Hot Topic 2016 DRAFT

[Old navy]

This is where we have learned, I feel. Learned the hard away admittedly, but we do seem to have learned.

Having said that though, players do need the right environment to thrive in and we just couldn't put that together at the club.
We've largely taken that out of the hands of the older statesmen of the club and priming the young guys to embrace and pass on the new club culture.

It's still going to take a little time though but it looks as though it has a good chance to come about.

The environment these draftees are bought into is critical to there development, can not be understated.
It looks like the club has finally embraced the National Draft, with talk that we may have traded pick 5 this year,
I was starting to really worry that last year was just a one off and that we still hadn't worked it out.
So we look to be doing it the right way this time, building through the draft, getting picks in the right range for the respective draft and having a focus on bringing in more young high end talent from other clubs.
SOS could have potentially help fix some massive drafting wholes in our list from the 2011 draft on wards.
Players like Sumner Lamb Plowman Marchbank and Pickett are all high end talents from drafts that Rogers and Hughes have absolutely butchered.

Really excited about this years group of draftees, think we will get a elite prospect with pick 5 and some very good players with the other 5 picks.

 

[Azul]

Menzel would have been one that people would have been drooling over. Once again a player picked for having a heap of natural footballing talent, but missing some other key qualities needed to make it at AFL level.

Menzel was 'supposed' to have been top 10 except for the LARS surgery. And looking that the players after him, it was a very ordinary field compromised by GWS. Grundy is the standout for mine but we weren't after a ruck.

 

[thylacine60]

I don't recall any of those names being drooled over, pre-draft though.
Maybe Lucas and possibly McCarthy, but that would be it. No-one even knew who Bootsma was......and may care not to remember, either.

That wasn't my point, Harks. We will have the highest of hopes for new players coming in, knowing full well many of them will fail.

 

[Lace_Out]

Starting to warm to Taranto. Looks to have a higher ceiling than Brodie.
Only had his 1st full pre season this year apparently so I think putting him in an AFL environment will see huge growth. Also the No1 ranked player according to champion data. Pretty impressive.

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[1981]

I'd like to think things have changed and now we have better talent identification, player development and overall strategy to building a list

 

[1981]

Starting to warm to Taranto. Looks to have a higher ceiling than Brodie.
Only had his 1st full pre season this year apparently so I think putting him in an AFL environment will see huge growth. Also the No1 ranked player according to champion data. Pretty impressive.

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Agreed

But either way I think we will get talent at five

Brodie will be a good big bodied mid who can also run

Taranto could be a class mid who hits the scoreboard

SPS is the smoothest of the lot with true elite talent

Happy either way

 

[Old navy]

That wasn't my point, Harks. We will have the highest of hopes for new players coming in, knowing full well many of them will fail.

We have been burnt pretty badly over the last few years. Firstly we had Hughes and Rogers selecting the talent
and then a not ready yet Ratten or a past his prime Mick developing them.
Now we have SOS selecting the talent and Bolton developing it. Can only go off what we've seen so far and I think most of us would be pretty happy with last years draftees and players that were traded in.
Us not trading down from pick 5 in this years draft, has really given me genuine hope that SOS really does know what he is doing and the club has finally embraced the draft.

 

[Metalcrusher]

You can have measuring marks, you can have talent scouts, you can have theorists. At the end of the day, the draft is a numbers game. Its a free hit at that years top talent.

The more chances you have to pick from the pot each year, the higher your likely success rate will be in getting a ten + year player.

That being said environment plays a HUGE role in how a player will develop. You can certainly kill a player in a scrub team.

How many players have you seen that get plucked out of successful teams only to see them struggle at their next club because the support base (skill base) is not there?

 

[Pafloyul]

Say it every year.

Draft age is looney tunes. These are under 19 age kids thrown head first into the system. Most get 2 years before the scrap heap.

That's career over before 21.

US NFL system ensures they go through a collegiate system, and aren't drafted until 21.

Will take a mature aged, physically developed player every day of the week at 3rd Round.

It depends on who is there, go ahead and take the next Blaine Boekhorst and leave the next Caleb Daniel to those who think they can develop him - good luck with that one.

 

[HARKER]

We have been burnt pretty badly over the last few years. Firstly we had Hughes and Rogers selecting the talent and then a not ready yet Ratten or a past his prime Mick developing them.
Now we have SOS selecting the talent and Bolton developing it. Can only go off what we've seen so far and I think most of us would be pretty happy with last years draftees and players that were traded in.
Us not trading down from pick 5 in this years draft, has really given me genuine hope that SOS really does know what he is doing and the club has finally embraced the draft.

