Analysis 2016 Draft...

[Scorpus]

Oh **** I just realized I have something to attend on draft night. Wanted to watch live this year for once

 

[Jack is Back]

I believe that our list is in a lot better shape than many nervous nelly posters acknowledge.

Despite a youngish list profile we have 30 players who have AFL experience. IMHO Wigg and Dear are ready to go and Doedee is not far away.
Our rookie list is very strong. Beech and Geenwood will also push for an AFL game this year and Keath is also not without a chance. The only player who I would be surprised to see in the AFL this year is Paul Hunter (and he is an upgrade on Lowden and Graham).

I would like to see us have a 38/6/2 combination or 39/5/2. This would leave a spot or 2 available to upgrade one or more rookies if their form demands this. I do not see any value in selecting a 25 years + recycled player. Loading up with rookies also provides more flexibility for next year's trade and draft period. We can afford to take a longer term approach with our draft picks although I would like to see our pick 13 (or is it 16) get a taste next year.

 

[marty36]

Maybe? ......but IMO he has the biggest upside of all our Rookies .....if i was the club, i'd see how both players progressed / developed over the pre-season ......but the club won't have that luxury, as it will need to upgrade a rookie or go to the draft within 16 days .....Damn!

Rookies have saved our arse, look in the Top 22 who were rookies JJ, Hartigan, Cameron, Jacobs, Laird

Think I might be more interested in the Rookie draft than the National

 

[JPetro83]

Has Clem Smith found a home yet? I was interested in him during his draft but haven't really followed his career. I know he's a WA lad with pace. Might be worth a crack on the rookie list

No he hasn't. 2nd period opens today.. I really hope we give a player a chance

 

[MRB37]

The question is that we don't need a permanent medium forward .......we need a forward who can go thru the midfield ......does Beech have enough midfield nous, tricks, and pace?

We play him on the wing a lot in the SANFL, so I guess that's where they'll see him in the AFL. Speed would be my only worry there. I think having a guy of his size and marking ability would be a plus though.

 

[tinman]

According to Vader list lodgement for rookie upgrades was two weeks ago when we added O'Brien and re-contratced Beech, Greenwood, Keath to the Rookie list. So it appears we are looking at using that pick 89 or going to the pre-season draft or playing one short on the list
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I wonder if there was anyone out of contract we tried to trade for and couldn't agree a trade? Is there an out of contract player we may pick up through the PSD?

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Rookies have saved our arse, look in the Top 22 who were rookies JJ, Hartigan, Cameron, Jacobs, Laird

Think I might be more interested in the Rookie draft than the National

Know exactly what your saying ......but never understood picking up rookies that have been overlooked in the National draft ......it still puzzles me?

 

[Pdub]

SEN are saying Carlton could take Will Hayward at pick 5, yet he's said to be a player that we aren't even keen on if he is still available at pick 13.

Imagine if Carlton take a kid with pick 5 that they could have taken with pick 13.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

We play him on the wing a lot in the SANFL, so I guess that's where they'll see him in the AFL. Speed would be my only worry there. I think having a guy of his size and marking ability would be a plus though.

Beech won't replace Atkins, Seedsman, Cameron, or Milera as potential wingmen this year ......and sorry, i forgot Knight as well

Nah if he's to make it, it'll have to be as a forward / mid ......or potentially as a HB

 

[Bring back Bas]

I would like to see us have a 38/6/2 combination or 39/5/2. This would leave a spot or 2 available to upgrade one or more rookies if their form demands this. I do not see any value in selecting a 25 years + recycled player. Loading up with rookies also provides more flexibility for next year's trade and draft period. We can afford to take a longer term approach with our draft picks although I would like to see our pick 13 (or is it 16) get a taste next year.

I am of the opinion that you only upgrade rookies if and when you need to, for instance their allowed time on the rookie list is up or they have received an offer from another club and we need to upgrade the player in order to keep him. I understand why you would want to have flexibility with the rookie list given that we have 3 rookie listed players who have genuine claims to be playing in round 1 and we are going to be chasing a premiership next season. But by passing with our late draft pick(s) in favour of the rookie draft we are foregoing drafting more highly rated players. I think that we should be aiming to maximise the amount of talent on our combined list and only upgrading a rookie if he is clearly best 22 (which none are) or the remaining draftees are not draftable (which sounds unlikely this year).

 

[Jeffcrowe]

SEN are saying Carlton could take Will Hayward at pick 5, yet he's said to be a player that we aren't even keen on if he is still available at pick 13.

Imagine if Carlton take a kid with pick 5 that they could have taken with pick 13.

