Hot Topic 2016 DRAFT

[Pafloyul]

It seems like SPS is the trendy pick 5 for now. I would be disappointed if we went down that route, although I think he is a talented footballer. I am firmly of the belief that you hit the draft with your needs in mind. We just traded in Pickett to play virtually the same role as SPS. What are we lacking? Ready to go midfielders to replace Murphy and Gibbs in coming years. Brodie or Taranto for me. Let's get some reliable guns first to fill gaping midfield gaps

I'm firmly of the opinion that you hit the draft with your 'wants' in mind; needs are hard to keep track of because they are constantly in a state of flux. If you draft who you simply like as players and not have a meltdown regarding how you fit them in the side tomorrow then you find you have fewer needs. This is partly because you are not restricting the talent pool by overlooking players you don't think you can use in the short term. It also means that you have less chance to build up a false picture of a player just because you are desperate to fill a need.

Having said that, I'd prefer a bigger midfielder but that's not a need, that's a want. .

 

[Windhover]

On SPS:

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/wa/a/30748411/halls-creek-teen-tipped-to-become-an-afl-star/#page1

Seems like he's got a great head on his shoulders and said at one point that he'd love to play in Melbourne "the home of footy".

Having Tex and to a degree JP on board in 2017 would be a help, too in terms of helping him transition to a big AFL environment.

I'd still rather Brodie for a few reasons, but would not be disappointed to see this kid running around in Navy Blue.

Good link, if dated. Coming from Halls Creek, there will be no "go home to Perth" factor involved. Perth is further from Halls Creek than Melbourne is from Brisbane.

Initially like you I was thinking Brodie but I am not so sure now. First, we have a real need for a quick, highly skilled outside mid as a replacement for MM in the longer term.

Secondly, we have recruited Pickett, who seems to have some of the same highly skilled quick thinking attributes as SPS. There must be some cloud over Pickett's future having regard to his foot injury so "doubling up" on the player type is not such a problem.

Thirdly, recruiting Pickett and SPS at the same time might help them to learn each other's footy habits and take advantage of them that would give each of them increased value to the team. Or, to paraphrase the old joke, "What's better than one cat on the park?"

Fourthly, having Murphy, SPS and Pickett as outside mids in the same team might present a real problem for opposition sides as it would be impossible to tag all of them.

As against that we obviously need an inside mid to back up Cripps. Despite Cripps having more clearances per game than any other AFL player we still came 13th as a team and despite Cripps having more contested possies than any other player (except, narrowly, Josh Kennedy), we came 16th as a team. Whilst it is true we did better (132.4 ave) than the Hawks (18th with 130.5 ave) on contested poss, it should be noted the top 5 teams for CP were Syd (163.6), Crows (152.2), Bulldogs (150.5) GWS (150.2) and Geel (149), a pretty good predictor for their final ladder positions.

So no doubt Brodie would be very useful. But, maybe, as the draft is predicted to be deep for mids, we can pick up Drew or Clarke with later picks to provide the extra inside mids we need. Also, I can't help thinking that the bull inside mids generally are not highly regarded in the draft because their "skills", winning contested ball, are not so well appreciated at the under age level. Think - Priddis, Sam Mitchell, Swan as later picks/rookies who fit that mould. Cripps was rated by most "experts" as around a pick 30 in most phantom drafts until we announced we would take him with our first pick.

Frankly, I don't know the answer but it is an interesting question if Brodie and SPS are both still available to us with pick 5.

 

[HARKER]

Hayward is a gun. Wish he was there at 27 odd.

I'm genuinely torn between Brodie Taranto and SPS for our first. I've never been this torn about a pick ever.

Either way we are getting a very good footballer. The ensuing picks will be also interesting to watch.

I like Allison, Hayward, Zac Fisher, Bolton.

Then you've forgotten. Many were wanting Lennon at our #13 in 2013. God bless Richmond.

 

[Blue and Silver]

Inside mid types go pretty deep in this draft.

Players like Bunker, Fisher, Graham, Poholoke, Scharenberg seem likely to make into the third round.

 

[Jimmae]

Reckon we are much more likely to take SPS than Brodie. But keep an eye out for a late charge up the charts by Will Hayward

To pick 5?? I'd riot.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Thats true but surely that was a fluke....

Rogers and Hughes liked selecting WA first rounders and that worked out once (maybe twice if you count Yarran)

It was between McCarthy and Cripps with us really needing a KPF. you can't call that a fluke.
I may be on my own but I actually don't mind what Rogers. He didn't have any of the freedom that SOS has had and if he had of bought in Laverde instead of Boek then he probably still should have a job.
Still he didn't and needed moving on

 

[FlowersByIrene]

If we take SPS, Clarke, Drew, SPP should all be looked at with #25

The inside outsid mix will work well.

