Hot Topic 2016 DRAFT

[Arr0w]

I don't think so, for a player who spends so much time around clearances and contested situations he is going to looked rushed and just throw the ball on boot at times. When he's out in space he's passes generally always hit the target.
I'd say he is a good kick, but not a great kick.

You make a case for when he is in traffic, but unlike other contested ball winners like Setterfield who gets separation before disposing of the ball. Have a look at the footage of Brodie through the Championships again, when in space, his conversion rate is 50/50 in hitting targets, or kicking to a teammates advantage

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Brodie has penetration in his kicking, but really struggles to hit targets on a consistent basis, as well as hitting the scoreboard regularly

This is his TAC Cup Stats Averages

I wouldn't be giving up pick 5 for a guy that kicks at 55.4 % efficiency

Taranto's TAC Cup Stats Averages



Kicking % lower than Brodie. I wonder what the contested stats look like. You'd have to think Brodie was under pressure more often given his role.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Brodie U18 Champs



Taranto U18 Champs

 

[Lace_Out]

Brodie clearly the winner there

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[thylacine60]

not much difference in DE there, ODN - what is a good number anyway? mid seventies considered elite?

 

[Lace_Out]

Brodies DE is a bit higher from a reasonable amount more contested possesions

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[The Old Dark Navy's]

not much difference in DE there, ODN - what is a good number anyway? mid seventies considered elite?

Elite for an inside midfielder going at 45-50% contested, for sure. Check out most of Judd's percentages and Cripps has really had a good one when his efficiency is in the low 70s. For a midfielder to be 33-40% contested, you'd be hoping they are using the ball at 75% or over.

 

[The Bighouse]

Brodie clearly the winner there

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In Clangers...is that not a concern?
CL clangers
C clearances?

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

In Clangers...is that not a concern?
CL clangers
C clearances?

CL is clearances. CG is normally clangers but they have shortened it.

 

[Pafloyul]

Spot on! With our later picks we need tough, uncompromising players with some grunt not outside wingers...we've had enough of them

Do people realise what will be available at those later picks? How many sub Nick Grahams do you think the club can use? It's the time to grab the best of the speculative types before someone else does, they'll take time but it's better than drafting players with a lower 'ceiling' that won't make it anyway. The first two or three picks are the only ones worth taking a sober approach to.

 

[Big Sim is Back]

Absolutely correct it's useless having a player with good character and work ethic but unable to kick accurately and to team's advantage.
As a priority precise foot skills at 5& 25 without questions.

Coming from where he has, would have to say Bolts is on the same page there Rizio. As am I. Which is why I think we should give DVR another year.

And redraft Watson. Just kidding.

 

[Jimmae]

Where are these stats from?

 

[El Topo]

Do people realise what will be available at those later picks? How many sub Nick Grahams do you think the club can use? It's the time to grab the best of the speculative types before someone else does, they'll take time but it's better than drafting players with a lower 'ceiling' that won't make it anyway. The first two or three picks are the only ones worth taking a sober approach to.

On the other hand, WB going for pure footballers with later picks is a big part of why their VFL side is so strong, which in turn has been vital to their recent success.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Where are these stats from?

Footy Prophet

 

[gandaal]

On the other hand, WB going for pure footballers with later picks is a big part of why their VFL side is so strong, which in turn has been vital to their recent success.

While Adelaide hasn't had the ultimate success they've built a successful team on the back of recruiting lots of fat bottomed inside mids.

 

[bigdog43]

What do you guys think of Drew?

He's an inside midfielder that in some ways reminds me of Dunkley. Tall for a midfielder(~190), good at the contest, good hands, average kick(better than Dunkley) and moves very well, long striding.

I think this kid has some real upside. At the moment he looks lanky but with his build l expect him to fill out and be a very strong midfielder.

Pick 25 might be around the mark for this guy. I expect Brodie to be taken by GC at 4 so we might look at a player like drew at 25.

If anyone feels like they know his game quite well let me know what your thoughts are regarding him.


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Love his ability to get his hands free, looks like he'll become something once he hits the gym. Kicking action looks a little suspect to be honest.

 

[ray8182]

Love his ability to get his hands free, looks like he'll become something once he hits the gym. Kicking action looks a little suspect to be honest.

Yep, not much of a ball drop.


