and Clarke
Carlton lose: pick 5 and a later pick possibly our third or wbs third

This could allow us to guarantee we get Brodie or McGrath

 

[Blueboys7]

What do we think about upgrading pick 5 to pick 3 freos with a swap plus a trade for Zac Clarke. Suggestion below:

Freos lose: pick 3 and Clarke
Carlton lose: pick 5 and a later pick possibly our third or wbs third

This could allow us to guarantee we get Brodie or McGrath

It's probably not worth it when at least one of McCluggage, Brodie, Ainsworth, McGrath or SPS will be available at our selection. All worthy of our pick. I'd be happy with any tbh.

 

[Sector 7G]

What do we think about upgrading pick 5 to pick 3 freos with a swap plus a trade for Zac Clarke. Suggestion below:

Freos lose: pick 3 and Clarke
Carlton lose: pick 5 and a later pick possibly our third or wbs third

This could allow us to guarantee we get Brodie or McGrath

I would need to upgrade our Pick 5 to 3 to be interested in Clarke. NO other picks would be involved

 

[Dramoth]

Brodie
Scrimshaw
???

Kerr

 

[La Dispute]

Crazy how this term has come to be used in this context

"Carlton authorities have refused the Western Australian bail as he is considered a flight risk"

Clubs get spooked fairly easily, as homesick young players tend to leave after their initial 2-year contract is up.

In any case, Brodie is the better option for us. I prefer SOS taking Vic boys and I imagine, given the quality of players available, he'll keep the same strategy as last year.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Oh really? Thats much better. I just thought they needed to have the points.
Well apparently Brisbane are pretty hot on Bowes, so i think they will make a bid for him at #2. From all reports GCS wont let Bowes get away. So fingers crossed we can get Brodie and if we trade Touhy, hopefully we can pinch pick 11 from north and get Scrimshaw.

Makes sense that Brisbane would go after a QLDer if GCS dont match they are more likely to retain Bowes than drafting a Victorian.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Makes sense that Brisbane would go after a QLDer if GCS dont match they are more likely to retain Bowes than drafting a Victorian.

They know GCS will match but and they would be silly to bid because they still have academy kids to pick up later on which GC can bid on. I think they'll just make an agreement not to bid on each other's players.

 

[TerryWallet]

These drafts are really panning out to our advantage if we keep using them smartly.

Last year had high talent talls at the top end and we were able to trade out our tradeable experience to nab it. Weitering, McKay, Curnow, Silvagni. Along with a speculator in Glass-McCasker.

This year has great depth in midfielders and flankers. Hopefully we retain our top end pick and then secure 3 more from say 20 to 50. Get our depth in mids/flankers.

Then the year after has more high quality top enders with numerous talls. By then we should be able to assess the progress of Weitering, McKay, Curnow, Silvagni, Glass-McCasker, Jaksch and draft what we then need in another quality tall. If in fact we do need another tall.