It was always the case that we could get a better combo of inside/outside by going the outside first and inside second, because outside types are hard to find later in the draft... but my question always was. Is Brodie good enough to justify going thr othet way? I think he is. But i'm just as happy with SPS.

Personal ratings have changed a bit in the last few weeks;

1. McLuggage
2. McGrath
3. Brodie
4. Setterfield (A)
5. SPS
6. Taranto
7. Scrimshaw
8. Bowes (A)
9. Ainsworth
10. Perryman (A)

Regardless... we'll get a good player at #5. This is an elite top end. Wish we had of traded our 2017 1st to GC for #6 and #22, then we could have taken Brodie as the inside standout and one of SPS/Scrimshaw/Taranto for the complementing outside game (although Taranto isnt that outside, just kicks goals)

Brodie + SPS would have been the dream

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[FlowersByIrene]

Then you've forgotten. Many were wanting Lennon at our #13 in 2013. God bless Richmond.

The poisonous "Judd-like" comparison was always bandied around with Lennon wasnt it? Or was that Freeman? Or both?

 

[Windhover]

Oh, and another thing in favour of SPS is that it seems from his highlight reel he is pretty adept at winning contested possies/clearances.

It is a mistake to think that an inside mid has to be built like Cripps or Kennedy to accumulate stats. Lachie Neale came 3rd in clearances and CPs and is 176 cm, 79 kgs. SPS at 181 cm would tower over him.

 

[Lace_Out]

I don't see how 5 cm allows you to tower over anything to be honest.

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[Toddski]

Brodie is such a bull though. Has wheels as well, he's faster than Taranto.

I really cant choose.

We speak of the inside mids like Clarke and scharenberg but they arent beasts like brodie and they have average disposal.

Really do wish we had an extra pick inside 20.

Brodie and Florent

OR

Taranto Scrimshaw

Shame.

 

[ferrisb]

Exactly. Imagine if WCE passed on Judd for fear he might want to go home. They got 6 great years from Juddy and then some bloke called Kennedy and #3 in a trade.

I liked your post (it was a good point), but I also disagree with it.

Judd turned out to be the best player in the comp (at the time he switched clubs). So WCE extracted top value from him. He was the exception, not the rule.

In most cases, when one of your players wants to go home, you're going to get less for him than what his true value is.

In theory, Vic clubs have the most to risk by drafting out-of-towners, as there are fewer suitors in a go-home situation.

 

[zeeCFC]

Reckon we are much more likely to take SPS than Brodie. But keep an eye out for a late charge up the charts by Will Hayward

Thanks ep, this is definitely the impression I got to with the Brodie/Taranto talk while forgetting SPS.

The Hayward tidbit is interesting. He does look like an explosive sort of player and a real game changer. Pick 5 would need a brave recruiter.

 

[HARKER]

Brodie is such a bull though. Has wheels as well, he's faster than Taranto.

I really cant choose.

We speak of the inside mids like Clarke and scharenberg but they arent beasts like brodie and they have average disposal.

Really do wish we had an extra pick inside 20.

Brodie and Florent

OR

Taranto Scrimshaw

Shame.

You won't have to.....I won't have to.....no-one here will need to do so.

Must be a pretty stressful time for the guys and when there are 4 to 5 mouths, there would likely be disagreement....albeit respectful disagreement.

I just want the players that will gel with the coach, the playing group and the club as a whole........oh, and they have to play football well.

 

[Arr0w]

Good link, if dated. Coming from Halls Creek, there will be no "go home to Perth" factor involved. Perth is further from Halls Creek than Melbourne is from Brisbane.

Initially like you I was thinking Brodie but I am not so sure now. First, we have a real need for a quick, highly skilled outside mid as a replacement for MM in the longer term.

Secondly, we have recruited Pickett, who seems to have some of the same highly skilled quick thinking attributes as SPS. There must be some cloud over Pickett's future having regard to his foot injury so "doubling up" on the player type is not such a problem.

Thirdly, recruiting Pickett and SPS at the same time might help them to learn each other's footy habits and take advantage of them that would give each of them increased value to the team. Or, to paraphrase the old joke, "What's better than one cat on the park?"

Fourthly, having Murphy, SPS and Pickett as outside mids in the same team might present a real problem for opposition sides as it would be impossible to tag all of them.