That is hard to refute and that being the case you can't but arrive to one conclusion and that is that as much as those individuals may have been the issue, how did we end up with them? Answer that question and we'll be one step closer to knowing why we have been as poor as we have.

 

[Toddski]

Who are we all thinking for our second round pick?

 

[Weiterbot23]

Who are we all thinking for our second round pick?

Venables, rumoured to be cruising round schoolies venues refusing breath tests, should slide

 

[Sector 7G]

Venables, rumoured to be cruising round schoolies venues refusing breath tests, should slide

Gee he has gone early. First exam was only on Wednesday last week. Got to love that sort of commitment in a new draftee.

 

[Red Bull]

That is hard to refute and that being the case you can't but arrive to one conclusion and that is that as much as those individuals may have been the issue, how did we end up with them? Answer that question and we'll be one step closer to knowing why we have been as poor as we have.

Done to death mate ...

 

[therubbernub]

That is hard to refute and that being the case you can't but arrive to one conclusion and that is that as much as those individuals may have been the issue, how did we end up with them? Answer that question and we'll be one step closer to knowing why we have been as poor as we have.

How did we end up with bolts and sos. Answer that question and..........

 

[HARKER]

Done to death mate ...

Not until we get our facts right and stop blaming the staff for all of Carltons woes.

People need reminding and the truth deserves to be repeated.

 

[Red Bull]

Not until we get our facts right and stop blaming the staff for all of Carltons woes.

People need reminding and the truth deserves to be repeated.

Done to death mate ...

 

[Doro]

Not until we get our facts right and stop blaming the staff for all of Carltons woes.

People need reminding and the truth deserves to be repeated.

150th anniversary marked the changeover of President and CEO, the decision makers at club level. Also marked the beginning of the club heading in the right direction.

 

[JustaBattler]

We need to get to70K+ members to fix the finances. Once financial issues are resolved - there might be a whole range of better professional Directors that might be willing to join the Board oncfe they realise they aren't personally responsible for getting money through the door. Until that happens there aere a few old dogs on teh Board that will sit there because - Carlton isn't exactly a destination Club for Directors.

 

[Doro]

We need to get to70K+ members to fix the finances. Once financial issues are resolved - there might be a whole range of better professional Directors that might be willing to join the Board oncfe they realise they aren't personally responsible for getting money through the door. Until that happens there aere a few old dogs on teh Board that will sit there because - Carlton isn't exactly a destination Club for Directors.

Yeah, but we need to walk before we run. The first thing that needed to happen was an admission that we had got things very wrong in a lot of ways and an era of change. I still feel the 'big 4' are the ones we need to be most concerned with.

 

[Jimmae]

We need to get to70K+ members to fix the finances. Once financial issues are resolved - there might be a whole range of better professional Directors that might be willing to join the Board oncfe they realise they aren't personally responsible for getting money through the door. Until that happens there aere a few old dogs on teh Board that will sit there because - Carlton isn't exactly a destination Club for Directors.

Trigg's statement regarding Gibbs was strange.

Mate I'm worried you don't know what thread you're in

 

[JustaBattler]

Yeah, but we need to walk before we run. The first thing that needed to happen was an admission that we had got things very wrong in a lot of ways and an era of change. I still feel the 'big 4' are the ones we need to be most concerned with.

There have been admissions of errors and teh need for improvement - there have been few resignations. For what I said above- I have no doubt the President would be looking to improve teh Board - just not as easy as you think to find capable and willing replacements. Carlton is seen as a bit of a battlefield starring the 'beenfactors' who benefact. A professional Club needs willing sponsors and a lot of members - new Directors dont want to be assoxciate with either old benmefactor types OR the responsibility of financial resourcing.

All that said though - the old brigabde has receded in infliuence - just not gone yet. Success in terms of membership and on field performance will fix a lot of things- but yeah it will take time of course.

 

[Weiterbot23]

So this ex-GWS recruiter who we are signing up after his suspension..

1- What was he suspended for?
2- What's his track record like?
3- He's advising SOS on the sly yeah? SOS can't be everywhere

 

[JustaBattler]

Mate I'm worried you don't know what thread you're in

Yeah I didnt quite finish teh point I was trying to make about youth.

My expectations are that the young ones bond and develop themselves as a unit. The less they look to Murphy and Gibbs and Simpson and Kreuzer - the better for teh Club.

I reckon Cripps has already figured this out as has Docherty and they are both playing accordingly. You want Docherty to be bringing on the defensive unit and you want Cripps to be laying down the law in midfield. Someone has to take control of forwards- we are leaderless there- totally - I'd like to see Murphy play 70% in teh forward line - and lead them there.

 

[KohPhi]

Mate I'm worried you don't know what thread you're in

Take it easy on him Jimmae, he's Justabattler!!