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[Old navy]

Taranto's TAC Cup Stats Averages

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Kicking % lower than Brodie. I wonder what the contested stats look like. You'd have to think Brodie was under pressure more often given his role.

I know Dylan Clarke was the 1st ranked player for contested possessions in TAC cup footy averaged close to 17 IIRC.
Drew was 3rd and Taranto 5th.
Not sure why Brodie and Setterfield aren't in the top 5, could be because they played less games.

 

[Arr0w]

Taranto's TAC Cup Stats Averages

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Kicking % lower than Brodie. I wonder what the contested stats look like. You'd have to think Brodie was under pressure more often given his role.

Brodie under more pressure? That is a bit of a fallacy, given that Taranto would have come in for constant close checking as a forward.

I make allowances for guys like Brodie, banging the ball on his boot from a clearance, as I do for forwards snapping at goal under pressure.

Where I don't make allowances is for guys like Brodie, when they have clear air and struggle to hit consistent targets. Taranto rated in the top 5 for clearances behind Clarke and Brodie, not bad for a guy that spends only 50% of his time through the middle.

I am not saying Brodie is not a good footballer, I am saying he does not warrant pick 5 selection given he is only an inside mid, with minimal hurt factor by foot and rarely hits the scoreboard.

Compare that to the likes of a Taranto that has added more strings to his bow and can kick multiple goals in a game

Given what SOS has traded for in the last 2 years, as well as what we picked up in the 2015 draft, I would be surprised if we drafted Brodie at 5

 

[Arr0w]

Brodie U18 Champs

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Taranto U18 Champs

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Brodie's disposal efficiency should be much higher than that when you are comparing it to Taranto, given how high his handball to kick ratio is

 

[RudyBlue]

we cannot take players with disposal issues - we've seen how nigh on impossible it is to retro-fit quality kicking skills - this is one thing the hawks have taught every club

Will Brodie has some of these I feel

 

[FlowersByIrene]

I dont think Taranto's disposal is that much better than Brodie's

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[FlowersByIrene]

If we want good kicks we draft SPS

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[zeeCFC]

Just judge the kicking from how you see it, the stats can be so deceiving.

Brodie isn't a bad kick but he's just average. Taranto isn't elite but I'd say at worst he's tidy. I compare them to Cripps...in that their vision for disposal makes up for the perceived lack of skill.

 

[The Smoking Gun]

If Skittles is goneski (pity as I would have liked to have seen him given a run) then I will be left with only JGM.
I have reservations over both SPS and SPP (only based on what I read here) - is it just me as the word potential just doesn't sit well with me - at 5 I want guaranteed 200 gamers who find their own ball - at 25 sure take potential guns who might win us games

Anyone able to allay my fears over either SPS or SPP?

Fears over what??? No one can guarantee any player will make it to 200 games. I would think both SPS & SPP will be 200 game players subject to injury. Don't know that SPS is the right fit for us at the moment. Given that it's quite likely Whiley will be delisted and unless Boekhorst, Buckley, DVR, Everitt or Tutt have gotten over their phobia of contested ball and have been transformed into inside beasts overnight, our only insurance for Cripps is Rhys Palmer. Probably gives you an idea where our priorities should lie now that we've essentially recruited a spine. Ainsworth, SPS & Taranto are all worthy potential top 5 prospects, but in the short to medium term are they going to provide us with anything Murphy & Gibbs can't if we recruit a couple of genuine inside types???

I really like SPP. A hard-nosed inside mid who also has the running power and enough genuine pace to be able spread from the contest. Already has a tank, a defensive side to his game and can stick a tackle. Is pretty clean by hand or foot and seeks to bring team mates in a better position into the game...seems to always be a purpose/method in the way he uses the ball. Even if it doesn't come off you can see what he's trying to accomplish with the possession and if there's one thing we lack it's players with the ability to assess the play as it unfolds around them. Another thing that makes him a standout from the other midfielders for me is that he generally tries to take the ball forward rather than all this backwards/sideways nonsense. As I wrote elsewhere, I don't think he'd just compliment or assist Cripps, I think he'd absolutely revel being able to play alongside him. IMO SPP is exactly the sort of player we need for sure. Won't be available at pick 25 though and there'll be plenty on this board here who'll be crying a river is SOS takes him with Pick 5. For where our list is at it's SPP or Brodie for me.