As against that we obviously need an inside mid to back up Cripps. Despite Cripps having more clearances per game than any other AFL player we still came 13th as a team and despite Cripps having more contested possies than any other player (except, narrowly, Josh Kennedy), we came 16th as a team. Whilst it is true we did better (132.4 ave) than the Hawks (18th with 130.5 ave) on contested poss, it should be noted the top 5 teams for CP were Syd (163.6), Crows (152.2), Bulldogs (150.5) GWS (150.2) and Geel (149), a pretty good predictor for their final ladder positions.

So no doubt Brodie would be very useful. But, maybe, as the draft is predicted to be deep for mids, we can pick up Drew or Clarke with later picks to provide the extra inside mids we need. Also, I can't help thinking that the bull inside mids generally are not highly regarded in the draft because their "skills", winning contested ball, are not so well appreciated at the under age level. Think - Priddis, Sam Mitchell, Swan as later picks/rookies who fit that mould. Cripps was rated by most "experts" as around a pick 30 in most phantom drafts until we announced we would take him with our first pick.

Frankly, I don't know the answer but it is an interesting question if Brodie and SPS are both still available to us with pick 5.

You have made some great points.

I still believe that it could come down to either SPS or Taranto. Either brings different attributes.

In terms of pure inside mids, your are right, generally they are taken later in the draft due to their average foot skills.

If we target best available with each pick, I am sure we will find a position for them given the overall lack of quality on our list

 

[SABlue]

Brodie is such a bull though. Has wheels as well, he's faster than Taranto.

I really cant choose.

We speak of the inside mids like Clarke and scharenberg but they arent beasts like brodie and they have average disposal.

Really do wish we had an extra pick inside 20.

Brodie and Florent

OR

Taranto Scrimshaw

Shame.

I really don't mind. My preference is Taranto because seems have time and better ball user than Brodie. Inside mid who finds space in congestion by standing still.

 

[Toddski]

You won't have to.....I won't have to.....no-one here will need to do so.

Must be a pretty stressful time for the guys and when there are 4 to 5 mouths, there would likely be disagreement....albeit respectful disagreement.

I just want the players that will gel with the coach, the playing group and the club as a whole........oh, and they have to play football well.

This is true.

I wonder if that geelong assistant recruiter had anything to do with our cripps selection a few years back. We never pick talent lol so it can't have been a Rogers initiative.

 

[Aphrodite]

Sam Powell-Pepper

Video ........

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2016-11-04/tomorrows-heroes-sam-powellpepper

 

[HARKER]

I wonder if that geelong assistant recruiter had anything to do with our cripps selection a few years back. We never pick talent lol so it can't have been a Rogers initiative.

There's a story behind that, you may already know, but I have no proof of it being true.

 

[HARKER]

I'm really looking forward to this draft and probably even moreso than last year.

I couldn't help feeling a little sense of loss vs gain last year, although it's now clear we won by a mile.

This year though, we hit our targets and still hold our first two picks........and then even bought back into the latter rounds.

 

[Toddski]

There's a story behind that, you may already know, but I have no proof of it being true.

Wasn't there a dispute?

 

[Beer n Skittles]

There's a story behind that, you may already know, but I have no proof of it being true.

Jordan quit because of the Cripps pick?

 

[RudyBlue]

Oh, and another thing in favour of SPS is that it seems from his highlight reel he is pretty adept at winning contested possies/clearances.

It is a mistake to think that an inside mid has to be built like Cripps or Kennedy to accumulate stats. Lachie Neale came 3rd in clearances and CPs and is 176 cm, 79 kgs. SPS at 181 cm would tower over him.

Great point.

If you look at Daniel Wells, he actually has very good inside numbers, despite the perception as an outside mid. Similarly, players like the Bont and Pendlebury don't really bash and crash in the clinches, but can still rack up large clearance and CP numbers.

I guess it's more to do with their clean hands, vision and composure. Can work through traffic and put themselves under pressure other mids can't handle.

 

[PumpyChowdown]

Sam Powell-Pepper

Video ........

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2016-11-04/tomorrows-heroes-sam-powellpepper

Want! Dusty Martin clone by the looks of things. He should be there or thereabouts for our second.

 

[Foucault1989]

I'm firmly of the opinion that you hit the draft with your 'wants' in mind; needs are hard to keep track of because they are constantly in a state of flux. If you draft who you simply like as players and not have a meltdown regarding how you fit them in the side tomorrow then you find you have fewer needs. This is partly because you are not restricting the talent pool by overlooking players you don't think you can use in the short term. It also means that you have less chance to build up a false picture of a player just because you are desperate to fill a need.

Having said that, I'd prefer a bigger midfielder but that's not a need, that's a want. .

Wants and needs are not mutually exclusive. you want a particular type of player because you need to fill a hole on your list. If I'm SOS I want a big bodied mid who has an inside outside game. I think either Brodie or Taranto fulfills this want/need.