That could easily happen and happens every year

The draft ends up so much different to the phantoms

Guys like doedee for example

Hayward wasn't thought of in 1st round calculations until he dominated some finals , played well in all stars game then ran a 2.93 sec 20m sprint at combine

He could easily go top 5 , there will be others eg perhaps Brodie will be available at 13 and we may not take him

 

[marty36]

That could easily happen and happens every year

The draft ends up so much different to the phantoms

Guys like doedee for example

Hayward wasn't thought of in 1st round calculations until he dominated some finals , played well in all stars game then ran a 2.93 sec 20m sprint at combine

He could easily go top 5 , there will be others eg perhaps Brodie will be available at 13 and we may not take him

It didnt last year the Phantoms were spot on up until Doedee at 17

 

[Danger in Texas]

SEN are saying Carlton could take Will Hayward at pick 5, yet he's said to be a player that we aren't even keen on if he is still available at pick 13.

Imagine if Carlton take a kid with pick 5 that they could have taken with pick 13.

Different type of player obviously, but I'm getting a massive Clayton Oliver vibe about Hayward.

Think 5 is a bit of a reach for him though (unlike Oliver going high last year), still some risk about him at this stage. Ceiling is massive, though.

 

[MRB37]

It didnt last year the Phantoms were spot on up until Doedee at 17

Clayton Oliver was a mid 20's pick for the majority of the year until Melbourne took him top 5.

 

[CrowinNT]

SEN are saying Carlton could take Will Hayward at pick 5, yet he's said to be a player that we aren't even keen on if he is still available at pick 13.

Imagine if Carlton take a kid with pick 5 that they could have taken with pick 13.

Hayward might have a future "go home" factor

 

[Bicks]

At this stage, I'm predicting 30-40 for Jonty. Is the type that may slide, though

I agree and Port the most likely.

 

[Bicks]

Has Clem Smith found a home yet? I was interested in him during his draft but haven't really followed his career. I know he's a WA lad with pace. Might be worth a crack on the rookie list

Pass..
Too much baggage, can't get his head around what it takes to be a professional full time AFL player....

 

[Pugsley]

I don't know but please don't rattle Marty's cage

I just can't shake this image [emoji33]

 

[WaynesWorld19]

SEN are saying Carlton could take Will Hayward at pick 5, yet he's said to be a player that we aren't even keen on if he is still available at pick 13.

Imagine if Carlton take a kid with pick 5 that they could have taken with pick 13.

Making my Phantom Draft i posted a couple of weeks ago look ok ? .....got criticized on the Hayward at #9 to Sydney

 

[Bicks]

Danger in Texas
Hope this is not that Brad Crouch type injury, sounds suspiciously like it might be because he did the medical testing during the recent Combine yet the clubs are requesting another look??

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-11-...ts-face-special-medical-assessment-from-clubs

Possible top-20 pick Alex Witherden will also attend after being sidelined by a broken leg since May, while Daniel Venables' foot injury late in the season has seen some clubs ask for him to attend to get an update.

 

[JimmyTheScoop]

Beech won't replace Atkins, Seedsman, Cameron, or Milera as potential wingmen this year ......and sorry, i forgot Knight as well

Nah if he's to make it, it'll have to be as a forward / mid ......or potentially as a HB

Yeah, I find it hard to see where Beech fits in, but he appears to be well liked by the coaching group for his playing ability. Maybe I just haven't seen it yet.


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[JimmyTheScoop]

Know exactly what your saying ......but never understood picking up rookies that have been overlooked in the National draft ......it still puzzles me?

While we have late picks, why don't we just target the 'top rookie picks'. We do have a great record there.


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[JimmyTheScoop]

Danger in Texas
Hope this is not that Brad Crouch type injury, sounds suspiciously like it might be because he did the medical testing during the recent Combine yet the clubs are requesting another look??

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-11-...ts-face-special-medical-assessment-from-clubs

Possible top-20 pick Alex Witherden will also attend after being sidelined by a broken leg since May, while Daniel Venables' foot injury late in the season has seen some clubs ask for him to attend to get an update.

Will see if I can get an update on Venables.


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[Danger in Texas]

Danger in Texas
Hope this is not that Brad Crouch type injury, sounds suspiciously like it might be because he did the medical testing during the recent Combine yet the clubs are requesting another look??

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-11-...ts-face-special-medical-assessment-from-clubs

Possible top-20 pick Alex Witherden will also attend after being sidelined by a broken leg since May, while Daniel Venables' foot injury late in the season has seen some clubs ask for him to attend to get an update.

I reckon it's something clubs would definitely want to be cautious of, given how severe some foot injuries can be (particularly re-occurences of them), however I wouldn't read a heap into it at this stage.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Yeah, I find it hard to see where Beech fits in, but he appears to be well liked by the coaching group for his playing ability. Maybe I just haven't seen it yet.


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I just have a query on his pace ? .......is he slow or average pace?

Think he's still a good utility to have, but just seems in that Jarrod Lyons bracket of players